Stated simply, the Innermost never falls. Whatever levels the Innermost has acquired, they are preserved in the Innermost. The human soul falls. The human soul can lose everything, even the connection to the Innermost.
Matthew Thomas you wrote the above statement in a separate thread, I have a question about the topic; Since the Innermost is really the one that absorbs and preserves those degrees, attainments, etc, then is it not simply that the Human Soul when it falls from the path of union with it's Innermost, the self-realization of the being, that the soul does not actually lose any attainments because they were never really it's own to begin with but rather has severed a certain level of connection with it's innermost which due to Karma allows access to those attainments based on the Soul's level of development?
A member of the forums once expressed that we do all the work and get nothing because it all goes to our Innermost who is in the lofty superior planes, however, isn't the whole point of the path to unite with our Innermost which is really a part of ourselves, so any work that we perform, however difficult it may seem, is in reality the only work which will actually benefit us (as a soul)? Because the only other direction that we know of is the left hand path (lunar path) which is similar in that we "unite" with something, but that something is other than our Innermost, it is the Guardian of the Threshold (aka the ego) but this "union" produces an opposite effect, for example; the sexual energy can be transmuted, to give it to our Innermost for our spiritual development which benefits us as a soul, yet that same energy used in the opposite way is "handed" over to feed the desire of our ego's which as a result does not benefit the soul in any way but instead initiates a movement for the souls journey towards greater degrees of ignorance and suffering, so we never really own any of it, we are just given the choice of what to do with all of these forces which are temporarily at our disposal, we are therefore held accountable for our actions and how we use these forces, whether "good" or "bad".
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When a human soul falls, it loses its connection with divinity — in other words, the conduit for genuine peace, contentment, happiness, joy, altruism, love, etc. The attainments (initiations, degrees, etc) are retained by the Being.
We can state that the human soul works on the path in order to unite with divinity. Its reward is unconditioned happiness, freedom, a "lightness of being." When a human soul falls, it loses all of that. In other words, it loses the experience of the level of being that those attainments provide access to. Someone who has reached the initiation of Tiphereth can experience qualities of consciousness that are quite far from the experience of the average person. So, one who falls loses access to that.
What we own is how our actions produce our state of being and influence the state of being of those we love.
We can state that the human soul works on the path in order to unite with divinity. Its reward is unconditioned happiness, freedom, a "lightness of being." When a human soul falls, it loses all of that. In other words, it loses the experience of the level of being that those attainments provide access to. Someone who has reached the initiation of Tiphereth can experience qualities of consciousness that are quite far from the experience of the average person. So, one who falls loses access to that.
What we own is how our actions produce our state of being and influence the state of being of those we love.
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
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When a human soul falls, it loses its connection with divinity — in other words, the conduit for genuine peace, contentment, happiness, joy, altruism, love, etc. The attainments (initiations, degrees, etc) are retained by the Being.
We can state that the human soul works on the path in order to unite with divinity. Its reward is unconditioned happiness, freedom, a "lightness of being." When a human soul falls, it loses all of that. In other words, it loses the experience of the level of being that those attainments provide access to. Someone who has reached the initiation of Tiphereth can experience qualities of consciousness that are quite far from the experience of the average person. So, one who falls loses access to that.
What we own is how our actions produce our state of being and influence the state of being of those we love.
We can state that the human soul works on the path in order to unite with divinity. Its reward is unconditioned happiness, freedom, a "lightness of being." When a human soul falls, it loses all of that. In other words, it loses the experience of the level of being that those attainments provide access to. Someone who has reached the initiation of Tiphereth can experience qualities of consciousness that are quite far from the experience of the average person. So, one who falls loses access to that.
What we own is how our actions produce our state of being and influence the state of being of those we love.
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"When a human soul falls, it loses its connection with divinity"
Along these lines I would like to ask; there are people around the world who are in abstinence, although they may not be performing transmutation practice directly such as pranayama, etc. Are the ones in abstinence enjoying at least some higher level of connection with their Innermost that say a fornicator does not have access to? Essentially my question is asking whether there are levels of "contact" that one may experience depending on their practice and level of development.
It is my understanding that if we work with the practices given by Samael Aun Weor, that this conduit which you mentioned is strengthened thus allowing a greater degree of communication between the Soul and it's Innermost, do we have a term or specific name given to this conduit?
Along these lines I would like to ask; there are people around the world who are in abstinence, although they may not be performing transmutation practice directly such as pranayama, etc. Are the ones in abstinence enjoying at least some higher level of connection with their Innermost that say a fornicator does not have access to? Essentially my question is asking whether there are levels of "contact" that one may experience depending on their practice and level of development.
It is my understanding that if we work with the practices given by Samael Aun Weor, that this conduit which you mentioned is strengthened thus allowing a greater degree of communication between the Soul and it's Innermost, do we have a term or specific name given to this conduit?
1. Yes
2. Self-remembering
2. Self-remembering
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
I gather that in essence, self-remembering, the conduit that links the soul with it's Innermost, is directly affected in quality and function by how the sexual energy is managed, although it still needs to be put into active awareness by conscious will alongside it's complimentary practice which we know of as mindfulness? Would self-remembering, or a component thereof also be what psychologists call conscience?
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