Wednesday, 28 March 2012
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Here is one of my two current dilemma's in life: Gnosticism has been a large part of my seeking for some years now, but my most ecstatic and enduring religious experience came through a celibate Catholic priest who has then mentored me for 3 years with almost weekly nature hikes, Eucharist adoration, and the sacrament of penance. Even after moving to a different parish he still has remained in touch, though we hike less, but still I've been to a lecture at a seminary with him(I'm seriously contemplating priesthood), walked around the school affiliated with his church(1-8grade, the best memory is two young girls coming up and giving me hugs when that is certainly not expected for someone outside clerical apparel).
I know that my life would have been more miserable without the meeting between the priest and I. It has given me a tradition much deeper than protestant theology, and it's also given me male role-models, which prior to joining the Catholic church I had few, and only 1 was a decent role model. I realize that the priest gave up children of his own, a wife of his own, so that he could minister to the widows and orphans of the world. I would very much like to do this myself, but Samuel says that amplexus reservatus is the only way to salvation.... I know for a fact, If I have a wife and child I won't be able to give myself unconditionally as easily, since I will be responsible for them in a direct way instead of only myself, and the business God gives me to take care of.
The Dilemma isn't something I take lightly, but considering the Catholic Church CONDEMNS sexual contact that does not lead to orgasm, I would have to renounce something that I never planned to join, or even accepted before I had this powerful religious experience, because I was being courteous to a relative.... How does that make sense? Why doesn't Samael and the Gnostics speak more harshly against the Catholic Church? If they completely close the "doors" of salvation for their people? I would think the whole Gnostic community wouldn't be so understanding and accepting of this religion and not condemning, speaking out against it. They are complete Pharisees and all their flock are damned to hell by Samael's teaching, if white tantra is necessary....
Even if I did marry a girl, willing to practice white tantra, while I still went to mass and penace, turning a blind eye to their teaching on the fact that it's condemned, what if we did conceive a child? I know it's possible outside of orgasm, even without the "one, mystically guided" sperm that the angels supposedly channel into the egg or whatever Samael talks about. I still have a dilemma as provider for family, instead of provider for the poor and needy of the world. Please help me with my questions. We are all in this world together, and I can't figure any of this out alone. I will definitely take your response into consideration. Thank you again.
I know that my life would have been more miserable without the meeting between the priest and I. It has given me a tradition much deeper than protestant theology, and it's also given me male role-models, which prior to joining the Catholic church I had few, and only 1 was a decent role model. I realize that the priest gave up children of his own, a wife of his own, so that he could minister to the widows and orphans of the world. I would very much like to do this myself, but Samuel says that amplexus reservatus is the only way to salvation.... I know for a fact, If I have a wife and child I won't be able to give myself unconditionally as easily, since I will be responsible for them in a direct way instead of only myself, and the business God gives me to take care of.
The Dilemma isn't something I take lightly, but considering the Catholic Church CONDEMNS sexual contact that does not lead to orgasm, I would have to renounce something that I never planned to join, or even accepted before I had this powerful religious experience, because I was being courteous to a relative.... How does that make sense? Why doesn't Samael and the Gnostics speak more harshly against the Catholic Church? If they completely close the "doors" of salvation for their people? I would think the whole Gnostic community wouldn't be so understanding and accepting of this religion and not condemning, speaking out against it. They are complete Pharisees and all their flock are damned to hell by Samael's teaching, if white tantra is necessary....
Even if I did marry a girl, willing to practice white tantra, while I still went to mass and penace, turning a blind eye to their teaching on the fact that it's condemned, what if we did conceive a child? I know it's possible outside of orgasm, even without the "one, mystically guided" sperm that the angels supposedly channel into the egg or whatever Samael talks about. I still have a dilemma as provider for family, instead of provider for the poor and needy of the world. Please help me with my questions. We are all in this world together, and I can't figure any of this out alone. I will definitely take your response into consideration. Thank you again.
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Accepted Answer
It is lamentable that the Catholic priests have destroyed so many documents and so many valuable treasures of antiquity.
Fortunately, they could not destroy them all. During the Renaissance, some marvelous books were discovered by brave priests. Thus, despite the persecutions of the clergy, Dante Alighieri, Boccacio, Petrarch, Erasmus, etc., were able to translate famous books like The Iliad and The Odyssey of Homer, true books of occult science and Sexual Magic. They also translated The Aeneid of Virgil, the Theogony, the Works and Days of Hesiod, the Metamorphoses of Ovid and other writings of Lucretius, Horace, Tibullus, Titus Livius, Tacitus, Apulius, Cicero, etc.
All of this is pure Gnosticism. It is really unfortunate, how some ignorant people abandon Gnosis in order to follow systems and methods that ignore Sexual Magic and the Perfect Matrimony.
We have investigated all the great Gnostic treasures, and we have delved into the basis of all the archaic religions; thus, we have found the supreme key of Sexual Magic at the base of all cults. Now we deliver this treasure, this key, to this suffering humanity.
