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Can any literal real world examples be explained/given (non intuitively or kabbalistically (because it may go completely over my head) ) about each passage below, as to better understand them.. Thank you



"In this inner path, when we think we are doing very badly, it happens that we are doing very well."
What is an example of something that we feel we are doing badly, that actually is something being done well?


"In this secret path there are instants when one does not even know anymore what is good, or what is bad."
What is an example, of a person in a conflict/situation/circumstance who does not know what is good or bad in the given scenario?


"Sometimes that which is normally forbidden, happens to be what is just; thus is the inner path."
What is normally forbidden? And How can that, which is normally forbidden be just? Is fornication an example? Killing in defense I know, but what else is normally forbidden that in some context would be just?


"All moral codes are unnecessary in the inner path; a beautiful maxim or a nice moral precept can become a very serious obstacle for Intimate Auto-Realization of the Being."
Moral codes as in what? Dont steal, dont lie, dont cheat others, etc, sometimes its part of the path to lie, what kind of moral code? To abandon your family, kids, etc for the path? Can a clear example be given of a moral code in some scenario which would be unnecessary on the path which is some beautiful maxim or moral precept?
11 years ago
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#3639
Accepted Answer
With regards to your first question, about how our perceptions of our own inner progress can be amiss, study this:

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

- Luke 18:9-14



As for your other questions, regarding moral codes, study this lecture about Wagner's opera Siegfried:

So Siegfried has to pass the ordeal to gain entrance into that level of development. And to do so he has to confront Wotan, but he does not know who Wotan is. In other words, Siegfried does not yet know his own self, his own Inner Father, his own Kether. But he has courage, he has willpower to proceed.

Wotan blocks his way with his staff. He says, "You cannot advance; you have to go through me first." So we would say symbolically that Wotan is appearing here as Loge, as Lucifer, as the tempter, as the Guardian of the Threshold, this apparition which we have to have courage to confront and overcome.

Siegfried swings his sword and breaks the staff of Wotan. And what is that? You will remember of course that in the previous opera, Wotan broke the sword. But now the same sword reforged breaks the staff. What has happened? What has changed?

In the previous opera, that sword was the sword of a walker on the First Mountain, who only had a certain level of development, who is still bound by certain laws, certain commandments, certain ways of understanding, certain ways of behaving. But through great works and development of consciousness, Siegfried has arrived at the precipice, the entrance into the Second Mountain. In other words, he has more understanding, he needs to develop his will in a greater degree, and he is able to break the staff of Wotan. This is a very deep symbol.

The staff represents, naturally, the spine. But the staff in particular is Wotan's symbol of his contracts, of his rules, of his laws. What is interesting is that when someone is in the very beginning stages of initiation, this person is bound by the Ten Commandments, by certain rules, by certain contracts that we make with God. We are bound by that, and this is what Moses delivers to the people-basic rules that one must follow in order to reach a certain stage of initiation. But to go beyond, to go into further levels of development, one has to transcend even that.

Now you will remember that those Ten Commandments are given in Deuteronomy. Do you know that Deutero means "second?" In other words, the Ten Commandments are the second law. They are the law given to the beginners. But there is a first law, and that is, "You shall love your God with all of your heart, with all of your mind, with all of your soul, and with all of your strength." In other words, you shall do the will of your God above all things.

The walker of the Direct Path transcends the Ten Commandments and begins to act in a revolutionary way in accordance with his own will. But that is the will of God in him. By appearances it looks contradictory. It appears that he is breaking the law, and Jesus naturally ran into this all the time with all the Pharisees accusing him, "You are breaking the law! You are breaking the law! You are breaking the law!" And what does He say? "I am the law." The Christ is the First Law which transcends the Second Law.

Siegfried represents the Christified initiate who breaks his contractual obligations with lower laws. He is revolutionary. He is beyond the law. He is becoming Christ, to incarnate that.

And this is how we can understand when we look into many Initiatic stories, stories of the lives of great initiates. They appear to do things which contradict those Ten Commandments, or the basic precepts. They appear to do things that are against what we call "moral." And that is because they answer to a higher law.

