"Jahve is a fallen angel. Beelzebub was just a demon who never knew the white path.
So my question here is, how is it possible that Beelzebub, never knew of white tantra? I mean everyone in Atlantis had to know of these knowledge. How would he have only known only black sexual magic, I mean everyone in the Continents of Atlantis practiced white sexual magic, everyone transmuted they're semen, no one would have dared too for instance Masturbate, think about Lust of other people, or even dared to ejaculate there semen while having sex. These was the great law in Atlantis; that is why it was a paradise, a earthly paradise as the bible say (The garden of Eden), until the Lucifer's or Satan's came to earth physically and started to teach everyone black sexual magic publicly, that is; spill the semen by getting the orgasm. So how would it be possible for he to not have known these knowledge, since everyone in the Continents of Atlantis lived by these knowledge.
1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?
2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
7 And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.
Audience: You mentioned how the angels choose to fall or choose to descend. These fallen angels like Moloch and Bael, do they fall or descend and will they be purified? And they will be Masters or are they eternal dark forces?
Instructor: What happened is that the fallen angels took the left path. It is not like some naively think, "Oh, they didn't know.” No, they knew. That is why we use this conjuration in order to reject them in the name of the superior angels. They knew what they were doing, thus what they want is to acquire another level of reasoning, and they know that in order to receive a higher level of reasoning they need to fall or descend. When they do not like the level they have, they then descended, but most of them fall. In other words, you fall when you fornicate and ejaculate the Ens Seminis; you descend when you renounce your degree and go down in order to practice alchemy again. You must renounce all of your power in order to acquire another level of reasoning. So, there are two ways of acquiring another degree: by falling or descending. Obviously, these fallen angels fell in order to go up again. They have to disintegrate their ego, but before disintegrating their ego they have to pay the Katancia and Karma that they owe. Do you know how much karma these demons are developing? If they decide to go up they will suffer a lot, because nobody mocks the law, and that is why they prefer to be in hell because they cannot go up easily.
Audience: Did Master Samael Aun Weor fall or descend?
Speaker: The Master Samael said in his books that he fell three times. One time in Mexico I talked to him about this matter, because he had fallen, but he rose back up. “What is the difference between you and those who are very down here?”
“Well,” he said. “They fell very deep. I fell, but not too deep. They are very deep and they are taking the lunar path, which is a path that I would never take. I was a fallen angel but I rose again. I fell because I fell in love with a woman, and sex for me was forbidden, but when I performed sex with her, I lost everything.”
Yet, Moloch, Bael, they fell not because of falling in love but because they wanted more power, and that's different. They did it on purpose. They are still following that path, so they become the negative aspect of the forces of heaven. Sooner or later they have to go up, either they do it through the solar path or lunar path, that is, by being annihilated in hell, because hell will eventually destroy them, and then the only thing that will remain from them will be the Auric Embryo, and they know that. They cannot lose their Mastery; nevertheless, they have to suffer a lot in order to pay what they owe. After that they can rise again from mineral, plant, animal and eventually going up, but who knows when. This is too much karma for them.
- A gnostic Instructor