Audience: Master, first of all, what are the requirements to incarnate the Christ?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, I find this question quite interesting. There is more to it than “requirements.” Unquestionably, it is necessary to have built the existential superior bodies of the Being and to be working, feverishly, in the dissolution of the animal "ego." Only when one has already built the superior existential bodies of the Being can one afford to receive the Venustic Initiation. Obviously, with the Venustic Initiation the incarnation of the Intimate Christ is achieved in the heart of the human being. That is all!
Audience: Thank you very much, master. The other question is: What does it take to incarnate the Innermost or Inner Master?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, there is something that is convenient to be known perfectly well, which is that the Being and the "ego" are incompatible! No one can have the complete manifestation of the Innermost or the Being, or whatever we want to call it, within ourselves, here and now, if that one has the "ego" alive. Thus, any particular aspirant may have received the eight great initiations, yet if he has "ego," his Being cannot express through him. And, that is it! Let this be understood with an complete clarity!
Audience: Thank you, master... Does the "hidden name" belong to the Innermost or to the bodhisattva?
Samael Aun Weor: In general, the "hidden name" is of the Being... of the Being, of the Being, and of the Being; keep in mind that the Being is the Being, and the reason for the Being to be, is to be the same Being.
Audience: When Christ is incarnated, who incarnates him? When is the Christ incarnated, and who embodies it?
Samael Aun Weor: It has been said that true, authentic humans embody it. By “true humans” is understood those who possess the superior existential bodies of the Being. And, they incarnate it when they receive the Venustic Initiation, that is, the Initiation of Tiphereth...
Unquestionably, many do not understand these subject matters.
Obviously, no one could receive the intimate Christ if one does not have a "temple" established for him; that "temple" is formed, I repeat, by the superior existential bodies of the Being. Those who possess such bodies are real humans.
The Venustic Initiation is for “humans,” not for “intellectual animals.” Only humans can incarnate the intimate Christ. This on the condition of working, feverishly, in the dissolution of the "ego." Then he comes, really, to help us. He comes to help us in the elimination of the inhuman elements that we carry inside. Christ is born in a "manger" or "stable of Bethlehem." That "manger," that "stable," is nothing but simply the same human, because when Christ incarnates in us we still possess those inhuman elements of desire, and he has to eliminate those elements. As Christ removes those elements and sub-elements, he grows, develops, until he becomes a human being. When he becomes a real human, he preaches the Word, teaches. His Word resonates everywhere... He must live the Cosmic Drama within us, here and now. He must be born in us, grow, develop, become human, and then he has to live the whole drama of the via crucis, and finally die and rise again. Uselessly Christ will be born in Bethlehem if he is not born in our hearts too. He will uselessly die and rise again in the Holy Land, if he does not die and rise again in us, too. That is a synthesis, abbreviated, because writing about this means writing huge volumes. I am speaking briefly, briefly...
Audience: Master, there is concern regarding devolution: there are many who understand that their ego devolves in the animal, vegetable, and mineral kingdoms. Although a recent clarification of yours, indicates that humanoid waves, after fulfilling their 108 lives, devolve directly in the infernal worlds taking animaloid, vegetaloid and mineraloid characteristics. But many people reject this teaching alleging, they say, that it is not written, or that nobody has said anything about it before. We want you to give us a clarification on that particular aspect.
Samael Aun Weor: People reject the teaching of the transmigration of souls (taught by Pythagoras, and by Lord Krishna in India, a thousand years before Jesus Christ), simply because they are accustomed to the evolving theories of the pseudo-esoteric, pseudo-occultist schools of this dark age of Kali Yuga. They are not accustomed to hearing about this, but to hearing about the repetitive dogma of evolution every day, without modification; they are accustomed to a multitude of sophisms of distraction, etc., and when one speaks to them about the "transmigration of souls" they are scandalized, because the aforementioned schools do not teach this doctrine. But since our duty is to speak the truth and nothing but the truth, we have no problem uncovering the veil. So, what I am saying has vast documentation in the teachings of Lord Krishna in India, and in the "doctrine of metempsychosis" taught by Pythagoras in Greece. What we are saying has documentation also in many archaic schools of antiquity. We are not affirming something a priori, we are not saying empirical things. What we say has, I repeat, very serious documentation.
The avatar of India, the great Krishna, was not mistaken, since he is an avatar, a christified human being, and taught this doctrine for the good of humanity. Pythagoras was not wrong either when he taught the doctrine of metempsychosis in Greece. As far as I am concerned, I am teaching what I know, what I have experienced; I am not repeating what others said. The doctrine they preached has been experienced by me, and very well experienced. Within me is that one who is the Kalki Avatar of the age of Aquarius. He knows the transmigration of souls, not by theories, or because others say, but by direct, lived experience. In addition, since I have my consciousness awake, I can affirm what I have lived through different eternities. And that’s it!
Audience: So, master, when souls as human beings fulfill their lives cycle, they directly devolve? Do they not pass to the animal, vegetable, and mineral, physically?
Samael Aun Weor: The souls that fulfilled their 108 existences devolve within the bowels of the Earth; they devolve going through animaloid, vegetaloid and mineraloid states. In the ninth sphere they disintegrate, they are reduced to cosmic dust; then, at that point, those souls, already devoid of the ego — that is, after having their animal ego absolutely disintegrated — emerge to begin new evolving processes, which must begin at the mineral, continue with the vegetable, continue with the animal, until reconquering the humanoid state that once they lost. Upon returning to the humanoid state, these souls are assigned, again, 108 existences. Thus, obviously, the purpose of the descent into the infernal worlds is to liberate precisely the soul, the Essence, the consciousness that is locked, stuffed, bottled up within all the psychic aggregates that in themselves constitute the ego. If those aggregates did not disintegrate, the soul cannot be released. Thus, the great law has arranged to establish within each planet the submerged mineral world, so that the souls there can be released, can be rescued, so that the psychic material can be restored, so the psychic material, the soul itself, can escape from the psychic aggregates by disintegrating them in the ninth sphere.
There are two ways to release consciousness (soul). The first one is to destroy the psychic aggregates right here and now. We can do that by working on ourselves, daily, from moment to moment, from instant to instant. And the other, if we are not able to disintegrate the psychic aggregates [during our lifetime], then for that purpose the cosmic consciousness has arranged the infernal worlds. There, among the bowels of the infernal worlds, Nature takes the responsibility of disintegrating those aggregates through its internal centrifugal forces. Once those aggregates are disintegrated, the consciousness (the soul) is free, restored, returned to the state of innocence, its innocence is restored, and enters Eden in order to initiate new evolving processes that will restart at the mineral...
Audience: Well, master, thank you very much. This clarification is necessary because the student has always believed that after 108 lives, the human being passes to become a dog, passes to become a mouse, passes to become a spider, and all that series of animals that are considered ugly, that is, who live here on the surface, within the evolutionary stages; that confusion exists in many students, in a good amount, so we thank you for this clarification. Now, there is a concern regarding a Gnostic brother who through his meditations and practices he has contacted a certain, we do not know, whether positive or negative entity – but that entity claims to be "the king of the seven seas " who informs him, tells him, guides him, and helps him to perform healings and things of the sort. We would like you, master, to clarify this for us.