- Siegfried (Transcription)



And here an example of the above, which relates to the life of Samael Aun Weor (as well as many other initiates who have passed through the resurrection):

And precisely this is the first step (in order to kill Kamaduro and Karmasaya), this is to marry Gutrune, by toasting to Brünnhilde, he drinks the cup; because this is his last task: when his inner being says: “well now you have to confront the women with which you fell in the past. And you have to marry her, you have to transmute with her, because with her you fell. And with her you have to be lifted up and become completely resurrected. If the initiate refuses, he says “Well if you want to rise yourself into the level in which you were united with me you have to confront that. You betrayed me with her in the past now you have to face the consequences. Go with her and transmute with her but be careful because she will try to make you fall again from the level in which you now are. And the initiate does it; because if he does not do it he will not resurrect. Because the karma of Kamaduro and Karmasaya is rooted there in the treason he committed in the past and he has to face that. However, if he doesn’t do it of course he will be invulnerable, protected by the force of the Spirit, yet, if he does it he will lose that protection and this is necessary so that the karma that is a damnation, that is of course rooted in Hagen from the past because of the treason committed by Alberich become fulfilled, which is the damnation of the ring.

Everybody has the damnation of the ring inside his own psychology. But you pay that only at the end. Remember how the great initiates at the end die. And they pass a great humiliation. And of course when the initiate enters and confronts his new partner in the physical world. It sounds like adultery right? It is adultery. An every body will see it. And it will be a scandal but that is precisely the way. This is unforgivable karma and you have to face it. And in the moment when he starts to practice sexual magic with his new wife, from that cup he receives all the damnation, all the ego. Remember that it is written you shall not commit adultery. Because when you commit adultery you absorb the psychological elements from the partner you are committing adultery with. Then you not only have to fight against your psychological elements but also those elements of your partner. You poison yourself in other words. And this is something very delicate that nobody understands. This is why you shall not commit adultery.

- Götterdämmerung (Transcription)
11 years ago
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#3639
Accepted Answer
With regards to your first question, about how our perceptions of our own inner progress can be amiss, study this:

And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:

Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified, rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

- Luke 18:9-14



As for your other questions, regarding moral codes, study this lecture about Wagner's opera Siegfried:

So Siegfried has to pass the ordeal to gain entrance into that level of development. And to do so he has to confront Wotan, but he does not know who Wotan is. In other words, Siegfried does not yet know his own self, his own Inner Father, his own Kether. But he has courage, he has willpower to proceed.

Wotan blocks his way with his staff. He says, "You cannot advance; you have to go through me first." So we would say symbolically that Wotan is appearing here as Loge, as Lucifer, as the tempter, as the Guardian of the Threshold, this apparition which we have to have courage to confront and overcome.

Siegfried swings his sword and breaks the staff of Wotan. And what is that? You will remember of course that in the previous opera, Wotan broke the sword. But now the same sword reforged breaks the staff. What has happened? What has changed?

In the previous opera, that sword was the sword of a walker on the First Mountain, who only had a certain level of development, who is still bound by certain laws, certain commandments, certain ways of understanding, certain ways of behaving. But through great works and development of consciousness, Siegfried has arrived at the precipice, the entrance into the Second Mountain. In other words, he has more understanding, he needs to develop his will in a greater degree, and he is able to break the staff of Wotan. This is a very deep symbol.

The staff represents, naturally, the spine. But the staff in particular is Wotan's symbol of his contracts, of his rules, of his laws. What is interesting is that when someone is in the very beginning stages of initiation, this person is bound by the Ten Commandments, by certain rules, by certain contracts that we make with God. We are bound by that, and this is what Moses delivers to the people-basic rules that one must follow in order to reach a certain stage of initiation. But to go beyond, to go into further levels of development, one has to transcend even that.

Now you will remember that those Ten Commandments are given in Deuteronomy. Do you know that Deutero means "second?" In other words, the Ten Commandments are the second law. They are the law given to the beginners. But there is a first law, and that is, "You shall love your God with all of your heart, with all of your mind, with all of your soul, and with all of your strength." In other words, you shall do the will of your God above all things.

