Wednesday, 23 December 2015
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Hi, I have been studying Theosophy alongside the teachings of Samael Aun Weor, and I have noticed some very important differences. The most outstanding one being in regard to sex. As this pertains to the very real possibility of losing ones soul, I quote here at some length from H.P. Blavatsky, and the Mahatmas. [capital letters are italicized in original]

Questions on Yoga-Vidya:

'Q. - Can a married man acquire the Vidya?

'A. - No, not while a Grihastha. You know the invariable rule was that a boy was placed at a tender age under his guru for this training; he stopped with him until he was twenty-five to thirty; then lived as a married man fifteen to twenty years; finally retired to the forest to resume his spiritual studies. The use of liquors, of beef, and certain other meats and certain vegetables, and the relations of marriage prevent spiritual development.'

- Blavatsky Collected Writings, vol. 3, p. 27

'In Egypt, in days of old, the marriage service contained an article that the woman should be the 'lady of the lord,' and real lord over him, the husband pledging himself to be 'obedient to his wife' for the production of alchemical results such as the elixir of life and the philosopher's stone, for the SPIRITUAL help of the woman was needed by the male alchemist. But woe to the alchemist who should take this in the dead-letter sense of PHYSICAL union. Such sacrilege would become black magic and be followed by certain failure. The true alchemist of old took AGED women to help him, carefully avoiding the young ones; and if any of them happened to be married they treated their wives for months both before and during OPERATIONS as sisters.'

- Blavatsky Collected Writings 12, p. 533

From Thoughts on the Elementals

' It has been said elsewhere, that white magic differed very little from practices of sorcery except in effects and results - good or bad motive being everything. Many of the preliminary rules and conditions to enter societies of adepts, whether of the Right or the Left Path, are also identical in many things. Thus Gabalis says to the author: 'The Sages will never admit you into their society if you do not renounce from this very present a Thing which cannot stand in competition with Wisdom. You must renounce all carnal Commerce with Women.'

'This is sine qua non with practical Occultists - Rosicrucians or Yogis, Europeans or Asiatics.

The eastern occultists consider the ‘sexual relation . . . as a “Karma” pertaining only to the mundane relation of man, who is dominated by Illusion, a thing to be put aside, the moment that the person becomes “wise.” They considered it a most fortunate circumstance if the Guru (teacher) found in his pupil an aptitude for the pure life of Brahmacharya.’ (SD 2:458)

‘[N]o one can properly or with safety enter on the study of Practical Occultism, in the real sense of the word, unless he or she is a celibate . . . The Spinal Cord puts into connection the Brain and the Generative Organs, and this connection is further strengthened by the Sympathetic System. The Cord, however, gives an open passage, which opens into the important cavities of the Brain. Excitement of the Generative Organs sends up impulses and subtle essences to the Brain by way of the spinal canals. Now the three vital airs are ruled by the Will, and Will and Desire are the higher and lower aspects of one and the same thing. These airs . . . play in the canals, and hence the importance of their absolute purity. For if they soil the vital airs energized by the Will, disease results at the best, Black Magic at the worst. Therefore all sexual intercourse is forbidden to the students of Practical Occultism.’ (BCW 12:702)

True Eastern Esotericism maintains that all the contents of the reproductive system have a direct spiritual connection with their cosmic antetypes and are therefore potent objects in black magic here on the physical plane and thus are considered unclean.

Blavatsky collected writings vol. 12

Tantra (Sk.). Lit., “rule or ritual”. Certain mystical and magical works, whose chief peculiarity is the worship of the female power, personified in Sakti. Devî or Durgâ (Kâlî, Siva’s wife) is the special energy connected with sexual rites and magical powers-THE WORST FORM OF BLACK MAGIC OR SORCERY.

THEOSOPHICAL GLOSSERY

“No Adept ever marries.” – H.P. Blavatsky

And here are some quotes from the Masters themselves.


" Occult Science is a jealous mistress and allows not a shadow of self-indulgence; and it is "fatal" not only to the ordinary course of married life but even to flesh and wine drinking"
Master K.H

It is true that the married man cannot be an Adept.” (The Master K.H. in The Mahatma Letters, p. 17.)

Ibid. (p. 272 by Master M): – “The Dugpas and the Gelugpas are not fighting in Tibet alone: see their vile work in England among the ‘Occultists’ and ‘Seers’! Hear your acquaintance – preaching, like a true ‘Hierophant of the left-hand,’ the marriage of the ‘soul with the spirit’ and getting the true definitions topsy-turvy, seek to prove that every practicing Hierophant must at least be spiritually married – if for some reason he cannot do so physically, there being otherwise a great danger of Adulteration of God and Devil! I tell you the Shammars [Dugpas, or Black Magicians] are there already, and their pernicious work is everywhere in our way.”

So here we have the greatest occultist in the history of western civilization saying that sex magic is black magic. How do we reconcile this?