Samael Aun Weor: Well, everyone can afford to think as they please. The harsh reality of the facts is that, as long as one does not have the consciousness awake, objectified, as long as the consciousness has not been freed from the psychic aggregates, then one cannot be a competent investigator of life in the superior worlds, and nothing can one know about the Being, about reality, about divinity, etc... First of all, the absolute disintegration of the various inhuman elements that we carry within ourselves is necessary. Once that is achieved, the consciousness is objectified; thus, when that is achieved, then, it is truly possible to experience reality; once that is achieved, one becomes a competent investigator of life in the superior worlds. There is a lot of subjectivism out there. Many people who, without having destroyed the "ego," are already “investigators,” they are already “mahatmas,” they are already in communication with the gods, etc. and many other things of the sort... they are only wretched people with subjective psyches, who unfortunately exist.
Audience: What can you tell us about "the king of the seven seas"?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, then, what is that about "the king of the seven seas"! From where do they get those things? The oceans are populated by millions of atomic consciousnesses, and that's it! There are also nereids in the vast sea, undines, sirens; that's what Franz Hartmann speaks about in his book entitled “The Elementals.” Things like "the king of the seven seas" are nonsensical. Let's talk about the devas. Of those there are many in all the seas. Water creatures abound in heaps even in the rivers, in the lagoons. So, let us be serious in research, but one cannot be serious if one has not objectified one’s own consciousness.
Audience: Will it be an entity that name itself like that?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, that doesn't interest me. Indeed... these are such subjective things that, frankly, I am not interested in dealing with those things.
Audience: Some people have said there are children currently being born from transmutation; but I think to myself: if there is sexual union of transmutation without spilling, then what can these children be called? Of chastity?
Samael Aun Weor: Do you know that word "chastity" is very demanding? Analyze it: "chas – ti – ty." It is difficult to find that. I believe that not even the most exalted mahatmas in heaven have chastity. Reaching absolute chastity is very difficult. You need to have achieved Buddhist annihilation [complete elimination of all defects]. People can appear to be very chaste here in this physical world, living according to all the rules of chastity, ceaselessly transmute the sacred sperm into creative energy, etc., and many other disciplines, but not even for that is someone chaste; when submitted to tests in the internal worlds, that is, test them in the subconsciousness, in the preconsciousness, in the infra-consciousness, in the unconsciousness, and you will see that they fail. It is very nice that someone transmutes — extraordinary, wonderful, and praiseworthy, because the Great Work is done along that path. But from there to the state of being chaste, there is a great difference! Yes there is, and very great. Even when the holiest saints are submitted to trials in the 49 regions of the subconsciousness, to see if they are chaste? I am sure that they are not chaste. They could even be chaste in 48 regions of the subconsciousness, but in 49th they would fail.
Audience: So, how would these children being born from not spilling the seed be named?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, simply, these are selected zoosperms. And that's it! It is clear that if the vessel of Hermes Trismegistus, the "triple great god ibis of Thoth" is not spilled, any mature zoosperm can escape from the sexual endocrine glands to fertilize... but no, no, no, no, that of becoming chaste, that is very difficult. I already told you that even the greatest saints in heaven who believe themselves to be chaste... test them to see. Put them to the test in the 49 regions of the subconsciousness... in a few regions they may be chaste, but not in all regions.
Audience: Then, they couldn't be called "children of transmutation"?
Samael Aun Weor: Call them whatever you want to call them... That does not matter! Call them "children," and the thing is over. Why are we so puffed up? Just because a little child was engendered without the need to spill the class of Hermes, is that child already a superhuman or a god, or what? No! He is just a "neighbor's child" like any other. That is all! We love ourselves too much, and we think that when a child is born without the need to spill the glass of Hermes, he is already a god. Why? Well, because of self-love, self esteem, that we also extend to the child. If we are nothing but wretched fools... yet, we think that the child will be that which we could not be. Self esteem, and that's it! This is because we love ourselves too much.
Samael Aun Weor: Self-esteem. The "I" of self-love is very developed in everyone. We have all been built in accordance to self-esteem. Thus, all of that "love" that we say we feel to our fellowmen, or to our friends, or to our brothers, or to the woman or to the children, is nothing else than an extension of self-love. And that's it! Meaning, we all experience life extremely wrong, we never see ourselves as we really are. We always think that we are what we are not. And even if we say that we are, and we are, and we are, we will never be more than what we are, because we are always what we are...
Audience: Very well, we thank the venerable master for his answers to these very disturbing questions.
Samael Aun Weor: ...but not like a Bon monk [Tibetan shaman] with... bones and a bloody dagger in the right hand... "this is a good reception!" How do you like that kind of Bon reception?
Audience: A little gloomy.
Samael Aun Weor: What?
Audience: A little macabre ...
Samael Aun Weor: Well, macabre!
Audience: Anyone would think that is something scary.
Samael Aun Weor: Well, of course! In that reception, the Bon monk asks the neophyte, he asks him,- "Well, what do you want? Do you want adepthood or do you want to move away from this universe?" "Master (says the neophyte), what I want is to no longer return to this world, I want to leave and never return." “Okay, is that what you want?" “Yes, that's what I want." "Well then, pronounce this word," and the Bon monk gives the neophyte a mantra. Of course, the neophyte pronounces the mantra, and when he pronounces it, he falls instantly dead. The Bon monks disembody him right there. Then, already disembodied, in the internal worlds they instruct him on the disintegration of the "ego." And with the help of the Divine Mother Kundalini, he disintegrates the "ego" within the internal worlds. Thus, the day that he achieves the disintegration of the "ego" there, in the internal worlds, then the Essence is free, transformed into what it is: an elemental of Nature (because this is what it is); and as an elemental he submerges within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father forever. The neophyte immerses himself as an elemental, as a simple elemental of Nature.
Audience: Master, what if he chooses the adepthood?
Samael Aun Weor: If he chooses the adepthood, then they take him to a hut over there on the mountain, there he has to sleep. At midnight the neophyte hears macabre trumpets (those trumpets are made from bones of the dead). A Master Bon approaches and advises him to "not follow that path, which is very dangerous"; that it is better if he resolves to follow the path, for example, of the Nirvanic Spiral Path, because they have certain paradises, etc. So, they advise him to not continue along the Straight Path, which is more bitter than gall... But if the neophyte insists on adepthood and the Straight Path that leads to the Absolute, then they invoke his "I’s” for him right there. They have formulas to physically materialize all of his own "I's" right there. So, they materialize physically, all of the "I's." And they leave him there, alone in the hut, fighting with all those "I’s." If he manages to survive (which you have to know if he can do it), he would most likely die, right ?, hanged, or tortured, or whatever..., then if he lives to tell the story to his grandchildren - then he already knows his "I’s," he already knows that he has to disintegrate them, and how he has to work in order to make them dust.
Audience: Master, and with what does the adept defend himself?
Samael Aun Weor: With his faith and consciousness, nothing more...
Audience: Nothing physical?
Samael Aun Weor: Nothing!
Audience: Conjurations… nothing?
Samael Aun Weor: If he knows them, well, pray everything that he knows. He has no other choice.
Audience: And then they physically attack him?
Samael Aun Weor: Physically! Because they physically materialize them for him...
Audience: So they launch themselves on him and attack him?
Samael Aun Weor: Of course, because they materialize; all his demons, right there...
Audience: So, it wouldn't be bad to know Kung-Fu and Karate.
Another from the audience: Uuuhh, the master says that what they know there, in those places, what they know is Judo...