The walker of the Direct Path transcends the Ten Commandments and begins to act in a revolutionary way in accordance with his own will. But that is the will of God in him. By appearances it looks contradictory. It appears that he is breaking the law, and Jesus naturally ran into this all the time with all the Pharisees accusing him, "You are breaking the law! You are breaking the law! You are breaking the law!" And what does He say? "I am the law." The Christ is the First Law which transcends the Second Law.

Siegfried represents the Christified initiate who breaks his contractual obligations with lower laws. He is revolutionary. He is beyond the law. He is becoming Christ, to incarnate that.

And this is how we can understand when we look into many Initiatic stories, stories of the lives of great initiates. They appear to do things which contradict those Ten Commandments, or the basic precepts. They appear to do things that are against what we call "moral." And that is because they answer to a higher law.

- Siegfried (Transcription)



And here an example of the above, which relates to the life of Samael Aun Weor (as well as many other initiates who have passed through the resurrection):

And precisely this is the first step (in order to kill Kamaduro and Karmasaya), this is to marry Gutrune, by toasting to Brünnhilde, he drinks the cup; because this is his last task: when his inner being says: “well now you have to confront the women with which you fell in the past. And you have to marry her, you have to transmute with her, because with her you fell. And with her you have to be lifted up and become completely resurrected. If the initiate refuses, he says “Well if you want to rise yourself into the level in which you were united with me you have to confront that. You betrayed me with her in the past now you have to face the consequences. Go with her and transmute with her but be careful because she will try to make you fall again from the level in which you now are. And the initiate does it; because if he does not do it he will not resurrect. Because the karma of Kamaduro and Karmasaya is rooted there in the treason he committed in the past and he has to face that. However, if he doesn’t do it of course he will be invulnerable, protected by the force of the Spirit, yet, if he does it he will lose that protection and this is necessary so that the karma that is a damnation, that is of course rooted in Hagen from the past because of the treason committed by Alberich become fulfilled, which is the damnation of the ring.

Everybody has the damnation of the ring inside his own psychology. But you pay that only at the end. Remember how the great initiates at the end die. And they pass a great humiliation. And of course when the initiate enters and confronts his new partner in the physical world. It sounds like adultery right? It is adultery. An every body will see it. And it will be a scandal but that is precisely the way. This is unforgivable karma and you have to face it. And in the moment when he starts to practice sexual magic with his new wife, from that cup he receives all the damnation, all the ego. Remember that it is written you shall not commit adultery. Because when you commit adultery you absorb the psychological elements from the partner you are committing adultery with. Then you not only have to fight against your psychological elements but also those elements of your partner. You poison yourself in other words. And this is something very delicate that nobody understands. This is why you shall not commit adultery.

- Götterdämmerung (Transcription)
11 years ago
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#3640
I also recommend the following lessons, which help highlight the difference between ethics and morality (see the links at the bottom of my post).

The basic idea is this: Morals are codes of conduct determined by society and culture. They are just manners of behaving. They may or may not bear some relationship to ethical behavior. They change over time as social mores change. Just as some examples, euthanasia is legal in some countries and illegal in others. Homosexuality is legal in some countries, and illegal in others. Those are just morals, just customs. They have little to do with what is actually Right Action in a given situation. Those manners of behavior are not being selected based on what the karmic consequences would be for performing them.

So morals (societal customs) have nothing to do with the Path, because the Path relates to reality. What are the fruits of your actions? Ethics is Right Action, performing what is necessary in a given situation in order to produce fruits that are beneficial to the Spirit, beneficial to others. Ethics are not a set of defined axioms or mantras, because what is Right Action will depend on the situation and the factors that are involved. Ethics emerge out of the heart, out of genuine compassion and desire to help others and serve God. Morals are trained into the personality.

Have you ever been in a situation where society is telling you that a certain thing is okay, but your conscience is telling you that it is wrong? So right there you can see the difference.
11 years ago
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#3643
Thank you for your time and energy.
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