Sincerely, a student of THEOSOPHIA.
6 years ago
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So, the question is why did Samael teach pranayama( the suppression of the vital breath not the Will breath of the Raja Yogis) if it could lead to mediumship?
Any sort of transmutation exercise can lead to negative outcomes if practiced incorrectly or outside of its proper context. That is why we don't take isolated teachings from Samael Aun Weor, but rather practice the entire corpus of his work. Pranayama is useful and beneficial if done properly.
Where does Samael Aun Weor fit in to this? He began teaching in 1950 a full 25 years before 1975.
Samael Aun Weor is not an isolated case of a violation of the "law" that you are proposing. Paracelsus, Master M, Krishnamurti, Atisha, and even Tsong Khapa are all additional counter examples to that supposed "law." There are sufficiently many examples of Masters who have appeared and taught outside of the final 25 years of a given century to conclude that either 1) Blavatsky was wrong, or 2) your literal interpretation of her teachings is incorrect.

This forum is dedicated to clarifying the teachings of Samael Aun Weor, so we are not going to offer guidance about how to better read the teachings of Blavatsky, but as general advice, we encourage our students to meditate on what they read, regardless of who the teacher is.
Was Samael Aun Weor wrong in calling him a great master?
Maybe. I don't recall any place where Samael called him a master. I know he spoke rather critically of Leadbeater's teachings in Hell, Devil, and Karma as well as Esoteric Medicine and Practical Magic. Maybe Samael called Leadbeater a master in other contexts. I don't know. If he did, it's quite possible that Samael was referring to Leadbeater's Inner Being.

And maybe the accusations against Leadbeater are unfounded. I don't know that either. I have never met Leadbeater myself, and I certainly don't consider things I've read on random sites around the Internet enough to condemn a man I've never met.
So, not only did she assert she was a virgin, but it was verified by doctors. How could Samael Aun Weor say she was married to H.S. Olcott and practiced sex magic? How do we reconcile this?
I'm not an expert on medicine, nor was I the one who examined Blavatasky, so I wouldn't know enough about this particular subject to be able to comment intelligently on the details of Blavatsky's sex life.

As it stands, this is a discussion about the most private details of the personal life of someone that neither one of us knew, so trying to ascertain any semblance of truth from the few scraps of information we can glean from 100-year old letters seems like a futile effort. Maybe the certificate was forged, maybe the condition rectified itself sometime after the doctor performed that examination, maybe Blavatsky was using the word "virgin" in the symbolic sense, in the same way that it applied to Mary and the other early practitioners of tantra who used the Virgine Subintroductis. There are any number of possible things that might have happened that would be completely invisible to historical investigators. The point is that it is impossible to know for sure, so it serves no purpose to waste time and energy spinning your wheels when you can't go anywhere.

Also, as an observation, most of the things you have mentioned here seem to have no bearing whatsoever on the quality or depth of your practice. Your first question about pranayama seems somewhat useful, and it is important to be clear on how to properly practice it, so I encourage you to carefully contemplate my response. However, I fail to see how your final two questions about Leadbeater's and Blavatsky's personal lives can have any positive bearing on your spiritual development. As far as I can tell, they amount to little more than gossip about people you don't know. My advice to you would be to free your mind from its fascination with such things so you can dedicate a greater deal of your attention and effort to endeavors that can actually produce good fruit.
6 years ago
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A lot of these quotations from Blavatsky require context in order to go deep within her wisdom and to reconcile seemingly antithetical concepts.
'Q. - Can a married man acquire the Vidya?

'A. - No, not while a Grihastha.
A Grihanstha, or householder, is any fornicator who identifies with carnal, married life, not divine, married life that is founded upon chastity or transmutation.
Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled (from fornication, orgasm): but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge. -Hebrew 13:4

Sex: to all hair-shirted despisers of the body, their thorn and stake, and cursed as "world" among all the afterworldly because it mocks and fools all teachers of error and confusion.

Sex: for the rabble, the slow fire on which they are burned; for all worm-eaten wood and all stinking rags, the ever-ready rut and oven.

Sex: for free hearts, innocent and free, the garden happiness of the earth, the future's exuberant gratitude to the present.

Sex: only for the wilted, a sweet poison; for the lion-willed, however, the great invigoration of the heart and the reverently reserved wine of wines.

Sex: the happiness that is the great parable of a higher happiness and the highest hope. For to many is marriage promised, and more than marriage—to many who are stranger to each other than man and woman. And who can wholly comprehend how strange man and woman are to each other?

Sex—but I want to have fences around my thoughts and even around my words, lest swine and swooners break into my garden! -Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra
The perfect matrimony, the path of the lion-willed Bodhisattvas, is contrary to being a householder, a Grihanstha or wilted fornicator, who indulges in the sweet poison of the orgasm.
The use of liquors, of beef, and certain other meats and certain vegetables, and the relations of marriage prevent spiritual development.'
What type of marriage is Blavatsky speaking here? It is important to keep her explanations in context. She is talking about a marriage founded upon lust, fornication, not scientific chastity, which is the definition of an "honorable marriage, and the bed undefiled."

