Hello, everyone,
Samael, when he wrote about the initiations of Minor Mysteries, said that "Fornicators do not receive initiations".
Which is logical and understandable.
But what about nocturnal emissions? Technically it's a fornication, but not a willing one ( one can even try to learn to stop it by his/her own will when it occurs).
The thing is, these emissions can occur even without lustful images.
If you work on the egos associated with masturbation, pornography, perversity, etc., then when the shallower levels are exhausted, the same egos that are associated with the egos of nocturnal emissions, all it takes to trigger them (nocturnal emission) is just a thought or an intention or an idea, etc.
A vague thing that is not even erotic, or even in a thought there seems to be almost no lust (or no lust at all, very deep seated mental "conduit" to the very deeply seated ego).
In this case, you can suffer the emission even without an erotic image or thought or something.
I remember cases when I didn't even feel desire in the astral (I had full control over myself on a level that would correspond to desire), didn't look at an erotic image, and the emission only occurred because some fast passing idea or thought (which I would hardly notice, but it is in a very deep mental "layer") would trigger the emission.
The last time I remember, I was looking at a simple magazine (not erotic) or picture, and something quickly passed through my mind, and then I find myself in the physical body experiencing emission and using all my willpower and physical muscles to stop it.
So the thing is, this is technically fornication, right?
If it's fornication, you can't receive Minor Initiation.
But if that's true, then the standards are awfully high. No one would be able to pass them because these egos of nocturnal emissions are so deep in the mental level.
Because if you work on these lustful egos here and stop the harmful actions, it takes a very long time (years and years) to learn to go to such a deep level to comprehend these egos.
Now another question is when does a person defeat the first guardian of the threshold.
From what I understand, when you defeat it, it can regain control of you after you have fornicated one or a few times, right?
Then what about emissions?
If you suffer from those, then you can possibly be controlled by him again (assuming you defeated him in the trial before).
But by that logic, again, no one would be able to leave the path of pain and suffering.
Even if they wanted to 110%, tried 110%, but there are still a lot of things that are also 110% out of control.
Can an instructor shed some light on this?
Thank you!
Samael, when he wrote about the initiations of Minor Mysteries, said that "Fornicators do not receive initiations".
Which is logical and understandable.
But what about nocturnal emissions? Technically it's a fornication, but not a willing one ( one can even try to learn to stop it by his/her own will when it occurs).
The thing is, these emissions can occur even without lustful images.
If you work on the egos associated with masturbation, pornography, perversity, etc., then when the shallower levels are exhausted, the same egos that are associated with the egos of nocturnal emissions, all it takes to trigger them (nocturnal emission) is just a thought or an intention or an idea, etc.
A vague thing that is not even erotic, or even in a thought there seems to be almost no lust (or no lust at all, very deep seated mental "conduit" to the very deeply seated ego).
In this case, you can suffer the emission even without an erotic image or thought or something.
I remember cases when I didn't even feel desire in the astral (I had full control over myself on a level that would correspond to desire), didn't look at an erotic image, and the emission only occurred because some fast passing idea or thought (which I would hardly notice, but it is in a very deep mental "layer") would trigger the emission.
The last time I remember, I was looking at a simple magazine (not erotic) or picture, and something quickly passed through my mind, and then I find myself in the physical body experiencing emission and using all my willpower and physical muscles to stop it.
So the thing is, this is technically fornication, right?
If it's fornication, you can't receive Minor Initiation.
But if that's true, then the standards are awfully high. No one would be able to pass them because these egos of nocturnal emissions are so deep in the mental level.
Because if you work on these lustful egos here and stop the harmful actions, it takes a very long time (years and years) to learn to go to such a deep level to comprehend these egos.
Now another question is when does a person defeat the first guardian of the threshold.
From what I understand, when you defeat it, it can regain control of you after you have fornicated one or a few times, right?
Then what about emissions?
If you suffer from those, then you can possibly be controlled by him again (assuming you defeated him in the trial before).
But by that logic, again, no one would be able to leave the path of pain and suffering.
Even if they wanted to 110%, tried 110%, but there are still a lot of things that are also 110% out of control.
Can an instructor shed some light on this?
Thank you!
Accepted Answer
Nocturnal emissions, involuntary seminal ejaculation or wet dreams, is fornication, orgasm, and loss of sexual energy through lust.
The Minor Mysteries are accomplished through chastity. This is why meditation and comprehension of lustful egos, including those that produce nocturnal pollutions, is necessary.
Remember that while nocturnal pollutions are an obstacle, they can be healed through comprehension in meditation and the melon seed remedy.
Nocturnal pollutions push one back in accordance with the magnitude of the fault. This means that while such acts are involuntary, they carry deeper consequences in terms of how much energy or will one invests into such acts, whether consciously or not.
Defeating the Guardian of the Threshold signifies that you have proven some degree of commitment and sincerity to the path, not that you have conquered (comprehended and eliminated) all of your lust.
We overcome ourselves in degrees. This is why the path exists. If we fall, we retrogress and have to struggle twice as hard to regain what we have lost. This is why initiation is demanding.
There are many people who have learned how to leave the path of pain and suffering, and it is through this: comprehend and eliminate your lust in meditation.
People who suffer nocturnal pollutions should learn to meditate every morning from 3 to 4 am, during the morning hours when such pollutions are common. Transmute the sexual energy through prayer, mantra, japa, or pranayama if you are single.
