Friday, 24 February 2012
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<p>"Nothing so delights the faithful soul as the healthy <a href="faqs/psychology/1720-what-is-consciousness.html">consciousness</a> of an unstained modesty. To have vanquished pleasure is the greatest pleasure; nor is there any greater victory than that which is gained over one's desires" Cyprian<br /> <br /> I'm wondering how far this extends regarding vanquishing pleasure.<br /> <br /> Bodily Pleasure - such as a massage, the first plunge into the ocean, the wind brushing against your cheek, being caressed or tickled...<br /> <br /> Emotional Pleasure - such as when a loved one accomplishes a great feat, when union is experienced or simply when love is experienced.<br /> <br /> And what of sexual pleasure with a beloved - non-spasmodic pleasure experienced in the erotic centres of the body...<br /> <br /> These questions are not so much a reaction to the above quote. They have been brewing in me for a while now as I try to decipher the teachings. The differences between desire, yearning, lust, pleasure...of the innermost...of the egos..</p>
<p>In the lecture "Womens Saintly Predestination" Samael speaks of "That great happiness the woman feels when she holds a child in her arms, when she nourishes him at her breasts, when she offers him her love!" I so I get that this kind of enjoyment is acceptable, but Im yet to find anything in the scriptures or tewachings that refer to pleasure as something that doesnt need to be transformed.</p>
<p><br /> Any clarification will be much appreciated!</p>
10 years ago
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#602
Accepted Answer
The natural state of the consciousness is in Eden, which is Hebrew for "bliss." In Sanskrit, this is Nirvana, which means "cessation" of suffering. When we have no desire for pleasure we naturally abide in happiness and contentment, enjoying all the benefits of being.

"The secret of the happiness of the Inner God of each creature consists in the relationship of him with himself... The correct divine state is, beyond all doubt, that of supreme happiness, desire, and sexual enjoyment which remains invariable through the Aeons and which comes from the relationship of the divinity with itself... At the most distant extremity, the seven cosmos that shine gloriously in infinite space entwine sexually... Why should the Microcosm man be an exception? He and She always adore each other... You know this... Therefore, sexual enjoyment is a legitimate right of humans and comes as we have already said from the relationship of divinity with itself. In other words, we emphasize transcendental reality by saying that sexual enjoyment is terribly divine." - Samael Aun Weor, The Mystery of the Golden Blossom

Pleasure or enjoyment is not the problem. The problem is in our psychological relationship with pleasure.

"Pleasure never endures long enough, this is why the thirst for pleasure is the ailment that makes the intellectual animals most pitiable." - Samael Aun Weor, Fundamental Education

"Whosoever has awakened the consciousness lives awake in the Superior Worlds. We feel the mystical beatitude of the ineffable Light while in the supra-sensible worlds. Then, the past, the present, and the future harmonize within an eternal Now. There is no better pleasure than feeling one’s soul detached. Then we taste the divine nectar of eternity, and we enter through the doors of the temples filled with joy and amidst the ineffable melodies of the great mysteries." - Samael Aun Weor, The Aquarian Message

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

10 years ago
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#602
Accepted Answer
The natural state of the consciousness is in Eden, which is Hebrew for "bliss." In Sanskrit, this is Nirvana, which means "cessation" of suffering. When we have no desire for pleasure we naturally abide in happiness and contentment, enjoying all the benefits of being.

"The secret of the happiness of the Inner God of each creature consists in the relationship of him with himself... The correct divine state is, beyond all doubt, that of supreme happiness, desire, and sexual enjoyment which remains invariable through the Aeons and which comes from the relationship of the divinity with itself... At the most distant extremity, the seven cosmos that shine gloriously in infinite space entwine sexually... Why should the Microcosm man be an exception? He and She always adore each other... You know this... Therefore, sexual enjoyment is a legitimate right of humans and comes as we have already said from the relationship of divinity with itself. In other words, we emphasize transcendental reality by saying that sexual enjoyment is terribly divine." - Samael Aun Weor, The Mystery of the Golden Blossom

Pleasure or enjoyment is not the problem. The problem is in our psychological relationship with pleasure.

"Pleasure never endures long enough, this is why the thirst for pleasure is the ailment that makes the intellectual animals most pitiable." - Samael Aun Weor, Fundamental Education

"Whosoever has awakened the consciousness lives awake in the Superior Worlds. We feel the mystical beatitude of the ineffable Light while in the supra-sensible worlds. Then, the past, the present, and the future harmonize within an eternal Now. There is no better pleasure than feeling one’s soul detached. Then we taste the divine nectar of eternity, and we enter through the doors of the temples filled with joy and amidst the ineffable melodies of the great mysteries." - Samael Aun Weor, The Aquarian Message

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

10 years ago
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#603
Ohh ok, so experiencing pleasure of any kind is natural - but seeking, desiring, relying, and attaching to it is detrimental.
Thank You for that clarification!
10 years ago
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#604
So in relation to the above quote I gather he means to vanquish pleasure is actually to overcome the desire for it...
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