We also have to remember that Blavatsky was teaching innumerable skeptics and fornicators, therefore the married life people are familiar with is precisely the path of sexual degeneration mentioned by all the great mystics and practitioners of both east and west. As I have quoted near the end of this post, you will see that Blavatsky was precluding, with her monumental writing, a science she was not fully authorized to unveil, which is precisely the divine function of sexuality.
But woe to the alchemist who should take this in the dead-letter sense of PHYSICAL union. Such sacrilege would become black magic and be followed by certain failure.
What kind of people was Blavatsky teaching? Fornicators. Therefore the physical union she is describing that is black magic is precisely the type of sexuality or sexual methods of reaching the orgasm that everyone knows and is familiar with, and which does not require training to know. This is "the dead letter" meaning of sex, not the "spirit that vivifies" within "the dead letter that kills."

Many theosophical students preach celibacy and reject sexual magic. What does Nietzsche say?
I love the forest. It is bad to live in cities: there too many are in heat. Is it not better to fall into the hands of a murderer [Divine Mother Death] than into the dreams of a woman in heat? [Kali, Durga, in the abyss of fornication: Lilith and Nahemah?] And behold these men: their eyes say it—they know of nothing better on earth than to lie with a woman. Mud is at the bottom of their souls; and woe if their mud also has spirit!

Would that you were as perfect as animals at least! But animals have innocence.

Do I counsel you to slay your senses [through repressing your sexuality]? I counsel the innocence of the senses [through the path of balance, comprehension, transformation of impressions and conquering sex through sexual magic].

Do I counsel you to chastity [sexual abstinence]? Chastity [sexual abstinence] is a virtue in some, but almost a vice in many. They abstain, but the bitch, sensuality, leers enviously out of everything they do. Even to the heights of their virtue and to the cold regions of the spirit this beast follows them with her lack of peace. And how nicely the bitch, sensuality, knows how to beg for a piece of spirit when denied a piece of meat.

...Verily, there are chaste [abstinent] ones from their very nature; they are gentler of heart, and laugh better and oftener than you.

They laugh also at chastity, and ask: "What is chastity [sexual abstinence]?

Is chastity not folly [when compared to sexual magic]? But the folly came unto us, and not we unto it [since we found the teachings when we were not married yet].

We offered that guest harbour and heart: now it dwelleth with us—let it stay as long as it will! [until the moment we find our destined spouse for alchemy!]" –Friedrich Nietzsche, Thus Spoke Zarathustra: On Chastity

The true alchemist of old took AGED women to help him, carefully avoiding the young ones; and if any of them happened to be married they treated their wives for months both before and during OPERATIONS as sisters.' -The Secret Doctrine
It is best for men and women to marry when they are more spiritually and sexually mature, especially after being trained as a disciple, brother, monk, and sister or nun, especially in a monastery under the auspices of abbots and spiritual teachings (which was ancient practice lost within the night of time). It is better for disciples entering into sexual magic to be trained as a single disciple first, a bachelor or bachelorette, so as to gain better preparation for controlling the sexual energy as a couple.

Blavatsky and Colonel Olcott were reportedly very close, and possessed training along the path of the monk, but we know from these teachings that they had practiced sexual magic in their privacy and discretion, having concealed the fact due to the scandals it would arise from fanatics, especially their celibate followers. So?
“No Adept ever marries.” – H.P. Blavatsky
There are levels among the Adepts. Those who resurrect are forbidden marriage, for as Samael Aun Weor wrote:
The Twice-born enter a secret temple, and if they were to have sex again, they would fall, losing all their powers. -Light from Darkness: Kundalini
Regarding Kali and Durga, the goddess of Hinduism is dual: above as Kundalini, and below as Kundabuffer. Master Blavatsky was denigrating the negative fire or Fohat, the Kundabuffer or tail of Satan.

Master K.H. is attributed to have said:
" Occult Science is a jealous mistress and allows not a shadow of self-indulgence; and it is "fatal" not only to the ordinary course of married life [which, ordinarily, "married" couples fornicate] but even to flesh and wine drinking" -Master K.H
As for the Dugpas and Gelugpas:
“The Dugpas and the Gelugpas are not fighting in Tibet alone: see their vile work in England among the ‘Occultists’ and ‘Seers’! Hear your acquaintance – preaching, like a true ‘Hierophant of the left-hand,’ the marriage of the ‘soul with the spirit’ and getting the true definitions topsy-turvy, seek to prove that every practicing Hierophant must at least be spiritually married – if for some reason he cannot do so physically, there being otherwise a great danger of Adulteration of God and Devil!
What Blavatsky taught about the black magicians of Tibet is true: they practice negative sexual magic with the spilling of the semen, proclaiming that they will achieve the union of soul and spirit through orgasm. This does not account for the teachings of white sexual magic, whereby the seminal forces are conserved and transformed.