Samael Aun Weor: ...formulas, and then sexual magic (sexual magic is taught throughout Tantra), that comes later: all tantric systems and all the science of tantras. They teach all tantras, sexual magic. After all, then, if you don't have a priestess or wife, then they bring him one once and for all: "Here you have her, so that you can work!" Then the disciple goes to work in the Ninth Sphere; but if he spills the Hermes Cup, behold... (Samael Aun Weor makes the gesture of running his index finger around his neck): Fuisshh! They give him "chicharrón" at once, they don't forgive him for having made fun of them; because that is considered disrespectful to the temple and to them.
Audience: Master, do you know the case of any adept who has passed that test?
Samael Aun Weor: No... a few Bons, and if you count them with the fingers of one hand, there are plenty of fingers left...
Audience: And why do they use that style. Master?
Samael Aun Weor: They follow very ancient customs. So this is how they are: drastic, violent, since ancient times this is how they have always been like that.
Audience: Are they fully realized masters?
Samael Aun Weor: But they are violent. They don't know about "lukewarm waters" [ie. they only know extremes]. There are no considerations for anyone. In a Bon Buddhist monastery, one is defined by life or death. They do not know middle terms; they don't know another way. They keep archaic systems and don't care anymore, nor do they want to know more. This is why Madam Blavatsky confused them with black magicians. She called them "black magicians." No, it is not that they are "black.".. No, they are not "black," what happens is that they are violent...
Samael Aun Weor: Drastic, radical; with them there are no "warm water cloths" that are worthwhile.
Audience: It is their idiosyncrasy.
Samael Aun Weor: That is their way of being and nobody changes them from there. They are like that, and that's it.
Audience: Even when he is an adept?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, but this is how they are; that is a school...
Audience: The same one sees in materialism, that is, they are as drastic as materialists ... as the Chinese ...
Samael Aun Weor: Well, there are no materialists over there, because not even Mao's Chinese are materialists. There is no materialism there. Not even Mao was materialist. Read the poetry of Mr. Mao so you can see a pure chant to the gods! Reverence and worship of the gods. There is no materialism there; those are things from here, from the western world ...
Audience: Doesn't that seem like a contradiction, with the fact that he was a Marxist?
Samael Aun Weor: Who?
Audience: Him (Mao).
Samael Aun Weor: But he did not continue with the Marxist dialectic, he used nothing else than the economic system, and that is all. The rest was occupied with his...
Audience: So, then his philosophy wasn't ...?
Samael Aun Weor: His philosophy was a kind of Taoism or free Buddhism, and that's it ... free Buddhism.
Audience: Now, recently, they were employing a policy of criticism of the teaching of Confucius, so based on that they are working on the economic side and everything. So, here is where they get confused, and it is hard to believe according to what you have said, it is believed that he, rather, was opposing Confucius.
Samael Aun Weor: No, a kind of cultural revolution, but properly they are not materialists, in the depth, the entire eastern world is basically spiritual. All pure spiritualism, they are different people, which Westerners do not comprehend.
Audience: Master, if a Gnostic enters in one of those Bons monasteries, there will be none of us left alive, right?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, it's hard, among Gnostic students, for someone to remain alive. Gnostic students are easily hurt... they are resentful like scolded children if a hard word is told to them, with only one little word. Now, how would they be with the Bons?
Audience: They will run away!
Samael Aun Weor: In the Eastern world things are different. For example, in those Buddhist pagodas in Japan, if one does not keep proper composure, the monk arrives and paaff!, he hits you with the stick, the cane; he repeatedly beats you with sticks ...
Audience: And is that normal in Japan?
Samael Aun Weor: And throughout the eastern world. Ask M. A. N., he has been beaten with sticks; in Japan they beat him, paaff, with sticks!
Audience: ... Why?
Samael Aun Weor: For any insignificant thing, like, because he does not keep his composure, because he is not as he should be; to that end, anything is more than enough reason. A monk asked, for example: "Master, what is the nature of the Illuminating Void?" Then the master took the staff that has the crook, and paaff! He struck him, with the staff, on the mouth. Here, in the western world, the disciples would be scared that the master would hit them. That is normal, in the East. But, of course, those methods are too drastic. For example, like those of the school of the Bons, it seems to me that it is not proper for these times. This could have fulfilled some wonderful purposes in a remote antiquity, but for this time it is no longer proper, it is out of fashion, right?
Audience: Can one reach the Absolute through that?
Samael Aun Weor: What?
Audience: Can any of them, with those methods, reach the Absolute?
Samael Aun Weor: To the Absolute? ... Well, whoever disintegrates the "ego" arrives to the Absolute, whether Bon or not. What is important is to disintegrate the ego. The Bons are like that, drastic. Now, the school of Drukpas [dragons] is different. We already talked about the "man of the green gloves” ... The Drukpas are worshipers of the "ego," they worship the "egos," this is why they attacked Gurdjieff. The "man of the green gloves” attacked Gurdjieff because of that.
Audience: Was he German or Hindu?
Samael Aun Weor: Who?
Audience: The man of the green gloves ...
Samael Aun Weor: He was Tibetan! ... He was a man from the Drukpa clan, but Hitler made a unique reception of his kind and considered him as the man who brought the keys of the Kingdom of Agartha, where the Aryan gods live. All the German people mobilized to receive the "man of the green gloves," who was a Drukpa, a "black magician," terrible! This is why he attacked Gurdjieff, this is why! Don't you see that Gurdjieff is against the "ego"? And this man could not allow anyone to speak against the "ego," because he was a black magician ... A black magician is a black magician, that is clear. For the black magician the "I’s" are extremely rich values; moreover, they even care to fortify those "I's.".. to fortify them, and they fortify them terribly and call them "their values.".. For them they are "their values," their richest values... They have a body of doctrine in their own fashion; those are the black magicians ... So "the man of the green gloves" was from the Clan of Drugpa...
Audience: Was he the one who guided Hitler?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, Hitler was a disciple of Gurdjieff. This is why Hitler once said, "I know the Superman, I have seen him, he is terribly cruel; I myself have felt fear." Many thought that Hitler was referring to the "man of the green gloves," no! He was addressing Gurdjieff.
Audience: Master, and from what time did Hitler meet Gurdjieff?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, almost on the eve of World War II... on the vespers of World War II...
Audience: So, he knew certain esoteric aspects, didn't he?
Samael Aun Weor: Hitler? Yes.
Audience: Did Hitler know the arcanum, Master?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, he did...
Audience: With Eva Braun?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes ... There is no doubt that he worked with Eva Braun. Hitler really wanted to follow the path of the Superman, but I understand that the Drukpa clan diverted him and made him walk on the black path... This is how I understand it... This is how it is...
Now, the doctrine of Gurdjieff is not the property of Gurdjieff. He took it from Tibet. It is from the Tibetans. In the East this doctrine has a name; in Tibet this doctrine is called "the doctrine of the many" ... which is Tibetan. And Gurdjieff went to learn that doctrine in Tibet, thus, in Tibet is where he learned the doctrine. Thus that doctrine is not the property of Gurdjieff. What Gurdjieff teaches is a Tibetan doctrine; it is from Tibet, because he, Gurdjieff, was a Tibetan lama. Now, this does not mean that Tibetans are the exclusive owners of the doctrine of the many; the doctrine of the many was taught also in Egypt. I taught it in Egypt. I taught it in the land of the Pharaohs, in Egypt the doctrine of the many... the only difference is that in Egypt, instead of saying "I’s" we simply call them "the red demons of Seth."