We are not members of the Roman Catholic Church. This church only follows the path of the monk.
We follow all four paths. We have the path of the monk in our Gnostic religion with its patriarch, archbishops, bishops, and priests. That is why we do not belong to the Church of Rome. We are not against any religion, school, or sect either. Many priests of the Roman Church have come to our ranks. People from all organizations have become affiliated with our Gnostic Movement. Our Gnostic Church is one of the most complete ones. On the path of the fakir, we learn to live with rectitude. On the path of the monk, we develop emotion.
On the path of the yogi, we practice esoteric exercises that activate the latent occult powers of man. On the path of the balanced man, we work with Alchemy and with Kabbalah, and we struggle disintegrating the “I.”
Our Gnostic Church is the Transcended Church. This church is found in the Superior Worlds.
We also have many temples in the physical world. In addition, we have opened thousands of Gnostic Lumisials where Holy Rituals are celebrated and the Secret Doctrine of the Beloved Savior of the world is studied. We must not forget that our Gnostic Movement has both a school and a religion. It has already been decisively confirmed that Jesus the Christ was Gnostic. The Savior of the World was an active member of the cast of Essenes, mystics who never cut their hair or their beards. The Gnostic Church is the authentic primeval Christian Church whose first Pope was the Gnostic initiate called Peter. Paul of Tarsus belonged to that church. He was a Nazarene. The Nazarenes were another Gnostic sect. The primeval Christian Church was the true main esoteric trunk from which many other Neo-Christian sects sprung forth, such as: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Adventism, the Armenian Church, etc. Frankly, we have made the resolution to make the root of Christianity, Gnosticism, publicly known. This is the primeval Christian Church.
Whatever be the name, Sexual Magic and Christ are the synthesis of all esoteric studies, religious forms, or educational systems.
The attacks of which we have been victims, the persecutions, anathemas, and excommunications etc., are because of ignorance and lack of study. - Samael Aun Weor
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5
Accepted Answer
It is lamentable that the Catholic priests have destroyed so many documents and so many valuable treasures of antiquity.
Fortunately, they could not destroy them all. During the Renaissance, some marvelous books were discovered by brave priests. Thus, despite the persecutions of the clergy, Dante Alighieri, Boccacio, Petrarch, Erasmus, etc., were able to translate famous books like The Iliad and The Odyssey of Homer, true books of occult science and Sexual Magic. They also translated The Aeneid of Virgil, the Theogony, the Works and Days of Hesiod, the Metamorphoses of Ovid and other writings of Lucretius, Horace, Tibullus, Titus Livius, Tacitus, Apulius, Cicero, etc.
All of this is pure Gnosticism. It is really unfortunate, how some ignorant people abandon Gnosis in order to follow systems and methods that ignore Sexual Magic and the Perfect Matrimony.
We have investigated all the great Gnostic treasures, and we have delved into the basis of all the archaic religions; thus, we have found the supreme key of Sexual Magic at the base of all cults. Now we deliver this treasure, this key, to this suffering humanity.
We are not members of the Roman Catholic Church. This church only follows the path of the monk.
We follow all four paths. We have the path of the monk in our Gnostic religion with its patriarch, archbishops, bishops, and priests. That is why we do not belong to the Church of Rome. We are not against any religion, school, or sect either. Many priests of the Roman Church have come to our ranks. People from all organizations have become affiliated with our Gnostic Movement. Our Gnostic Church is one of the most complete ones. On the path of the fakir, we learn to live with rectitude. On the path of the monk, we develop emotion.
On the path of the yogi, we practice esoteric exercises that activate the latent occult powers of man. On the path of the balanced man, we work with Alchemy and with Kabbalah, and we struggle disintegrating the “I.”
Our Gnostic Church is the Transcended Church. This church is found in the Superior Worlds.
We also have many temples in the physical world. In addition, we have opened thousands of Gnostic Lumisials where Holy Rituals are celebrated and the Secret Doctrine of the Beloved Savior of the world is studied. We must not forget that our Gnostic Movement has both a school and a religion. It has already been decisively confirmed that Jesus the Christ was Gnostic. The Savior of the World was an active member of the cast of Essenes, mystics who never cut their hair or their beards. The Gnostic Church is the authentic primeval Christian Church whose first Pope was the Gnostic initiate called Peter. Paul of Tarsus belonged to that church. He was a Nazarene. The Nazarenes were another Gnostic sect. The primeval Christian Church was the true main esoteric trunk from which many other Neo-Christian sects sprung forth, such as: Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, Adventism, the Armenian Church, etc. Frankly, we have made the resolution to make the root of Christianity, Gnosticism, publicly known. This is the primeval Christian Church.
Whatever be the name, Sexual Magic and Christ are the synthesis of all esoteric studies, religious forms, or educational systems.
The attacks of which we have been victims, the persecutions, anathemas, and excommunications etc., are because of ignorance and lack of study. - Samael Aun Weor
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5
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