I will conclude with some interesting words from Master Blavatsky about sexual magic and her prophesy of the writings of Samael Aun Weor:
The Promethean myth is a prophecy indeed; but it does not relate to any of the cyclic Saviours who have appeared periodically in various countries and among various nations, in their transitionary conditions of evolution. It points to the last of the mysteries of cyclic transformations, in the series of which mankind, having passed from the ethereal to the solid physical state, from spiritual to physiological procreation, is now carried onward on the opposite arc of the cycle, toward that second phase of its primitive state, when woman knew no man, and human progeny was created, not begotten.

That state will return to it and to the world at large, when the latter shall discover and really appreciate the truths which underlie this vast problem of sex. It will be like "the light that never shone on sea or land," and has to come to men through the Theosophical Society. That light will lead on and up to the true spiritual intuition. Then (as expressed once in a letter to a theosophist), "the world will have a race of Buddhas and Christs, for the world will have discovered that individuals have it in their own powers to procreate Buddha-like children -- or demons." "When that knowledge comes, all dogmatic religions, and with these the demons, will die out."

Quoted from The Secret Doctrine (1888), Vol. II by H. P. Blavatsky

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

6 years ago
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Thank you for the response and explanations. But, there appear to be some discrepancies that are still unresolved. First, regarding the practice of pranayama H.P. Blavatsky and the Masters have quite different views on the matter than Samael Aun Weor has. For example-

"Now, the science of Ha˜ha-Yoga rests upon the “suppression of breath,” or Prânâyâma, to which exercise our Masters, are unanimously opposed. For what is Prânâyâma? Literally translated, it means the “death of (vital) breath.” Prâna, as said, is not Jîva, the eternal fount of life immortal, nor is it connected in any way with Pranava, as some think, for Pranava is a synonym of AUM in a mystic sense. All that has ever been taught publicly and clearly about it is to be found in “Nature’s Finer Forces.” If such directions, however, are followed, they can only lead to black magic and mediumship. Several impatient Chelas, whom we knew personally in India, went in for the practice of Ha˜ha-Yoga, notwithstanding our warnings. Of these, two developed consumption, of which one died; the others became almost idiotic; another committed suicide; and one developed into a regular Tântrika, a black magician, but his career, fortunately for himself, was cut short by death.

The science of the five breaths––the moist, the fiery, the airy, etc., etc.––has a twofold significance and two applications. By the Tântrikas it is accepted literally, as relating to the regulation of the vital, lung breath, but by the ancient Râja-Yogis as referring to the mental or “will” breath, which alone leads to the highest clairvoyant powers, to the function of the Third Eye and the acquisition of the true Râja-Yoga occult powers. The difference between the two is enormous."

Blavatsky collected writings vol. 12

And

Master K.H. wrote that A. O. Hume had, "by the injudicious practice of pranayam, developed in himself to some extent mediumship — is tainted for life with it".

So, the question is why did Samael teach pranayama( the suppression of the vital breath not the Will breath of the Raja Yogis) if it could lead to mediumship?



Second, Blavatsky taught the Aquarian Age began in 1900. Not 1950 as Samael taught. And that there was the intersection of three very rare and important cycles in the last quarter of the 19th century. Quoting from the website Blavatsky Theosophy Group UK-

“The closing quarter of the 19th century was an extremely important and crucial period in humanity’s history and evolution. Three great cycles all intersected at the same time, a very rare and uncommon occurrence. The first 5,000 year cycle of the Kali Yuga was due to draw to a close between late 1897 and early 1898. The Age of Pisces was rapidly fading out and the New Age of Aquarius was to gradually begin its 2,155 year course from the dawning of the new century in 1900.

“In 14th century Tibet, Tsong Kha-pa – the reincarnation of Gautama Buddha – had ordained that the Esoteric Brotherhood was henceforth to send one of their own to the Western world in the closing quarter of each century, to help bring about further spiritual awakening and enlightenment. It was known and understood that only a particular 25 years in each century could be actively used for this purpose, such were and are the very real restrictions of Cyclic and Karmic Law."

“It was made clear that the cycle of open communications and new teachings from Masters would close in 1900 (the year HPB said the Aquarian Age was due to begin) and not re-open until 1975, lasting from 1975-2000 as you point out. This was presented as provisional, however, and dependent upon how well Theosophists would do their job and fulfill their appointed task. All that was required was 75 years of faithful work and earnest commitment to the lines clearly laid down by the Masters and HPB…but I’m sure you know as well as I do how many people long for “the latest teachings” and “fresh revelations” from “the Masters” and especially when they haven’t even bothered to properly study, assimilate, and apply those which have already been given out."


Here is H.P. Blavatsky's statements.

“I must tell you that during the last quarter of every hundred years an attempt is made by those “Masters,” of whom I have spoken, to help on the spiritual progress of Humanity in a marked and definite way. Towards the close of each century you will invariably find that an outpouring or upheaval of spirituality – or call it mysticism if you prefer – has taken place. Some one or more persons have appeared in the world as their agents, and a greater or less amount of occult knowledge and teaching has been given out. If you care to do so, you can trace these movements back, century by century, as far as our detailed historical records extend. … If the present attempt, in the form of our Society, succeeds better than its predecessors have done, then it will be in existence as an organized, living and healthy body when the time comes for the effort of the 20th century.”