In Egypt we wanted the Essence, to which we also extended the title of Horus, to be free of the demons of Seth. Thus, that doctrine was also known in the mysteries of Eleusis, in the mysteries of Samothrace, Troy, Rome, Carthage, etc. Then, it is not the property of any single man. I am teaching it as I have lived it, but if I said that this doctrine is my own exclusivity, I would also be falsifying the truth. This doctrine is not exclusive to anyone. One teaches it as one lives it. As I live it, what I have experienced, lived, I taught it to all the brothers and sisters. And that's it.
Audience: Master, and this new movement "Krishna, Krishna, Hare Hare," what about it?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, in no way will we pronounce ourselves against the Krishna religion. Krishna's religion is very wise. Yet, unfortunately, Krishna's religion is not currently understood, not even by its own co-religionists. Those who teach the Krishna religion, really, although they believe they know it, they do not know it. Because in order to know Krishna's doctrine, one must live it. In addition, Krishna taught something that Krishna's followers are currently unaware of: Krishna taught Tantra. Krishna taught the doctrine of the transmigration of souls, and these sympathizers of the Krishna religion do not know the doctrine of the transmigration of souls, nor Tantra...
Audience: Sorry, Master, there is a phone call for you...
Samael Aun Weor: A phone call for me?
Audience: Yes, there is a phone call for you...
Samael Aun Weor: Well, right now I'm busy (I don't let myself drive mechanically); answer them there, tell them I'm busy...
So Krishna taught a wonderful doctrine, he taught Tantra..., and taught the doctrine of the transmigration of souls. What do these people of this day and age know about that?
Audience: In any case, master, do you know that the Krishnas have...
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, they have the main mantra series, don't they? Which are those mantras that say: "Hare Krishna, Hare Krishna, Hare Hare, Krishna Krishna, Hare Hare, Rama Rama, Hare Hare, Rama Rama" ..., and the rest of it.... Well, these mantras indeed, are very beautiful. I do not say the contrary; as mantras they are very beautiful and serve to go out consciously to the astral, but they do not know the meaning of them, they do not know it. Do they know Tantra? They know nothing about Tantra. Do they know about the transmigration of souls? They know nothing.
Audience: Master, excuse me, but the phone call is urgent...
The master goes to the phone. Thereafter, the questions continue....
Audience: Is the Dalai Lama a great master?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, the Dalai Lama is, let's say, the theocratic authority of Tibet. But the Dalai Lama is currently not in Tibet, he lives in northern India. He had to flee because of the arrival of the Chinese Communists, so he now lives in northern India. He is a complete, self-realized master. He is not a profane or simple official Mandarin, but a master...
Audience: This means that all the rulers of Tibet have been masters?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, let us not exaggerate the point, you know? We have to be measured... measured...
Audience: But, at least in this case, the Dalai Lama, he is like a...
Samael Aun Weor: Well, in the case of the present Dalai Lama [the 14th], he is a self-realized and cognizant master.
On one occasion, I received a visit from the Dalai Lama. I was there in the upper worlds, and I resolved to talk with him, and he came to me and we talked. He wanted to ask some questions (better said, to ask [the Logos Samael] the one who is within me, since my insignificant person is worthless). The answer I gave him was,"Well, I will answer, I will attend to your question, but down there in the physical world, not here; if you can enter into the physical world, we will speak in the physical world, person to person." He accepted the challenge, and said, "Okay, venerable master, I will enter the physical world." "Very well then, we will talk down there." Thus, I came down and got into my physical body. Once I got into my physical body, I sat down, and then I said, "Well, now let us see what happens; let us see what happens." There was only one chair, there next to my bed. " Let's see what happens…” I was watching... Suddenly a man entered the room ...
Audience: Here at this house?
Samael Aun Weor: No, it was another house that was in the south, where we lived before... He was accompanied by two other lamas. The Dalai Lama was imposing, wonderful. He entered, greeted... "Sit down," I said, "brother." There was only one chair, and he sat on it; the other two were standing, one on each side of him. I said, "I congratulate you for having kept your word. Here in the physical world we can talk."
"Perfectly!" I thought they were going to talk to me about political matters or things of the sort. No! These were personal queries of the Dalai Lama and the other two monks who accompanied him (high Tibetan magicians). I observed the Dalai Lama carefully: an adept in the fullest sense of the word. Wonderful! Thus, I told him what I had to say, then we kindly said goodbye to each other. They left by plunging themselves into the astral plane towards India. Thus, this is what the Dalai Lama does!
Audience: And what about Lobsang Rampa, master?
Samael Aun Weor: Lobsang Rampa is a master who fulfills one purpose, which is to move people's curiosity, to attract people to esotericism. Something has been done, and many have come to Gnosis thanks to Tuesday Lobsang Rampa. This does not mean that someone can attain self-realization with the teachings that he gives, but at least it promotes spiritual eagerness for people to seek the doctrine.
Audience: Master, on another occasion you said that when the Dalai Lama returns to China...
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, when my turn comes, that is, when I have to return —- listen to the word: return —- to Tibet, then the Dalai Lama will be already there... China is going to suffer strong political upheavals and everything..., thus, finally they will have to withdraw from the Himalayas. Exactly, they are working very hard in order to get them to retire soon from the Himalayas. It is a very hard work. The different Tibetan monks are very busy. Finally they will have to retire. There are already forces that are promoting the withdrawal of the forces of communism, of the Chinese from Tibet. Soon they will withdraw, and the forces are in action. They will have to leave the Himalayas and leave Tibet alone. This is interesting...
The country of Tibet has been invaded, not once, but many times. On one occasion, a group that lived in holy peace — when the invasion of England [in 1903-1904], which was one of the first invasions — Tibet suffered much from that invasion. Then it was known in the country of the Lamas, there in Asia, that an English army was heading [from India] to Tibet in order to invade it. Well, of course the people gathered to take action; an army was already being organized in order to fight the invaders (the English invaders), but something unexpected happened: there was at that time in Tibet a group of seven sacred individuals. One of them, the most important, the chief, the heir of the ancient knowledge of Tsong-Khapa, presented himself in the middle of the assembly, and said, "Gentlemen, ladies, children, we have to receive the invaders with open arms. It is not right to fight anyone; they are also children of the eternal common cosmic Father. They are our brothers. We do not have to kill them. It is absurd to shed blood.” Sure, everyone respected him because he was one of the seven sacred individuals. Then, he himself promised to go out to meet the English to welcome them. And when he went to welcome them... What happened? He was shot, killed... The English continued their march. That whole invading army headed to Tibet. That was very serious. Of course, he made a very serious mistake. It would have been very easy to stop that army, easy. Notice that they had to go through such places, among mountain gorges where there is stone in quantities, it would be enough to let them reach a place there, and roll those stones down, and there would not be one left alive; they would have killed the invading army! But, this saint "screwed up," and he put the screw well into it, because the English took over Tibet, killed, looted, burned, and did everything they wanted with the people ... People who were not involved in hurting anyone were suddenly attacked by the British…
Audience: Master, that would be a misused virtue there, right?
Samael Aun Weor: A misplaced virtue. Any virtue, no matter how beautiful, if it is misplaced, causes harm. What was the most indicated there would have been to fight the invaders, to destroy them, to organize an army, to fight them, this is clear, for sure.
