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I have a question about Milarepa, in a lecture about kundalini the instructor says Milarepa used the technique of Tummo inner heat/transmutation of sexual energies and eventually became a fully developed Bodhisattva. But in a conversation with samael that was recently transcribed on this site, a disciple asked the master about Milarepa and the master says he is a nirvani, that nirvana swallowed him up.
So does this mean that Milarepa didn’t reach full development as a Bodhisattva, therefore didn’t reach Shunyata/the absolute, or was Samael referring to the absolute when he said Milarepa was swallowed up by Nirvana?
Thank you, and God bless. ?
My prayers go out to you for your health and well-being in this time that we find ourselves in. ?
I have a question about Milarepa, in a lecture about kundalini the instructor says Milarepa used the technique of Tummo inner heat/transmutation of sexual energies and eventually became a fully developed Bodhisattva. But in a conversation with samael that was recently transcribed on this site, a disciple asked the master about Milarepa and the master says he is a nirvani, that nirvana swallowed him up.
So does this mean that Milarepa didn’t reach full development as a Bodhisattva, therefore didn’t reach Shunyata/the absolute, or was Samael referring to the absolute when he said Milarepa was swallowed up by Nirvana?
Thank you, and God bless. ?
Accepted Answer
A clear distinction between the straight path and the path of the cosmocreator Elohim must be established:
Also, many bodhisattvas fall on purpose to rise again and gain greater hierarchy amongst the Logoi, thus becoming entangled within the karma of the worlds:
9. The first path is the Logoic path, the path of starry skies, the spiral path of the Firmament.Many masters who would otherwise march towards the 13th Aeon become obsessed by cosmic, Logoic hierarchy and are therefore swallowed by Nirvana:
10. The second is the long path of bitterness and woe that takes us to the very gates of the Absolute.
21. The Nirvanic path is a path of happiness, where through many Mahamanvantaras the Gods liberate themselves from the planetary masses to finally enter the indescribable bliss of the Absolute.Many bodhisattvas become great gods, angels, hierarchs within this universe, but still remain attached to omniscience. One must renounce all power in order to enter the Unmanifested Absolute.
22. Nevertheless, there are certain Logoi—like the God Sirius, governor of about eighteen million constellations—who still have not managed to be liberated from the cosmos, in order to enter the Absolute. -Samael Aun Weor, Christ's Will
Also, many bodhisattvas fall on purpose to rise again and gain greater hierarchy amongst the Logoi, thus becoming entangled within the karma of the worlds:
“Those who became gods were devils before; the most divine gods are those who were devils.”Milarepa was swallowed by Nirvana, meaning: the Logoic path. He has not yet gained the right to enter the Ain like Jesus, a Paramarthasattya.
"Demons are transformed into gods” — that is one of the great mysteries... I am divulging nothing less than the secret of the abyss.
As for my part, I tell you frankly, thanks to my inner God I attained the degree of cosmocreator with descents into the abyss, but now I only crave one thing: to step away from the path of the cosmocreators, if this is what my Father wants as well, and to follow the path to the Absolute. Why? Because, for example, I see the god Sirius: how many times has the god Sirius descended into the abyss? How many times did the soul of that god go through the Second Death in order to become now the governor of the Milky Way? Therefore, that is a path in which one entangles in the karma of the worlds. Therefore, it is better to reach the Absolute. -Samael Aun Weor, Cosmic Transmigration of Souls
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Yes, it is wrong to fall. Descents are different.
Masters who fall always want to gain greater hierarchies, such as the God Sirius who became a demon many times and rose again many times.
However, when rising and falling and rising again, one complicates their karma and becomes attached to omniscience in this universe, which is why Samael Aun Weor stated it is better to renounce this cycle and go straight into the Absolute.
Masters who fall always want to gain greater hierarchies, such as the God Sirius who became a demon many times and rose again many times.
However, when rising and falling and rising again, one complicates their karma and becomes attached to omniscience in this universe, which is why Samael Aun Weor stated it is better to renounce this cycle and go straight into the Absolute.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Also, many bodhisattvas fall on purpose to rise again and gain greater hierarchy amongst the Logoi, thus becoming entangled within the karma of the worlds:
But I thought this was wrong? Isn't it what Jahve and the other terrible demons did? They precipitated themselves in the abyss to eventually achieve higher enlightenment? What is the difference between them and the God Sirius?
But I thought this was wrong? Isn't it what Jahve and the other terrible demons did? They precipitated themselves in the abyss to eventually achieve higher enlightenment? What is the difference between them and the God Sirius?
Accepted Answer
A clear distinction between the straight path and the path of the cosmocreator Elohim must be established:
Also, many bodhisattvas fall on purpose to rise again and gain greater hierarchy amongst the Logoi, thus becoming entangled within the karma of the worlds:
9. The first path is the Logoic path, the path of starry skies, the spiral path of the Firmament.Many masters who would otherwise march towards the 13th Aeon become obsessed by cosmic, Logoic hierarchy and are therefore swallowed by Nirvana:
10. The second is the long path of bitterness and woe that takes us to the very gates of the Absolute.
21. The Nirvanic path is a path of happiness, where through many Mahamanvantaras the Gods liberate themselves from the planetary masses to finally enter the indescribable bliss of the Absolute.Many bodhisattvas become great gods, angels, hierarchs within this universe, but still remain attached to omniscience. One must renounce all power in order to enter the Unmanifested Absolute.
22. Nevertheless, there are certain Logoi—like the God Sirius, governor of about eighteen million constellations—who still have not managed to be liberated from the cosmos, in order to enter the Absolute. -Samael Aun Weor, Christ's Will
Also, many bodhisattvas fall on purpose to rise again and gain greater hierarchy amongst the Logoi, thus becoming entangled within the karma of the worlds:
“Those who became gods were devils before; the most divine gods are those who were devils.”Milarepa was swallowed by Nirvana, meaning: the Logoic path. He has not yet gained the right to enter the Ain like Jesus, a Paramarthasattya.
"Demons are transformed into gods” — that is one of the great mysteries... I am divulging nothing less than the secret of the abyss.
As for my part, I tell you frankly, thanks to my inner God I attained the degree of cosmocreator with descents into the abyss, but now I only crave one thing: to step away from the path of the cosmocreators, if this is what my Father wants as well, and to follow the path to the Absolute. Why? Because, for example, I see the god Sirius: how many times has the god Sirius descended into the abyss? How many times did the soul of that god go through the Second Death in order to become now the governor of the Milky Way? Therefore, that is a path in which one entangles in the karma of the worlds. Therefore, it is better to reach the Absolute. -Samael Aun Weor, Cosmic Transmigration of Souls
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
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