– H.P. Blavatsky, “The Key to Theosophy” p. 306-307

No Master of Wisdom from the East will himself appear or send any one to Europe or America after that period, and the sluggards will have to renounce every chance of advancement in their present incarnation––until the year 1975. Such is the LAW, for we are in Kali Yuga––the Black Age––and the restrictions in this cycle, the first 5,000 years of which will expire in 1897, are great and almost insuperable.

from the PRELIMINARY MEMORANDUM TO THE ESOTERIC SECTION.

And this from W.Q. Judge co-founder of the Theosophical Society, an accepted chela of thirteen years standing with the Masters, and whom Blavatsky called her only friend.

“Nothing is more plain than that H.P. Blavatsky said, on the direct authority of the Masters, that in the last twenty-five years of each century an effort is made by the Lodge and its agents with the West, and that it [i.e. the effort] ceases in its direct and public form and influence with the twenty-fifth year. Those who believe her will believe this; those who think they know more about it than she did will invent other ideas suited to their fancies."

from his article THE CLOSING CYCLE.

Where does Samael Aun Weor fit in to this? He began teaching in 1950 a full 25 years before 1975.



Third, is the question of C.W. Leadbeater. Most of us probably know about the accusations made against him, that he was teaching the boys in his care masturbation. I thought the same thing, that they were just accusations until I encountered the historical facts. Quoting from the same website sited previously-

"The fact that Leadbeater admitted under oath in 1906 to having performed sexual acts on young boys in his care on numerous occasions and often in ongoing circumstances. This confession, which he made after complaints and allegations from several boys, quite rightly resulted in his being forced out of the Theosophical Society in shame and disgrace, only to later be invited back and readmitted by Annie Besant, much to the disgust of many other Theosophists."

" The fact that he was secretly a member of a sexual magic group in Australia during the latter part of his life when he lived there, having been introduced to the group by James Wedgwood, his fellow co-founding “Bishop” of the Liberal Catholic Church, whose disgraceful and sickening antics and abuse of young boys are not worth repeating"

" The fact that he inculcated a secret teaching and practice amongst specially selected members of the Society, which was referred to as “the X. teaching,” where the select few were instructed to regularly practice masturbation whilst focussing their minds and imagination upon the “Solar Logos” and that he also taught and personally practiced such things with groups of boy pupils, who were also sworn to secrecy, although one or two of them later revealed and confessed the facts, after Leadbeater had died."

"The fact that he was frequently under investigation by the police and considered by them “a person of interest” due to both rumours and accusations of paedophilia which unfailingly arose wherever he went."

" The fact that he repeatedly fabricated stories of meetings with Masters, such as the account told with great sincerity and emotion in his book “The Masters and The Path” of having met the Master Morya physically and in person in London in 1851 when he was “four years old” and around the same time that HPB had met the Master there in London. The discovery after Leadbeater’s death that he had actually not been born until 1854 casts this tale in its true and consciously deceptive light. And if this was just a fraudulent fantasy, then why not all the others?"

"The fact that eyewitnesses reported having seen him perform indecent acts upon the young Krishnamurti and that Krishnamurti in later years when asked about Leadbeater would only say “That man was evil.”

"Even in his old age in the 1930s, he was regularly leading secret ritual masturbation circles with his boy pupils in which they were instructed to direct their thoughts to the Solar Logos upon ejaculation! In Black Magic, this is considered to be an easy shortcut to developing spiritual and psychic powers. In reality, such methods and practices are equated by HPB with the “unforgivable sin” and easily lead to the loss of the soul. A female English Theosophist, an admirer of Leadbeater, travelled to Australia in order to meet him in person for the first time and spend time in his company. Upon eventually returning to England, she was particularly shaken and disturbed and kept repeating the words “Leadbeater’s a beast!” When pressed for an explanation, she revealed how some of “Leadbeater’s boys” had confessed to her that he made them drink their own semen, ostensibly on the grounds that it was beneficial for their spiritual development!"

And for those inclined to think that these accusations might have been fabricated so as to ruin his reputation, here is Leadbeater admitting in his own words that he taught masturbation.-

On the 27th of February 1906, Leadbeater wrote a letter to Alex Fullerton, 1
elaborating his beliefs regarding the “advice” he gave:


“I know that the whole question of sex feelings is the principal difficulty in the path of boys and girls, and very much harm is done by the prevalent habit of ignoring the subject and fearing to speak of it to young people … Therefore I always speak of it quite frankly and naturally to those I am trying to help, when they become sufficiently familiar with me to make it possible.” 2
The conventional idea that such thoughts do not much matter so long as they do not issue in overt acts is not only untrue; it is absolutely the reverse of the truth. I have seen literally hundreds of cases of this horrible condition, and have traced the effects which it produces in after-life. … Much of this trouble is due to the perfectly natural pressure of certain physical accumulations, and as the boy grows older this increasing pressure drives him into associations with loose women or sometimes into unnatural crimes. Now all this may be avoided by periodically relieving that pressure, and experience has shown that if the boy provokes at stated intervals a DISCHARGE[capitals mine] which produces that relief, he can comparatively easily rid his mind of such thoughts in the interim, and in that way escape all the more serious consequences."

