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The Black Lodge would most likely argue that "Freedom" is having the ability to do whatever you desire, without consequence.
The White Lodge would most likely agree that "Freedom" is not having any psychological attachments or desires. Freedom from the bondage of the ego.
So we can see, that the two lodges approach the idea of "Freedom" quite differently.
I wanted to get a Gnostic Instructor's perspective on this. As I see an argument to both. Samael does not confront the Black Lodge's idea of freedom, which sounds quite appealing. Obviously, we humans are hardly free in either capacity. I am not free in that I have an Ego which binds me to certain aspects of the world. I am furthermore unfree in that I cannot even satisfy these attachments or desires, I have not the means. For example, I would like to spend this summer going sailing in the Pacific. But I don't have the money. You see? I am not free to do what I want. But then again, wanting in the first place is wrong of me, or atleast according to Samael's definition of Freedom. Am I getting that right? I would love to hear what someone else has to say.
The White Lodge would most likely agree that "Freedom" is not having any psychological attachments or desires. Freedom from the bondage of the ego.
So we can see, that the two lodges approach the idea of "Freedom" quite differently.
I wanted to get a Gnostic Instructor's perspective on this. As I see an argument to both. Samael does not confront the Black Lodge's idea of freedom, which sounds quite appealing. Obviously, we humans are hardly free in either capacity. I am not free in that I have an Ego which binds me to certain aspects of the world. I am furthermore unfree in that I cannot even satisfy these attachments or desires, I have not the means. For example, I would like to spend this summer going sailing in the Pacific. But I don't have the money. You see? I am not free to do what I want. But then again, wanting in the first place is wrong of me, or atleast according to Samael's definition of Freedom. Am I getting that right? I would love to hear what someone else has to say.
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Hello,
Great question. We know from this tradition (and as articulated in the reference you provided) that we are not free when we have attachments. Therefore, is doing whatever is 'desired' without consequences really free? Or, is it just really feeding the ego?
An initial step toward freedom is to begin the journey to know oneself. The more we know ourselves, the closer we are to breaking the bonds of desire. Therefore, freedom is truly knowing ourselves through the elimination of the ego.
In your example of the desire to go sailing. Would that desire change as one gets to know oneself? Would it change to answer why one would want to go sailing in the first place? I propose that it is not whether to go sailing or not that is the issue, the issue is that the more we know ourselves, the more we are able to get to the why of things. Perhaps, there would be a realization that what is desired is not the sailing, but something much more profound and could be achieved by other means. Thereby, by knowing ourselves, we have an awakening of consciousness that would show us those other means.
Great question. We know from this tradition (and as articulated in the reference you provided) that we are not free when we have attachments. Therefore, is doing whatever is 'desired' without consequences really free? Or, is it just really feeding the ego?
An initial step toward freedom is to begin the journey to know oneself. The more we know ourselves, the closer we are to breaking the bonds of desire. Therefore, freedom is truly knowing ourselves through the elimination of the ego.
In your example of the desire to go sailing. Would that desire change as one gets to know oneself? Would it change to answer why one would want to go sailing in the first place? I propose that it is not whether to go sailing or not that is the issue, the issue is that the more we know ourselves, the more we are able to get to the why of things. Perhaps, there would be a realization that what is desired is not the sailing, but something much more profound and could be achieved by other means. Thereby, by knowing ourselves, we have an awakening of consciousness that would show us those other means.
Accepted Answer
Hello,
Great question. We know from this tradition (and as articulated in the reference you provided) that we are not free when we have attachments. Therefore, is doing whatever is 'desired' without consequences really free? Or, is it just really feeding the ego?
An initial step toward freedom is to begin the journey to know oneself. The more we know ourselves, the closer we are to breaking the bonds of desire. Therefore, freedom is truly knowing ourselves through the elimination of the ego.
In your example of the desire to go sailing. Would that desire change as one gets to know oneself? Would it change to answer why one would want to go sailing in the first place? I propose that it is not whether to go sailing or not that is the issue, the issue is that the more we know ourselves, the more we are able to get to the why of things. Perhaps, there would be a realization that what is desired is not the sailing, but something much more profound and could be achieved by other means. Thereby, by knowing ourselves, we have an awakening of consciousness that would show us those other means.
Great question. We know from this tradition (and as articulated in the reference you provided) that we are not free when we have attachments. Therefore, is doing whatever is 'desired' without consequences really free? Or, is it just really feeding the ego?
An initial step toward freedom is to begin the journey to know oneself. The more we know ourselves, the closer we are to breaking the bonds of desire. Therefore, freedom is truly knowing ourselves through the elimination of the ego.
In your example of the desire to go sailing. Would that desire change as one gets to know oneself? Would it change to answer why one would want to go sailing in the first place? I propose that it is not whether to go sailing or not that is the issue, the issue is that the more we know ourselves, the more we are able to get to the why of things. Perhaps, there would be a realization that what is desired is not the sailing, but something much more profound and could be achieved by other means. Thereby, by knowing ourselves, we have an awakening of consciousness that would show us those other means.
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