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Recently I have been reading Dion Fortune and Rudolf Steiner. Both of these authors make much of the distinction between Eastern and Western methods of esoteric practice. From what I have read in the master Samael's books, I understand that his teachings are a religion of synthesis of all religions.

I am confused on this issue so you won't find a clear question in this post. Instead, I will explain what I understand and hope that you can help me by correcting or confirming what I write.

From Dion Fortune's Esoteric Orders and Their Work:

Meditation and asceticism will bring the Eastern chela to the feet of his Master, but the Western initiator, working in the much denser material conditions of that civilisation, has to employ ritual to get his results - rituals that very few Eastern bodies could stand. The meditative methods of the East will not get results in the West unless the vitality is lowered, and it is a very risky thing to attempt to handle higher potencies on a lowered vitality; nor will the aspirant fare well in the rush and drive of our civilisation.


The fact that the Gnostic tradition of the master Samael does not encourage asceticism or vegetarianism, makes it seem more like what Dion Fortune is calling "Western". However, I haven't seen any rituals attempting to channel high potencies of energy in the Gnostic tradition, so in that respect, it seems more "Eastern".

The only "high energy" ritual I am aware of in Gnosis is sexual magic, but that seems to be prevalent in both Eastern and Western traditions.

From the above, I am guessing that the teaching of sexual magic, offered publicly, allows gnostic students to make contact with teachers in the higher planes without the need for ritual, thereby creating a new system of initiation that is neither Eastern nor Western. If so, then does that mean that the initiation system that Dion Fortune belonged to did not teach the Great Arcanum? That also seems unlikely to me because she alludes to it in her book, Esoteric Philosophy of Love and Marriage.
6 years ago
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#11379
Accepted Answer
First of all, study this:

http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/sacraments-of-the-gnostic-church.html

Secondly, consider this:

Unquestionably, the two greatest leaders of all time are the Buddha Gautama Sakyamuni and Jesus Christ. On a certain occasion, I had to present myself in a Buddhist monastery in Japan; I had the occasion of speaking on behalf of Christ. Since it was a Buddhist and not a Christian temple, and due to my approach, a certain scandal arose amongst the Buddhist brethren, and therefore a complaint was presented to the Master, who approached me and interrogated me as follows:

Q. “Why did you speak on behalf of Christ, knowing that this is a Buddhist Monastery?”

A. “With the most profound respect to this sacred institution, I have to emphatically affirm that Buddha and Christ complement each other.”

I was expecting a response from the Master’s point of view, yet with great amazement, I witnessed his agreement; he said:

“Indeed, Buddha and Christ complement each other; this is how it is…”

Then, he asked for a thread or cord, and when they brought it to him, he told me:

“Show me your right hand.”

When I showed him my right hand, he tied the thread on my thumb. Thereafter, he tied the same thread on the thumb on my left hand, and ended by saying in a Zen way: “Buddha and Christ complement each other…”

Then, I left that monastery, having perfectly understood the Koan. In the name of the truth, we have to recognize that this is a very wise Koan: Buddha and Christ are joined within us, because the right thumb represents the Christ and the left represents the Buddha: the two of them are two factors within us.

Buddha Siddhartha Gautama Sakyamuni brought the doctrine of the Inner Buddha to the world. Who is our Inner Buddha? The Innermost is the Buddha; in a rigorously theosophical, Sanskrit language the Inner Buddha of each one of us is Atman-Buddhi. So, Siddhartha Gautama Sakyamuni brought to us the doctrine of the Innermost. This is why it is written in the Testament of Learning: “Before the false dawn came over this earth, those who survived the hurricane and the storm gave praise to the Innermost, and to them appeared the heralds of the dawn.”

So, the Innermost is the Inner Buddha within each one of us. Nonetheless, it is true that the Innermost is not incarnated within the humanoids, because, certainly, we understand that the Innermost dwells in the Milky Way; yet, to each one of us is related an Inner Buddha, who dwells up there in the Galaxy.

In regards to Christ, this is a different matter. Jesus of Nazareth, the great Kabir, the great Gnostic Initiate, one of the most exalted members of the Essenian Order, who lived among them at the shores of the Dead Sea many centuries ago, brought to us the doctrine of the Inner Christ.
- Samael Aun Weor, "The Esoteric Path"
6 years ago
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#11379
Accepted Answer
First of all, study this:

http://gnosticteachings.org/courses/sacraments-of-the-gnostic-church.html

Secondly, consider this:

Unquestionably, the two greatest leaders of all time are the Buddha Gautama Sakyamuni and Jesus Christ. On a certain occasion, I had to present myself in a Buddhist monastery in Japan; I had the occasion of speaking on behalf of Christ. Since it was a Buddhist and not a Christian temple, and due to my approach, a certain scandal arose amongst the Buddhist brethren, and therefore a complaint was presented to the Master, who approached me and interrogated me as follows:

Q. “Why did you speak on behalf of Christ, knowing that this is a Buddhist Monastery?”

A. “With the most profound respect to this sacred institution, I have to emphatically affirm that Buddha and Christ complement each other.”

I was expecting a response from the Master’s point of view, yet with great amazement, I witnessed his agreement; he said:

“Indeed, Buddha and Christ complement each other; this is how it is…”

Then, he asked for a thread or cord, and when they brought it to him, he told me:

“Show me your right hand.”

When I showed him my right hand, he tied the thread on my thumb. Thereafter, he tied the same thread on the thumb on my left hand, and ended by saying in a Zen way: “Buddha and Christ complement each other…”

Then, I left that monastery, having perfectly understood the Koan. In the name of the truth, we have to recognize that this is a very wise Koan: Buddha and Christ are joined within us, because the right thumb represents the Christ and the left represents the Buddha: the two of them are two factors within us.

Buddha Siddhartha Gautama Sakyamuni brought the doctrine of the Inner Buddha to the world. Who is our Inner Buddha? The Innermost is the Buddha; in a rigorously theosophical, Sanskrit language the Inner Buddha of each one of us is Atman-Buddhi. So, Siddhartha Gautama Sakyamuni brought to us the doctrine of the Innermost. This is why it is written in the Testament of Learning: “Before the false dawn came over this earth, those who survived the hurricane and the storm gave praise to the Innermost, and to them appeared the heralds of the dawn.”

So, the Innermost is the Inner Buddha within each one of us. Nonetheless, it is true that the Innermost is not incarnated within the humanoids, because, certainly, we understand that the Innermost dwells in the Milky Way; yet, to each one of us is related an Inner Buddha, who dwells up there in the Galaxy.

In regards to Christ, this is a different matter. Jesus of Nazareth, the great Kabir, the great Gnostic Initiate, one of the most exalted members of the Essenian Order, who lived among them at the shores of the Dead Sea many centuries ago, brought to us the doctrine of the Inner Christ.
- Samael Aun Weor, "The Esoteric Path"
6 years ago
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#11392
I will study the sacraments course. Thank you.

Are the lectures of this course based on Krumm-Heller's La Iglesia Gnostica?
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