So, here is Leadbeater saying he taught masturbation as a sort of prophylactic. Not any type of "vajroli mudra."

Regarding his homosexuality-

according to writer James Webb, Leadbeater was a 'homosexual' (The Occult Underground by James Webb, pg 87) and also notes that "From his early days as a Hampshire curate until the close of his life at at Sydney, he seems to have had an incurable taste for young men."(Ibid pg.97). It was Leadbeater who had discovered an 8 year old Krishnamurti on an Indian beach and decided to 'adopt' him. Krishnamurti's father nearly ruined the scheme however, when he accused Leadbeater of 'corrupting' his son.

For those interested in verifying all of this they are refered to Gregory Tillett’s book “The Elder Brother: A Biography of Charles Webster Leadbeater” published sometime in the 1980s as well as Tillett’s over 1,000 page thesis about him online at leadbeater.org.

Was Samael Aun Weor wrong in calling him a great master?



Fourth, is the problem that arises with the assertion that Blavatsky practiced sexual magic with H.S. Olcott, or with anybody for that matter. First, Blavatsky was NEVER married to col. Olcott. Many of Blavatsky's biographers are of the opinion that Blavatsky's relationship with Olcott was strictly platonic. In fact, Olcott would call Blavatsky and himself "the Theosophical Twins" indicating a brother and sister relationship. He said, "she was the Teacher, I the pupil." And while living together in New York during the writing of Isis Unveiled both denied there being any romantic relationship between them. Her first marriage to Count Nikifor Blavatsky lasted only three months, and she left before it was consummated. Her second marriage was with a Georgian Mikheil Betaneli in 1874 which also lasted only a few months, and was for financial reasons only. As Blavatsky refused to consummate the marriage, Betaneli sued for divorce. But most importantly, Blavatsky asserted that she was a life long VIRGIN. As she had many enemies, certain vicious rumours were started, and even her own father was suspicious. A little background on this is that she had adopted a little deformed boy named Yuri, and her enemies claimed it was hers. Blavatsky resented this attack on her character, and wrote to A.P. Sinnett (the recipient of most of the Mahatma Letters) that she had a "congenital crookedness of the uterus" which made sex and conception impossible. Sinnett urged her to get a certificate, and she followed his advice. Dr. Leon Oppenheim wrote after examining her "Madame Blavatsky suffers from Anteflexio Uteri, most probably from the day of her birth; because as proven by minute examination, she has never born any child, nor has she had any gynecological illness. Signed Dr. Leon Oppenheim, Wurzburg, 3 November, 1885. Attested Wilhelm Hubbe Scheidon and Franz Ghebard." A little frustrated after all of this Blavatsky wrote again to A.P. Sinnett

"Here's your stupid certificate with your dreams of virgo intacta in a women who had all her guts out, womb and all, by fall from horseback. And yet the doctor looked, examined three times and says what the Professor Bodkin and Pirogoff said at pskoff in 1862. I could never have had connection with any man, because I am lacking something..."

So, not only did she assert she was a virgin, but it was verified by doctors. How could Samael Aun Weor say she was married to H.S. Olcott and practiced sex magic? How do we reconcile this?



Sincerely, a student of THEOSOPHIA
6 years ago
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So, the question is why did Samael teach pranayama( the suppression of the vital breath not the Will breath of the Raja Yogis) if it could lead to mediumship?
Any sort of transmutation exercise can lead to negative outcomes if practiced incorrectly or outside of its proper context. That is why we don't take isolated teachings from Samael Aun Weor, but rather practice the entire corpus of his work. Pranayama is useful and beneficial if done properly.
Where does Samael Aun Weor fit in to this? He began teaching in 1950 a full 25 years before 1975.
Samael Aun Weor is not an isolated case of a violation of the "law" that you are proposing. Paracelsus, Master M, Krishnamurti, Atisha, and even Tsong Khapa are all additional counter examples to that supposed "law." There are sufficiently many examples of Masters who have appeared and taught outside of the final 25 years of a given century to conclude that either 1) Blavatsky was wrong, or 2) your literal interpretation of her teachings is incorrect.

This forum is dedicated to clarifying the teachings of Samael Aun Weor, so we are not going to offer guidance about how to better read the teachings of Blavatsky, but as general advice, we encourage our students to meditate on what they read, regardless of who the teacher is.
Was Samael Aun Weor wrong in calling him a great master?
Maybe. I don't recall any place where Samael called him a master. I know he spoke rather critically of Leadbeater's teachings in Hell, Devil, and Karma as well as Esoteric Medicine and Practical Magic. Maybe Samael called Leadbeater a master in other contexts. I don't know. If he did, it's quite possible that Samael was referring to Leadbeater's Inner Being.