Married couples can learn to transmute together and therefore learn how to redirect the sexual energy, so that even if lustful dreams occur, the energies are trained to circulate positively within oneself.
However, this is no guarantee, for as long as one has lust, one is vulnerable.
The Minor Mysteries are accomplished through chastity. This is why meditation and comprehension of lustful egos, including those that produce nocturnal pollutions, is necessary.
Remember that while nocturnal pollutions are an obstacle, they can be healed through comprehension in meditation and the melon seed remedy.
Nocturnal pollutions push one back in accordance with the magnitude of the fault. This means that while such acts are involuntary, they carry deeper consequences in terms of how much energy or will one invests into such acts, whether consciously or not.
Defeating the Guardian of the Threshold signifies that you have proven some degree of commitment and sincerity to the path, not that you have conquered (comprehended and eliminated) all of your lust.
We overcome ourselves in degrees. This is why the path exists. If we fall, we retrogress and have to struggle twice as hard to regain what we have lost. This is why initiation is demanding.
There are many people who have learned how to leave the path of pain and suffering, and it is through this: comprehend and eliminate your lust in meditation.
People who suffer nocturnal pollutions should learn to meditate every morning from 3 to 4 am, during the morning hours when such pollutions are common. Transmute the sexual energy through prayer, mantra, japa, or pranayama if you are single.
Married couples can learn to transmute together and therefore learn how to redirect the sexual energy, so that even if lustful dreams occur, the energies are trained to circulate positively within oneself.
However, this is no guarantee, for as long as one has lust, one is vulnerable.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Accepted Answer
Nocturnal emissions, involuntary seminal ejaculation or wet dreams, is fornication, orgasm, and loss of sexual energy through lust.
The Minor Mysteries are accomplished through chastity. This is why meditation and comprehension of lustful egos, including those that produce nocturnal pollutions, is necessary.
Remember that while nocturnal pollutions are an obstacle, they can be healed through comprehension in meditation and the melon seed remedy.
Nocturnal pollutions push one back in accordance with the magnitude of the fault. This means that while such acts are involuntary, they carry deeper consequences in terms of how much energy or will one invests into such acts, whether consciously or not.
Defeating the Guardian of the Threshold signifies that you have proven some degree of commitment and sincerity to the path, not that you have conquered (comprehended and eliminated) all of your lust.
We overcome ourselves in degrees. This is why the path exists. If we fall, we retrogress and have to struggle twice as hard to regain what we have lost. This is why initiation is demanding.
There are many people who have learned how to leave the path of pain and suffering, and it is through this: comprehend and eliminate your lust in meditation.
People who suffer nocturnal pollutions should learn to meditate every morning from 3 to 4 am, during the morning hours when such pollutions are common. Transmute the sexual energy through prayer, mantra, japa, or pranayama if you are single.
Married couples can learn to transmute together and therefore learn how to redirect the sexual energy, so that even if lustful dreams occur, the energies are trained to circulate positively within oneself.
However, this is no guarantee, for as long as one has lust, one is vulnerable.
The Minor Mysteries are accomplished through chastity. This is why meditation and comprehension of lustful egos, including those that produce nocturnal pollutions, is necessary.
Remember that while nocturnal pollutions are an obstacle, they can be healed through comprehension in meditation and the melon seed remedy.
Nocturnal pollutions push one back in accordance with the magnitude of the fault. This means that while such acts are involuntary, they carry deeper consequences in terms of how much energy or will one invests into such acts, whether consciously or not.
Defeating the Guardian of the Threshold signifies that you have proven some degree of commitment and sincerity to the path, not that you have conquered (comprehended and eliminated) all of your lust.
We overcome ourselves in degrees. This is why the path exists. If we fall, we retrogress and have to struggle twice as hard to regain what we have lost. This is why initiation is demanding.
There are many people who have learned how to leave the path of pain and suffering, and it is through this: comprehend and eliminate your lust in meditation.
People who suffer nocturnal pollutions should learn to meditate every morning from 3 to 4 am, during the morning hours when such pollutions are common. Transmute the sexual energy through prayer, mantra, japa, or pranayama if you are single.
Married couples can learn to transmute together and therefore learn how to redirect the sexual energy, so that even if lustful dreams occur, the energies are trained to circulate positively within oneself.
However, this is no guarantee, for as long as one has lust, one is vulnerable.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
SilentWhisper
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I appreciate your question SilentWhisper.
You asked this is a very clear way and I too have the same experience.
Certainly the more I pray and avidly avoid images I have less dreams. But it seems once a month I will have one or two of the emissions within a day before, during, or after the full moon.
The melon seed remedy has helped very much during the days surrounding this event but mostly it seems my body takes the opportunity with or without images in dreams to release some of the energy. Lastly I feel, after it occurring many times, that when I stopped reprimanding myself for the event and just noticed the event without judgement, it has become less and less frequent.
You asked this is a very clear way and I too have the same experience.
Certainly the more I pray and avidly avoid images I have less dreams. But it seems once a month I will have one or two of the emissions within a day before, during, or after the full moon.
The melon seed remedy has helped very much during the days surrounding this event but mostly it seems my body takes the opportunity with or without images in dreams to release some of the energy. Lastly I feel, after it occurring many times, that when I stopped reprimanding myself for the event and just noticed the event without judgement, it has become less and less frequent.
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