Friday, 21 October 2016
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Recently listened to the lecture: Involution, Evolution, Devolution, Revolution, and it brings up many questions for me:

1) What is the difference between the Being, the Spirit and the Consciousness? Or is there any?
2) If our consciousness has evolved through the kingdoms of mineral, plant, animal, to humanoid; then where along this progression did we develop our egos?
3) Is it correct that we only get 108 lifetimes (chances) as an intellectual animal to evolve into a human being?
4) Can humanoids be in a state of devolution? Or does devolvement only occur when a consciousness recedes back into the lower (animal, plant, mineral) kingdoms. (Some people seem so utterly ignorant that there appears to be no hope, and they would seem to be working themselves “out”.)
5) In the lecture the instructor refers to our humanity as traveling this current root race as a herd. If we are a collective group and we are approaching the end of this cycle would it be safe to assume the majority of us are encountering our last opportunities for spiritual progression? (in other words: coming to the end of our 108 allotted lifetimes?)

Thank so much for your help,
Peace
6 years ago
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#12861
Accepted Answer
1) You said that our ego is “mostly” formed in the humanoid kingdom. Would this mean that we did not enter our first incarnation—as a humanoid—with a clean slate?


When you were born into this lifetime, you did not begin with a "clean slate." Everything about you was determined by previous actions. The same is true of our first entry into the humanoid body. In this way, we can say "there is no beginning." Instead, we have to understand that everything is interconnected, interdependent, and lacking inherent existence, ie. existing on its own, independently. The "ego" exists because of causes and conditions. Without those, it would not exist. So, if you want a clean slate, you have to remove those cause and conditions.

2) If # 1 is the case then it would mean that we either created our karma as a single or two brained entity (which would indicate we had free choice), or our developing consciousness was carrying residual karma which was inherent from the initial unfoldment. Or are both my assumptions incorrect?


"We" do not exist as an individual. We are aggregates that presume to have individuality. We are asleep, dreaming that we "are." In that dreaming state, we are both the result of a current of collective actions, and a contributor to the growth of that current. Observe a flock of birds: each bird appears to be an individual, and act as such, but in reality they are a collective, communal stream, with consciousness dipping in and out of bodies over time. Humanoids are the same, only with slightly more "definition." From this point of view, one can begin to see that we do not yet have any idea what "free will" is. We create free will when we create the Causal Body.

3) Is the story from Genesis about Adam & Eve being put out of the Garden of Eden the story of us initially beginning our cycle of 108 lifetimes?

Yes, that story bears that implication, but conveys far more than that.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#12851
1) What is the difference between the Being, the Spirit and the Consciousness? Or is there any?

Yes and no. These terms are relative. The Tree of Life depicts the entirety of the Being, which we hope to integrate. The Spirit and Consciousness are two parts that are not yet integrated, even though they are connected in their depth. The Spirit is the Innermost (Atman, Chesed), our personal, inner Father. The Consciousness is the human soul (Manas, Tiphereth) who through development eventually integrates everything together. A spark of that consciousness is what we experience here as attention, perception, awareness, understanding.

2) If our consciousness has evolved through the kingdoms of mineral, plant, animal, to humanoid; then where along this progression did we develop our egos?

The animal mind develops throughout that process. It becomes "ego" according to cause and effect: as a consequence of performing harmful actions, which is mostly in the humanoid kingdom.

3) Is it correct that we only get 108 lifetimes (chances) as an intellectual animal to evolve into a human being?

Yes.

4) Can humanoids be in a state of devolution? Or does devolvement only occur when a consciousness recedes back into the lower (animal, plant, mineral) kingdoms. (Some people seem so utterly ignorant that there appears to be no hope, and they would seem to be working themselves “out”.)

The ego is not evolving, it is the devolving animal mind. If one has the ego alive, one is devolving. Therefore, this entire humanity is devolving.

5) In the lecture the instructor refers to our humanity as traveling this current root race as a herd. If we are a collective group and we are approaching the end of this cycle would it be safe to assume the majority of us are encountering our last opportunities for spiritual progression? (in other words: coming to the end of our 108 allotted lifetimes?)

Yes.

This book goes deep into all these matters:

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#12853
3) Is it correct that we only get 108 lifetimes (chances) as an intellectual animal to evolve into a human being?


Are we to understand the number 108 to be literally or as a symbol?