And maybe the accusations against Leadbeater are unfounded. I don't know that either. I have never met Leadbeater myself, and I certainly don't consider things I've read on random sites around the Internet enough to condemn a man I've never met.
So, not only did she assert she was a virgin, but it was verified by doctors. How could Samael Aun Weor say she was married to H.S. Olcott and practiced sex magic? How do we reconcile this?
I'm not an expert on medicine, nor was I the one who examined Blavatasky, so I wouldn't know enough about this particular subject to be able to comment intelligently on the details of Blavatsky's sex life.

As it stands, this is a discussion about the most private details of the personal life of someone that neither one of us knew, so trying to ascertain any semblance of truth from the few scraps of information we can glean from 100-year old letters seems like a futile effort. Maybe the certificate was forged, maybe the condition rectified itself sometime after the doctor performed that examination, maybe Blavatsky was using the word "virgin" in the symbolic sense, in the same way that it applied to Mary and the other early practitioners of tantra who used the Virgine Subintroductis. There are any number of possible things that might have happened that would be completely invisible to historical investigators. The point is that it is impossible to know for sure, so it serves no purpose to waste time and energy spinning your wheels when you can't go anywhere.

Also, as an observation, most of the things you have mentioned here seem to have no bearing whatsoever on the quality or depth of your practice. Your first question about pranayama seems somewhat useful, and it is important to be clear on how to properly practice it, so I encourage you to carefully contemplate my response. However, I fail to see how your final two questions about Leadbeater's and Blavatsky's personal lives can have any positive bearing on your spiritual development. As far as I can tell, they amount to little more than gossip about people you don't know. My advice to you would be to free your mind from its fascination with such things so you can dedicate a greater deal of your attention and effort to endeavors that can actually produce good fruit.
6 years ago
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#10940
Thanks for the response, I appreciate your thoughts on the matter. I wholeheartedly agree that the most important thing is changing oneself internally through purification of the lower self, by meditation on oneself in the light of the transcendental virtues or Paramitas. And through complete and utter self abnegation, so that one may become ABSOLUTE COMPASSION. But, the main point I had in mind was to show the danger in accepting teachings without a careful survey of the whole field of esotericism. Great danger lies in ignorance, and moreover so many nowadays are led into the unconscious practice of BLACK MAGIC. After having studied most systems of esoteric teachings( which by no means makes me an expert!) I have personally come to the conclusion that the only fully reliable and true teachings of the Ageless and Ancient Wisdom are found in the writings of H.P. Blavatsky, W.Q Judge and a few other original Theosophists and of course the SECRET DOCTRINE. The Master K.H. certified that “The Secret Doctrine” was written by himself and the Master Morya, along with the one they called their “Direct Agent” and “Brother” HPB, who they also sometimes referred to as “Upasika,” a Buddhist term meaning “female disciple.” It was, as he put it, a “triple production.”

For me there are just far to many dangerous errors in the works of those who followed Blavatsky. I am of the opinion that the REAL MASTERS have not given out any "new or fresh revelations." “The SECRET DOCTRINE is not a treatise, or a series of vague theories, but contains all that can be given out to the world.” And,“It will take centuries before much more is given."

Regarding sexual practices, my intuition tells me that the secrets of HIGH INTIATION has nothing to do with sex. Everything to do with its TRANSCENSION. And even if it has, is teaching it to people who are completely unprepared wise? From my experience with these teachings it is leading some to moral ruin. Is it not wiser to master and purify our lower selves, before attempting anything else? I do not "hate sex" as some people in these teachings say of those who prefer to transcend sex rather than entangle themselves further into it. The Master K.H had this to say-

"It is impossible to worship both sides.- the male and female of nature,-at once; one or the other must predominate. Only by following the absolute sexless Unity, can the white path be trodden. Hence the necessity for chastity. [that is brahmacharya not sex magic] the occult and the physical must never be mixed up."

One would have to resort to some rather dubious explanations to distort that quote.

"There are not in the West half-a-dozen among the fervent hundreds who call themselves "Occultists," who have even an approximately correct idea of the nature of the Science they seek to master. With a few exceptions, they are all on the highway to Sorcery."

H.P. Blavatsky.


"For if, while turning their backs on the narrow gate, they are dragged by their desire for the Occult one step in the direction of the broad and more inviting Gates of that golden mystery which glitters in the light of illusion, woe to them! It can lead only to Dugpa-ship, and they will be sure to find themselves very soon landed on that Via Fatale, over whose portal Dante read the words: —

Per me si va nella citta dolente
Per me si va nell'eterno dolore
Per me si va tra la perduta gente. . ."

H.P. Blavatsky.


It is my heart felt wish that those who are seeking TRUTH find it. But, they can find it only if they listen to the "still small voice" the voice of their HIGHER SELF, the VOICE OF THE SILENCE.