Audience: Does the law allow that?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, this is clear! You, as head of the family, are with your wife, with your children and everything, inside a house and all of a sudden a group of bandits come to attack, what would you do? Are you going to let your wife and children be killed?
Audience: I will beat them...
Samael Aun Weor: You will not bless them while they are raping your woman and killing your children; or are you going to say: "Oh, please bandits, look, don't do that, because karma will punish you." No! You have to defend your woman, your children, and the whole world...
Audience: Use the same weapons that they are using?
Samael Aun Weor: Your duty is to fight and even die in the fight; fighting, like the men in the battlefield. That is what you have to do.
Audience: Master, and Milarepa, is he a master who is still alive or has already disembodied?
Samael Aun Weor: He has already been disembodied long ago.
Audience: Was he a great master?
Samael Aun Weor: Milarepa was swallowed by Nirvana...
Well, so then, gentlemen, you have to do your duty.
Regarding the former narration, the most serious fact was that the monk who died was the one with the treasures that Tsong Khapa had left, and was the head of that whole small group of seven. Thus, the others were left without those treasures, obviously. Then, they wanted to practice the Almznoshinoo sacrament, but it was already too late. To that effect, each one of them collected a certain amount of their blood with a syringe, thereafter, they mixed their blood, and injected it into the cadaver, because they managed to go and collect the monk’s dead body... The outcome was nothing of the Almznoshinoo sacrament, rather it provoked certain forces that were terrible, that even set fire to…
Audience: What is Almznoshinoo?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, if a master, for example, who has to discarnate, before his disincarnation mixes within a cup or chalice, the blood of all his disciples, and blends this with his own blood, then all the bloods are mixed... Keep in mind that in the blood there is an element that is the Hanbledzoin of the Being, that is, the astral blood. Thus, thanks to that sacrament, to that power of the Hanbledzoin of the Being, to that astral blood, with which the master remains connected, the master can physically materialize, that is, make his astral body visible and tangible here, in the physical world, meaning, he can take his astral body from the world, from the region of the sacraments (Hod) and put it here, in the physical world, and continue living as a person of flesh and blood, as if he were a person of flesh and blood, for one year. After one year, it is no longer possible, due to the cosmic common Trogoautoegocratic process; the Sun reabsorbs, pulls the master's astral body, takes it up. While a master is in the region of the sacraments, he can continue and leave the region of the sacraments and enter into the physical world and become physically visible and tangible. They wanted to do that with the disembodied master, so that he could deliver to them the treasures of Tsong Khapa; but it happens, that this Almoadzian sacrament can only be done when the master is alive and with the proper liturgy. As they had not done it, then they were left without the treasures of Tsong-kha-pa. The invasion was terrible. The English totally ended all seven saints, with the seven sacred individuals. Of course, this sacred individual "screwed up," and because of that, he cast upon his shoulders a great karma.
Good is everything that is in its place, and bad is what is out of place. A virtue, as holy as it may be, if it is out of its place, is bad. That monk committed a bad action that he will have to pay, this is clear, his duty would have been to get involved ... or even better, not to get involved that would have been the best; and if he gets involved, it would have been in order to organize an army. But if he didn’t want to get involved in that, it would have been better to not get involved at all, and go on a mountain to not get in way over his head, let the people do what they want... but he got involved to sabotage the military organization that the people were doing. He caused great damage, because many people died. The whole country was sacked, many crimes were committed, because of his misconception.
Audience: Master, and against the Chinese invasion, there was no resistance either?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, there was resistance, and it still exists, because Tibet has not been delivered nor will it ever be delivered. It will continue forever... and since certain secret forces are moving, the Chinese will soon leave Tibet.
Audience: The Chinese ... (inaudible) ... Tibet has esoteric forces.
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, they know that, and of course they are dizzy with the red propaganda that do not stop causing damage to the Himalayas.
Audience: Master, there is a certain version that says that the Chinese have entered Tibet seeking, precisely ... that such invasion is not only political, but that they seek...
Samael Aun Weor: No, no. Gossip! And besides, already the Tibetan initiates withdrew from Asia and from all the cities out there; they all went to the Himalayas, they live on the steep rocks, on the dormant volcanoes. The mummies and everything were mobilized to certain secret places among the volcanoes of the Himalayas ... Everything changed place.
In Tibet there was a very curious dance, a series of dances on stilts, right? Individuals disguised as devils, disguised with multiple capricious figures, imitating monsters, and etc. It was only to represent the "I’s." That was a ceremony that was made public, it looked like a carnival. The Tibetans understood it, but the Chinese did not understand it, and this is why all of it became secret.
In any case, there we have a monastery: the Sacred Order of Tibet, surrounded by great walls. The building is quite large with its spacious halls and large patio where the adepts sometimes meet... But the Communist Chinese will not find that monastery. Because it is submerged within the fourth vertical; they will never find that monastery, even if they pass very close, they will not see it ...
Audience: Is that Shambhala, master?
Samael Aun Weor: Shambhala is something else, it is another region.
Audience: And Shangri-la, Master?
Samael Aun Weor: That is another region; these are Jinn regions.
Audience: Do you go to Shangri-la?
Samael Aun Weor: Shangri-la... Today it hurts to contemplate the Amitabha Valley invaded by the dark forces of the Chinese Communists, it gives real sadness. Because in that Amitabha Valley, many festivities were celebrated, many religious Almznoshinoo were held. It was always full of a certain spiritual mysticism. And now when one sees the Chinese communists there in the Amitabha Valley, one feels...
In order to get into where the monastery is, one has to cross the Amitabha Valley... I know all those rugged mountains of Tibet, in the Himalayas. And I have had to drive many travelers around. Listen well: I have had to drive them; I have to drive many travelers.
Audience: By the way, master, it is said that when the Chinese invaded, I heard some comments that you had guided a certain group to protect them from the invaders.
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, certain orders had to be given, but rather these were esoteric orders: I had to give certain directions, advice, instructions, etc... I had to give them.
All that of the Himalayas is very interesting. There are still remains of the old kingdom, of kingdoms that existed in the Himalayas. Now nothing more than their tracks remain... I know the Himalayas very closely. Times have changed today, and now only the ruins remain of those ancient cities. But the Central Plateau of Asia is very interesting.
There is a small group of lamas that already have cosmic ships in their possession. That small group, today, is completely separated from Asia; they live in a place inaccessible to the communist Chinese, deep down there, small... A valley surrounded by huge mountains, covered with snow and ice; they are in a great cave... They are a group of lamas; they have the ships secretly stored there. They travel to other inhabited worlds with those ships. So, there is already a group of people on Earth who have these cosmic ships in their possession and who travel to other worlds in space. There is also another group, which we already know, in the Amazon, right? Which is formed by a group of disciples of Marconi. And it seems that there is another small group also in Argentina, which also has the cosmic ships. But, I am only in direct contact with that group of Tibetan lamas of the Himalayas, which have the cosmic ships in their possession. They have a few of them, a small number of cosmic ships, but with those are enough in order to transport them to any world of the infinite space, and to be personally in direct contact with the extraterrestrials. So everything in the world is not like this, as we see it here. The world has other faces, other shapes, other very different people. I would like to be at all times living with those people over there; but one has to be involved here, in order to do the work of the Father, to work, feverishly, giving the teachings. If it weren't for that, I would be there at all hours; and I say "at all times," because sometimes I'm over there. Yes, it is my turn, even in the mountains, sometimes I have to guide certain caravans. Caravans of travelers who don't know the routes, and I do know those routes.