The exact angle inside a pentagon has 108 degrees. Do you see any connection?
6 years ago
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#12856
thank you for the answers, and the book recommendation. Your answers did raise a few more questions:

1) You said that our ego is “mostly” formed in the humanoid kingdom. Would this mean that we did not enter our first incarnation—as a humanoid—with a clean slate?

2) If # 1 is the case then it would mean that we either created our karma as a single or two brained entity (which would indicate we had free choice), or our developing consciousness was carrying residual karma which was inherent from the initial unfoldment. Or are both my assumptions incorrect?

3) Is the story from Genesis about Adam & Eve being put out of the Garden of Eden the story of us initially beginning our cycle of 108 lifetimes?
6 years ago
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#12860
3) Is it correct that we only get 108 lifetimes (chances) as an intellectual animal to evolve into a human being?


Are we to understand the number 108 to be literally or as a symbol?

The exact angle inside a pentagon has 108 degrees. Do you see any connection?


It is literal, but subject to modification by action and intelligence.

The value 108 appears all around us, but we are blind to it. It has tremendous significance but the intellect can never apprehend it.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#12861
Accepted Answer
1) You said that our ego is “mostly” formed in the humanoid kingdom. Would this mean that we did not enter our first incarnation—as a humanoid—with a clean slate?


When you were born into this lifetime, you did not begin with a "clean slate." Everything about you was determined by previous actions. The same is true of our first entry into the humanoid body. In this way, we can say "there is no beginning." Instead, we have to understand that everything is interconnected, interdependent, and lacking inherent existence, ie. existing on its own, independently. The "ego" exists because of causes and conditions. Without those, it would not exist. So, if you want a clean slate, you have to remove those cause and conditions.

2) If # 1 is the case then it would mean that we either created our karma as a single or two brained entity (which would indicate we had free choice), or our developing consciousness was carrying residual karma which was inherent from the initial unfoldment. Or are both my assumptions incorrect?


"We" do not exist as an individual. We are aggregates that presume to have individuality. We are asleep, dreaming that we "are." In that dreaming state, we are both the result of a current of collective actions, and a contributor to the growth of that current. Observe a flock of birds: each bird appears to be an individual, and act as such, but in reality they are a collective, communal stream, with consciousness dipping in and out of bodies over time. Humanoids are the same, only with slightly more "definition." From this point of view, one can begin to see that we do not yet have any idea what "free will" is. We create free will when we create the Causal Body.

3) Is the story from Genesis about Adam & Eve being put out of the Garden of Eden the story of us initially beginning our cycle of 108 lifetimes?

Yes, that story bears that implication, but conveys far more than that.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#12863
Thank you!
Your answer also confirms and expands what I'm just recently learning with the work done through meditation.

Peace
2 months ago
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#28038
4) Can humanoids be in a state of devolution? Or does devolvement only occur when a consciousness recedes back into the lower (animal, plant, mineral) kingdoms. (Some people seem so utterly ignorant that there appears to be no hope, and they would seem to be working themselves “out”.)

The ego is not evolving, it is the devolving animal mind. If one has the ego alive, one is devolving. Therefore, this entire humanity is devolving.

From the Gnostic Students YouTube channel, there was a lecture explaining the symbolism behind the Genesis story. It was mentioned that, "even a shred of ego can send you to hell."
Now, I understand that one must be purified in relation to how much ego they carry. At first glance, my thought was, great, there's a chance to reduce the suffering in hell by reducing the ego as much as one can.

But then, another thought came to my mind. If evolution is a curve of momentum, and if a person exhausts their human lives with "a shred of ego" remaining, is this rather comparable to a small rock rolling down a snow-covered mountain? Something that is minor at first, but can accumulate severely?
2 months ago
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#28041
Yes. The only certain way to avoid suffering is to become completely pure.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

2 months ago
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#28047
Yes. The only certain way to avoid suffering is to become completely pure.
:o Thank you for your usual prompt response. But, if human lives have been exhausted and there is a small amount of ego remaining, this would mean that one would reincarnate as an advanced, intelligent animal first, such as a predator; a wolf or hawk? But in this case, this hawk would not be evolving most of them.
2 months ago
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#28048
If human lives have been exhausted and there is a small amount of ego remaining, the law can give additional lives so the work can continue.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

2 months ago
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#28054
If human lives have been exhausted and there is a small amount of ego remaining, the law can give additional lives so the work can continue.


Yusss...

Well then dear brother, I wish for us to meet again in the Andromeda galaxy, circa 2100 as E.T./human hybrid's continuing the work and spreading the teaching.
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