Sincerely, a student of THEOSOPHIA
6 years ago
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#10943
You are perfectly entitled to your opinions. As Prophet Muhammad declared:
There is no compulsion in religion: rectitude has become distinct from error. So one who disavows the Rebels [by teaching the doctrine] and has faith in Allah has held fast to the firmest handle for which there is no breaking; and Allah is all-hearing, all-knowing.
However, we will state the following for the benefit of our students:
O mankind! Worship your Lord,
who created you
and those who were before you,
so that you may be Godwary [since the beginning of gnosis is fear of the lord].

He who made the earth [Malkuth, the physical body] a place of repose for you,
and the sky [or seven heavens and dimensions] a canopy,
and He sends down water [transmuted sexual energy] from the sky,
and with it He brings forth crops [virtues]
for your sustenance.
So do not set up equals to Allah,
while you know.

And if you are in doubt
concerning what We have sent down
to Our servant [or any prophet, including Samael Aun Weor],
then bring a sūrah like it,
and invoke your helpers besides Allah [in meditation and within the internal planes],
should you be truthful.

And if you do not—and you will not [as demonstrated by your sincere but mistaken opinions]—
then beware the Fire whose fuel will be humans [hasnamussen]
and stones [thrown into the well of fornication, the abyss],
prepared for the faithless.

And give good news to those who have faith
and do righteous deeds,
that for them shall be gardens [of Eden: bliss, voluptuousness]
with streams [of milk and honey! the creative power of Al-Baqarah, the sacred cow] running in them:
whenever they are provided with their fruit
for nourishment [the consequences of living a chaste life]
they will say,
‘This is what we were provided before,’
and they were given something resembling it.
In it there will be chaste mates for them, [the wedding of the spiritual in a purified, sexual sense]
and they will remain in it forever.

Indeed Allah is not ashamed to draw a parable
whether it is that of a gnat or something above it.
As for those who have faith,
they know it is the truth from their Lord;
and as for the faithless, they say,
‘What did Allah mean by this parable?’
Thereby He leads many astray,
and thereby He guides many;
and He leads no one astray thereby
except the transgressors

—those who break the covenant [of transmutation] made with Allah
after having pledged it solemnly,
and sever
what Allah has commanded to be joined [through the perfect matrimony],
and cause corruption [fornication] on the earth [in the body]—
it is they who are the losers.

How can you be unfaithful to Allah,
seeing that you were [spiritually] lifeless
and He gave you life [the sexual power]
then He will make you die [in the ego],
and then He shall bring you to life [through resurrection],
and then you will be brought back to Him [through ascension]?
-Al-Baqarah 21-28

O People of the Book [Theosophists, Rosicrucians, Gnostics, Christians, Muslims, etc.]! Why do you defy Allah’s signs while you testify [to their truth]?

O People of the Book [Theosophists, Rosicrucians, Gnostics, Christians, Muslims, etc.]! Why do you mix the truth with falsehood, and conceal the truth while you know [it]?

A group of the People of the Book say, ‘Believe in what has been sent down to the faithful at the beginning of the day, and disbelieve at its end, so that they may turn back [from their religion].’'

‘And do not believe anyone except him who follows your religion.’ Say, ‘Indeed [true] guidance is the guidance of Allah.’ ‘And do not believe that anyone may be given the like of what you were given [through internal experiences and samadhis], or that he may argue with you before your Lord [and prove you wrong, albeit when it is too late for you].’ Say, ‘Indeed all grace is in Allah’s hand; He grants it to whomever He wishes, and Allah is all-bounteous, all-knowing.

He singles out for His mercy whomever He wishes [through insights and signs in meditation], and Allah is dispenser of a great grace.’ -Āl ʿImran-70-74

The Two Closed Doors

By uttering sublime and ineffable phrases, the tenebrous ones state that Sexual Magic is dangerous, thus this is how they swerve wretched human beings away from the doors of Eden. By uttering words filled with sweetness, the tenebrous ones state that to project oneself in the Astral body at will is dangerous. This is how the tenebrous ones close these two doors to liberation for the wretched souls. The tenebrous ones close the two doors of happiness and thereafter they enclose their victims within their intellectual systems.

The tenebrous systems are usually filled with reasoning and philosophical words. The intellect is the most powerful weapon that the Luciferians use in order to impede their victims to escape the abyss; the abyss is filled with sincere, yet mistaken ones; the abyss is filled with people that have very good intentions. Many tenebrous ones from the abyss are sincere, yet mistaken. -Samael Aun Weor, The Major Mysteries
Regarding your statement that sex must be transcended and that high initiation has nothing to do with sex:
Every valley shall be נָשָׂא exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain. -Isaiah 40:4
No one can transcend sex without descending in order to conquer it. Dante Allieghieri taught this in the Inferno of his Divine Comedy, which you've quoted.

Those familiar with the Kabbalah of the Hebrew letters will see the meaning of נָשָׂא very clearly.

In synthesis, reconciliation (as referred to in the title of your post) is achieved by working with the three forces in harmony: Affirmation (masculine power), Negation (feminine power), and Reconciliation (the union of both forces, physically, psychologically, and spiritually in a marriage).

May divinity bless you!

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

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