Audience: In the astral, Master?
Samael Aun Weor: Physically, physically... Don't be surprised because of that... Physically, and don't be surprised because of that...
Audience: Are those people of advanced degrees, or ordinary people?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, caravans that ask one to please guide them, and one has to guide them among the mountains.
Audience: Do they call you, invoke you?
Samael Aun Weor: No, personally: they ask for my service, and not only me, but other guides. I am one of many... Let's see ...
Audience: Do you physically appear there when you appear, with the suit you wear here at that moment, or is it another suit; or does it change immediately?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, I wear Tibetan clothes there. That is ubiquity... Don't be astonished at that. The phenomenon of ubiquity is a phenomenon well known in Jinn Science, it is just normal...
Audience: Do you assist in several places at the same time?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, yes, to live elsewhere simultaneously, I can live there and live here at the same time.
Samael Aun Weor: Simultaneously…
Audience: And physically?
Samael Aun Weor: And physically!
Audience: Are you saying that you can do that?
Samael Aun Weor: I know the science... (laughs). Physically I can work there and guide travelers through the mountains, and talk with you here, simultaneously.
Audience: Master, in your book "The Mystery of the Golden Flower," you state that Milarepa “was able to project his subtle body so as to be present in twenty-four holy places where gods and angels assemble.”
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, it is true. Milarepa had great powers. Yet after all, Nirvana swallowed him; that’s his will, because everyone is free to choose the path. As far as I am concerned, I do not follow that path. I follow the Direct Path, that path of humans who renounce happiness in order to stay working here with humanity. The Direct Path: that is the best!
Audience: Master, that of being physically transported... to the countries of America...
Samael Aun Weor: I don't have that order. For South America, nothing. I go there in astral constantly. I also carry my body in Jinn state; but so, to go and live there or...
Audience: Or physically to appear and...
Samael Aun Weor: Well, I go constantly: for some I become visible and tangible. Not with everyone, because we are not here to satisfy curiosity... but where it is necessary for one to become visible and tangible, I do it physically, wherever it is necessary and not where it is not, so, I do it when it is necessary.
Audience: Master, if the harvest of the Gnostic movement has been lost, what remains to be done?
Samael Aun Weor: Things are going wrong simply because the brothers and sisters are not working on the dissolution of their "ego." From that point of view, we say that they are going wrong. As long as a someone does not pass through the Buddhist annihilation, nothing has been done. As long as someone does not work on their own life, they are wasting time miserably. Life is a movie, indeed. With death we return to the starting point of the movie, and we take it to eternity; with the return we bring our movie in order to project it again upon the screen of existence, upon the mat of existence. But it is the same movie, it does not change; it is the same that is repeated from existence to existence. The same movie, the same as always. If someone does not work on their own life to modify that movie, they are wasting their time miserably. Eventually the number of existences, the cycle of manifestation, is over, and then they have to devolve in the bowels of the Earth. That is the reality of the facts. Thus, one may have been very “gnostic,” but if one does not transform one's own life, one wastes time miserably. And a person does not transform their life until they dissolve the "ego." Thus, those who are not working on the dissolution of their "ego" are wasting their time miserably. That is the harsh reality of the facts.
Audience: We gnostics often have to fight against tenebrous entities. For example, when I particularly met several of them in possessed ones, we had to pronounce all kinds of conjurations. I want to ask you: is that a course that concerns us, through which we have to pass, as a consequence of... that is to say, in order to attain experience, or how do we explain this, master?
Samael Aun Weor: What happens is that we Gnostics, that is, those of us who are on the path, often have to fight against ourselves, against the tenebrous entities that we carry within ourselves, within our own home, that is normal. If one does not fight against oneself, he is "ruined." One has to be fighting for the destruction of the inhuman psychic aggregates that we carry inside. That is the harsh reality of the facts.
Audience: And the possessed ones?
Samael Aun Weor: The possessed ones are possessed; they have always been there, and always will be. Those are cases ... machines, for example, extremely helpless, thus foreign psychic aggregates get inside those machines, that's all.
Audience: Do the Gnostics have to help those possessed at all times or in every possible way or only in some cases so that ...?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, when you are asked for the service …
Audience: Only when they ask?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, that’s it!
Audience: Because one cannot be getting involved with ...
Samael Aun Weor: In other people's business; if they ask us for the service there is ...
Audience: Look master, I want to ask you a question, because there has been confusion in many brothers. Still talking there, with them this morning, I still entered into that confusion.
Samael Aun Weor: Aha!
Audience: They consider that the arrival of Hercolubus is... they show the year 1999. How do you think are you going to extend your doctrine in Asia, Japan, Africa, then my question is this: What if for 10 or 15 years one is ignorant of this promotion of the doctrine, these people will not have enough time for the Intimate Self-realization of their Being, because Hercolubus is approaching; but if it is in the year 2500, then there is enough time? Then I want you to please clarify this.
Samael Aun Weor: The minds of human beings are funny: they always think about all of these things. Actually, really, who is the one that says that he knows the exact date of the great catastrophe? There is only one who knows it, and that one is the Father who is in secret.
So, Nostradamus states that the great catastrophe will happen in 1999. Well, that is Nostradamus not me. I don't think it's in 99. I have said that it is in 2500, but that is a symbolic date, because 2 + 5 is 7. It means that when the seventh seal is open the great catastrophe will occur. That is the harsh reality of the facts.
So far, humanity has opened six seals. It has yet to open the seventh. The first seal was opened in the first sub-race, in the Central Plateau of Asia. The second was opened with the second sub-race in southern India and throughout Asia in general. The third was opened by the third sub-race, in Egypt, Chaldea, Phoenicia, Syria, Babylon, etc. The fourth seal was opened in the Greco-Roman era of the Caesars. The fifth was opened by the Saxons, Teutons, English, etc. The sixth was opened when the Spaniards invaded Latin America and mixed themselves with the American native races. And the seventh seal is now to be opened, with the mixture of all the blood of the entire world in the United States, Europe, etc., that is, with the advent of the seventh sub-race of the great Aryan root race. It is, therefore, the opening of the seventh seal. At what time is the seventh opened? I do not know, neither the angels of heaven know it, not even the Son knows it, but only the Ancient of the Centuries. Thus, nobody knows it.
What I do know is that it is about to be opened, because Hercolubus is in the sight of the astronomers. Astronomers made maps of the great catastrophe. Why do they not publish them? Because it is forbidden, they are censored, they are not allowed to create mass hysteria. But, yes we do have it, you have seen the cosmic map in our institution; this was taken from a newspaper library; that is official, it is from the government. That is from the astronomers. And just as the astronomers here have it, the astronomers all over Europe, Asia and everywhere have it. It is official, it is an already official matter and of the knowledge of the governments themselves. Only it is forbidden to disclose it in order to avoid mass hysteria. But Hercolubus is coming, and it is in the view of all astronomers around the world, and it is the one that brings the tragedy, that one!
With the arrival of Hercolubus, the first thing that will jump to the surface will be the liquid fire of the interior of the Earth. Of course, it is a monster, a giant, thousands of times bigger than the Earth, it is dangerously approaching our world, so what can happen? Well, it has to pull magnetically, not only the fire, but even the water as well. There will be monstrous waves never seen before, the fire inside the Earth, the liquid fire, will have to rise; volcanoes will sprout everywhere and even part of the earth's crust will rise into pieces; then all the liquid fire will be spilled over the entire surface of the world, on all continents. That is the day of the great universal fire... It is therefore a logical thing to occur, because of the magnetic attraction of that planet that will come too close to our planet.
Every living thing will perish by fire. Finally, at the closest approach of Hercolubus, the revolution of the Earth's axes will take place, and turn the poor Earth backwards: the poles will become the equator and the equator into poles. The seas will change their beds and the current continents will be at the bottom of the oceans. Thus, all of humanity will perish. There will be no one left alive to tell the story. From this humanity "there will be no puppet with a head." This is the harsh reality of the facts.
We are going to organize a small army, a small group. We will pull millions of people, and among those millions we will see how many are going to be worthy of being taken in the new biblical exodus, before the great catastrophe. The new exodus will be frightening. The brothers and sisters, all of us who are going to work, will have to take out the select ones, take them out, we would say, from everywhere, from all countries, nations and languages; they will have to be taken to a certain place in the Pacific... A place in the Pacific from where the catastrophe can be seen and where they will not receive any damage. In those days the Earth will be wrapped in fire and water vapor, and these chosen ones will be the nucleus for the future sixth root race. New lands will emerge from the bottom of the seas, new continents will be formed, and when a double rainbow appears in the clouds, a sign of a new alliance of God with humans, those chosen ones will live in those new lands, and from them will come the whole new great root race, the sixth root race. When that happens, these chosen ones must not have within themselves even a particle of "ego." Whoever has some "ego" will not be admitted to the Promised Land of tomorrow. Only innocent people will be admitted, people devoid of "ego," absolutely innocent. Do you see what this means? Whoever has "ego" will not be admitted.
Audience: Will they remain on the island?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, they will be disincarnated, since physical bodies will be given exclusively to those who do not have "ego." Because in the future great root race, there will be no one who has "ego," not even one percent of "ego," only innocent people will live there, those who have conquered innocence, or who reconquered innocence in the mind and heart.
Audience: What is the reason? Master, for that double rainbow to appear, that is, has it rarely occurred? Because in a small town in Ecuador, in Bamahoyo, I had the opportunity to see a well marked rainbow and another that was, more or less, in half ...
Samael Aun Weor: Those are very important phenomena, a mystical or esoteric signal.
When that double rainbow appears in the clouds, at that age, at that time, the golden age will be announced. So therefore nothing will be left of these perverse Aryans who now populate the face of the Earth, nothing, absolutely nothing. That is the harsh reality of the facts.
Audience: Master, I wanted to ask you, what is the psychic obsession that you talked about last night in Third Chamber? When I fell asleep and you came to wake me up, and then you said it was a psychic obsession.
Samael Aun Weor: A tenebrous entity that got into your skin...
Audience: Yes master. At that moment I felt that my heart was beating too much...
Samael Aun Weor: He was a tenebrous one ... you can be sure that he is a tenebrous one, because I had to take him out ... You should not let the tenebrous ones get inside you, you have to be on guard.
Audience: What is necessary to do in those cases?
Samael Aun Weor: Take them out. This is why we have the Conjurations. Or just pour water on their faces.
Audience: How can we defend ourselves?
Samael Aun Weor: By being always on guard. When you know that the tenebrous ones can get in, don't fail to be on guard.
Audience: Master, I thought you were... but it was he who was going ... I felt that a person was walking towards me, so I believed that you were the one who was walking towards me, because I felt that he was going with a staff, I hear on the floor like the beat of a staff; and I said: "That is Master Samael who is coming towards me" ... But then when I felt that you were coming towards me, I sensed immediately as if you had changed ...
Samael Aun Weor: – direction! ...
Audience: Direction! Yes, it was like that, I felt it that way, I said, "Maybe somebody is going to pass by," right? But in the moment that I felt that, I felt cognizance, do you understand me? I was alert, or I saw what was happening, but I was there ... And my heart was beating too much.
Samael Aun Weor: No doubt about that! ...because this was a tenebrous one that took advantage of the moment when your mind was calm and... he was a tenebrous one because I was watching him in detail, that's why I had to take him out, and I took him out, he was a tenebrous one...
Audience: Master, and although, for example, I ask for help, say, you or Master Litelantes, at that time, then, why should the tenebrous one get into it?
Samael Aun Weor: It is because he already settled in. After being accommodated within the five cylinders of the machine, he does not want to release the machine. That is what happened. And in order to get him out of there you have to do a little bit of effort: fight and cast him out, conjure him ... What did you say?
Audience: No, nothing, Master ...
Samael Aun Weor: It's terrible about the tenebrous ones. How they invade organisms and everything!
Audience: Is that by recurrence?
Samael Aun Weor: No... when we fail to be on guard then the tenebrous ones get into our "house" without permission; so, don't let the tenebrous ones get inside of you, don't allow it. Be on guard! ... On guard!
Audience: That is, master, don't forget ourselves, right? When you lower your guard is when you forget yourself?
Samael Aun Weor: Of course, when one forgets oneself, one lets the guard down! So it is.
In any case, I already told you that the main thing in life, really the main thing, is the Buddhist annihilation, going through the Buddhist annihilation, and for that purpose you have to work very hard. One can annihilate or disintegrate the "I's," the psychic aggregates, one can do it perfectly — let's say — through meditation and prayer...
Now, the most important force to disintegrate the psychic aggregates is in the Forge of the Cyclops. That is where there is a terrific electric force, which allows one to turn all the psychic aggregates to dust. I turned the psychic aggregates to dust that I had simply by doing the work in the Forge of the Cyclops, intentionally, objectively, and there I turned them to dust...
Audience: Master, is it easier to disintegrate the egos with the solar bodies already built, or in discipleship?
Samael Aun Weor: Either way, is the same, and it's not that easy. That is a fight to the death that one has to have against oneself. Whether one has the solar bodies or not, it is the same.
Audience: That is, does the person who has manufactured the solar bodies also have the possibility of becoming a hasnasmuss faster?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, man, the one who has the superior existential bodies of the Being by fulfilling the Partkdolg Duty of the Being, can become a hasnamuss with a double center of gravity if he does not eliminate the psychic aggregates, this is clear. If he eliminates them, then wonderful! He becomes a solar human. But if he doesn't eliminate them, he becomes a hasnamuss with a double center of gravity. That is the harsh reality of the facts.
Listen well, regarding psychic aggregates, whether with solar bodies or without them, either way one is "ruined," because one goes to the abyss to the Second Death.
Audience: Master, in relation to last night's experience, what do you say about the entity. Is that an "ego" of mine that currently takes possession, or an entity that is outside?
Samael Aun Weor: It is some entity, any. Don't worry or think about that anymore, because you are attracting it.
Audience: The best is to forget?
Samael Aun Weor: Forget about that, don't think about it anymore!...
Audience: Master, I tell you this because, for example, last time, during the healing of Holy Week, remember?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes ...
Audience: So, at home, sometimes when I do some practice, that has happened to me; but I ask Mother Nature for her help. Then you told me, "You vibrate a lot with Mother Nature." Then I felt something similar, so I want you to tell me the difference between this and that.
Samael Aun Weor: Practical experience tells you. Keep calling your Divine Mother Kundalini and work, and that's it. Experience will indicate it to you, that is not learned..., that is not learned but by the march. In any case, do not forget that you are a bodhisattva; and you are "screwing up" by accepting those tenebrous ones, understand? You have the superior existential bodies of the Being already formed. You don't have to make them anymore, you have them! Now all you have to do is to disintegrate your "ego," to turn it to dust, to reduce it to ashes, that's all. And do not admit tenebrous ones inside your body, that's all.
Thus, my dear brothers and sisters, it is vital to understand, then, that the main force to disintegrate the inhuman psychic aggregates that we carry within, is precisely in the forge of the Cyclops, that is, in the forge of Vulcan. There is where the greatest force is.
If one does not work, then simply one delays the Buddhist annihilation. And one has to go through the great annihilation if one wants to have some reality, if one wants to be, truly.
While one has not gone through the Buddhist annihilation, one has no reality, one is a simple robot. As I said last night, "programmed." Who programs it? Our own impressions from the past program us... so, one is programmed, one is a robot and nothing more than a robot programmed by impressions. This is a synthesis, as an example, that you have to know how to understand. To be a robot I think is nothing pleasant, right? It is better to have reality, and you have reality when you go through the Buddhist annihilation. While one does not go through Buddhist annihilation, one has no reality.
Now, regarding the dissolution of aggregates, I want to tell you that there are some very difficult ones, such as that self-deserving one : to think that one deserves everything. That self-deserving one is what we have to take care of as missionaries. I also consider myself a missionary; I also go on a mission with the journeys, in order to teach people and the whole thing. That is why we have to be vigilant, because it could happen that working for humanity, then we feel full of merit, and we say, "Well, but if I have worked for humanity, I am working, I deserve it. I have merits since I am doing something for humanity, I have sacrificed myself." Well, this question of self-merit is very serious, because, really we deserve nothing.
If I told you that, "I deserve it, because I have written some books and formed a movement." Because I formed the Gnostic movement, I don't think I deserve anything. Because who was the one that made the Gnostic movement? The one within. Who is he? The Ancient of Days, the Goodness of goodness, the Mercy of mercies, the Hidden of the hidden. He has his merits, and I am nothing but his instrument. The merits are his, not mine. If I think I deserve everything and that you have to recognize my merits, "because I made the Gnostic movement," and I present myself before you with my head full of smoke, I am committing a very serious fault, because I don't deserve any of that, I haven't done any of that. The one who does the work is the Father. As a vehicle I have served him and that is all ... An imperfect instrument, a "little machine" there that more or less serves the Lord to write His books; who writes them is He, not me. It is He through this "little machine," through these fingers that, by the way, are a little half destroyed already from giving so much to the typewriter... It is a "little machine" that is already being damaged until the fingers of so much writing. It is old, but the "little machine" is there. But could I say that I have merits? Am I the owner of the universal wisdom? The Lord has the merits, because He is the one with merits. I am only His vehicle or instrument, an imperfect vehicle. Only He is perfect. Thus, this question of the deserving "I" or self-deserving must be eliminated. As long as one has that "I" of self-deserving, of thinking that one deserves everything, one could not do anything else but continue as "ego," and continuing as "ego" is very sad, because through that way liberation is not achieved.
Moreover, we always feel it; those who do not say it, feel it: "I have sacrificed myself, I have fought, I am making the movement, I have my merits already earned." Well, self-deserving doesn't let one die in oneself. One has to know that one, one, one, is nothing but a miserable worm and nothing more, that one is worth nothing, that the work is of the Lord, of the Ancient of Days; He is the one who does the Work. We are worth nothing, we are nothing. You have to understand that. As long as that is not understood, then the "ego" continues to exist.
Now, we may understand it intellectually and say, "Yes, it is true," but it is another thing to really understand and feel it, right? You have to understand and know and feel that, really, really, we are nothing. Only the Father who is in secret has merits. We have no merits. At most, we serve as an instrument. As an instrument we can be more or less useful. If we are more "dead," we will be more useful; if we are less "dead," we will be less useful. The more "dead" one is, the more useful one is as an instrument, but still just as an instrument! But to believe that one is the one who does the work, it is absurd! Because we are nothing, worth nothing, deserve nothing.
In past existences, and in the present, all of us have, we said, sinned against the Father, have committed many crimes, many crimes and many mistakes. None of us can say, "Man, I have never in my life, in any existence, made any mistake." Which of us can say that, which one? Do you know any?
Believing oneself a saint ... There is an "I" who thinks it is holy, the "I" of the most holy: it thinks it is endorsed, most holy, who deserves all. That is the Pharisee "I." We must eliminate the Pharisee "I" if we want to achieve the Buddhist annihilation.
Audience: Master, a problem happens among missionaries. It has happened all the time, and I think it will continue to happen, the fact that we believe each one of us, we believe ourselves better than the other missionaries. And it happens that when we go to a place where another missionary has been, most likely we will undo the work that another has done. Then, there are always problems of that nature, and problems of one kind and problems of another kind, because of pride and because "I know more," and because "I do things better than the other and better than that,” then, commenting on that with Mr. C, he told me:" There is no missionary better than the other; the one who is better is the one who does not make a mess; and it is better because he does not make a mess. " And that's what Mr. C told me. I would like, Master, for you to talk to us about it.
Samael Aun Weor: I say that missionaries must do their labor by giving the teachings everywhere, but not interfering with the work of others. Everyone is responsible for their own work. If a missionary has managed to establish a Lumisial and has a group formed, the other missionaries must respect the Lumisial that he has established and not come from outside, from the street, to reform it, because that is disrespectful. It is as if someone, right now, broke into my house and said, "Well, this house is badly arranged: this room is horrible, that furniture does not work, bring other furniture; and that dining room, that is horrible, bring another table, that is useless! And, look at those bedrooms, how they are? Let us change it, let us move the beds from one place to another!" Well, what would you say about this person? He is committing abuse. The same is done by the missionary who goes to destroy a group that another is leading when he wants to reform it. That is another crime. Let each one answer for his group. May each one respond for his people before the Law and before the Father; that nobody gets in the way of the work of another, because that is a crime.
Audience: Master, but in case the international missionary says, "Well this will be done under my responsibility, even if the previous missionary said something else." And he says, "Well even if he has done this, this is going to change and it is my responsibility."
Samael Aun Weor: He is "nosy." He is where he shouldn't be. Go and form new groups; do not come to reform the work of others. Each one is each one, and each one accounts for his work before the law and before the Father. So they have been committing all that kind of abuse in Central America and South America, and certainly that is unfortunate.
Audience: What do you have to do in that case?
Samael Aun Weor: Respect the groups that are formed; if they have been properly formed, they must continue with their established order ...
Audience: Sorry for the interruption, Master, you have a phone call from the Central Television Station.
Samael Aun Weor: Ah yes! Well, let's see what it is about...
If the neighbor is being exploited, etc., then order should be established. It is clear that if you consider it is necessary to send a missionary there, to put order in a Lumisial that is in chaos, and the other missionary has already abandoned his people, then it is different. But for a missionary with a group, that has a group of his own, that has a Lumisial, that formed it, that cost him sacrifice, and suddenly another one comes to "reform what he did," is wrong. What I say applies not only to missionaries, but to sanctuary directors. No one should go to reform the sanctuary of a director.