Regarding the journey of the solar system around the zodiac, when it came to an end in Lemurian times...
Lemuria was a continent that was located in the Pacific Ocean, which had a wonderful race. How long did it last? It lasted the duration of the journey of the solar system around the zodiac. The journey concluded, and at the end, Hercolubus arrived, which matches that journey (an extraordinary, mechanical, cosmic web). Then, with its powerful force, it pulled out the fire from the interior of the Earth, volcanoes sprang up everywhere in Lemuria, great earthquakes were caused and for some 10,000 years of incessant earthquakes and tidal waves the Lemurian continent sank into the Pacific Ocean.
Then a new journey of the solar system around the zodiac began, which served as the foundation for the Atlantean root race. How long did the Atlantean root race last? As long as the journey of the solar system around the zodiac lasted. Concluding that journey, Hercolubus arrived again, and produced a revolution of the axes of the Earth; the seas changed beds and Atlantis was done.
Now, at this very moment, the journey is ending again (the journey of the solar system around the zodiac). This journey began as a result of the sinking of Atlantis during the constellation of Aquarius (the water bearer), which faces the constellation of Leo (the lion). Thus, when the new journey of the solar system around the zodiac begins again, what will happen? The sinking of the Aryan root race [today's humanity] will come (that will be the sunset for us).
In the wake of the Universal Flood, the new journey of the solar system around the zodiac began. At that time, the Aryan root race began. In these moments the journey is ending. It has come to an end since we are back in Aquarius. The journey began in Aquarius and will end in Aquarius, and our root race will last until the end of the journey; it cannot last any longer or any shorter, but until the end of the journey. So, the journey is concluding exactly.
Right now we have Aquarius, and opposite to Aquarius is the constellation Leo (the lion).
What will happen now? As the planet Hercolubus gets closer, the fires that are inside the Earth will sprout again to the surface attracted by the magnetic mass of Hercolubus. Then volcanoes and earthquakes will appear everywhere, and this root race will perish by fire and earthquakes. The fire and the earthquakes will do their blooming business among them.
At the closest approach of Hercolubus to the Earth, it will produce exactly a revolution of the Earth's axes. Then, the seas will change beds and will swallow the current continents. Then there will come a duel to the death between fire and water, and it will last for several centuries. Meanwhile, the chosen race, the select ones, will have to live on that island in the Pacific Ocean until a double rainbow appears in the clouds; when that happens, this chosen race, this chosen nucleus will come to live in the heavens and on new lands that will have arisen from the bottom of the seas. Then the golden age will come.
Now, in terms of seasons, you know very well that there are four seasons: spring, summer, autumn and winter. Our Earth travels around the Sun and has four seasons. At this moment (of the lecture) we are exactly in spring, then summer, autumn, and winter will come. But it also happens that in the journey of the solar system around the zodiacal belt, that is, in the great sidereal year, the great solar, sidereal cycle, there are four seasons: spring: the golden age; summer: the silver age; autumn: the copper age and winter: the iron age.
If we examine the zodiac, we see that currently we are in the constellation of Aquarius. Face to face is Leo (the sign of Leo, the sign of fire). What does this mean? It is clear to our sight, the duel to the death that will take place in this century between water and fire, fire and water.
If we look at Aquarius, it is ruled by Uranus and Saturn. Uranus is a catastrophic, revolutionary planet, terrifying in a great way; and as far Saturn is concerned, it is represented in alchemy by the black crow of death, the return to the original primeval chaos.
And if we look, face to face is Leo (who is before us at this moment), it is the sign of fire, the lion of the law that goes out to meet this perverse humanity, with fire.
So, the two signs, at this moment (water and fire) are face to face, this is terrible; it indicates the destruction of this root race, totally. There is no "era of fraternity" coming after the year 2000, as the Aquarianists state, no! they say that everything will be love, that borders will disappear, everything evil will disappear by itself, as if the ego could create a golden age. Do you think that the ego will be able to create a golden age? As long as the factors of discord exist within oneself, there must be wars in the world. As long as the factors of selfishness and ambition, lust and pride exist, there must be wars.
Where is the ego going to get a golden age? That is absurd. In order for there to be a golden age, the destruction of this humanity (chaos) is needed, so that from the chaos new lands will emerge, in order to be inhabited by an innocent humanity, a humanity devoid of ego.
In the golden age, no one who has ego will be given a [physical] body. Any person with ego will be thrown back, because only one who takes a body having the ego inside, that one alone ends the golden age, corrupts all the others, of course. The golden age is the age of innocence, of beauty and good, of love, of brotherhood, of brotherhood amongst people.
Question: Venerable master, that humanity being innocent and pure, will it also have its ages of silver, copper, iron?
Samael Aun Weor: Of course.
Question: Do you mean that in later stages there will already be access of egos, of some people who have the ego?
Samael Aun Weor: Successively, in the later stages the ego arises, within the human beings themselves. The ego will begin to be born among human beings. This is the harsh reality of the facts. Fortunately, there is a law called the law of the transmigration of souls, taught by Lord Krishna in India, around 1,000 years ago before Jesus Christ. The doctrine of the transmigration of souls gives us a foundation for the golden age.
It is clear that for all 4.5 billion human beings that currently populate the face of the Earth, since they are not able to dissolve the ego (because not all of them can do it due to lack of capacities or consecration), Nature will be in charge of disintegrating them. Where is Nature going to disintegrate the ego? Well, in the infernal worlds. That is what the infernal worlds are for, that is what Tartarus is for. So, properly the Sufis say Hell is not a place of punishment, but a place of purification and instruction for the consciousness. For our Aztec ancestors, that is Mixtlán (that is what it is called); it is not a place of punishment, but a place of probation, of tests. Thus, if one become victorious after passing through the nine Dantean circles, one then has the right to enter Paradise.
So, consider Hell from that point of view, not only as a place of punishment, but also as an instruction for the consciousness and purification. This means that in the infernal worlds or in the nine Dantean circles of Tartarus, the ego gradually disintegrates, it becomes dust. That is the famous Second Death. Then, the best, the most decent, the most dignified, the most aristocratic that we have within, which is the essence, comes out free into the sunlight to restart a new march. It will begin with the mineral, it will continue in the vegetable and the animal and, later, that essence returns to regain the humanoid state that it once lost.
So let's apply this to the 4.5 billion human beings who will enter Tartarus. Those 4.5 billion will leave Tartarus one day, without ego; devoid of ego they will take bodies among the descendants of the chosen nucleus, and as they take bodies, the race increases, but an innocent race, because it does not have ego. That innocent race, devoid of ego, will then be carefully directed by the solar dynasties.
Question: In these infra-dimensions, will one go through many ailments, horrible sufferings, and will it take a very long time to go through each of these circles?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, there you suffer a lot, because there you have to come face to face with yourself. For example: one that has been a murderer or that has committed crimes, he has the "I" of murder. Then the "I" of murder will be found there, face to face, chasing you; a monster that will look for you. You will hide behind the rocks, and the monster will look for you all the time. At all times the frightening, armed monster wants to kill you, and yet you cannot get away because it is you, too, it is part of yourself, it is the "I" of murder.
The "I's" of lust will harass you there in a stormy manner. You will see multiple monsters of lust that will attack you, you will want to get rid of them but you will not be able to. You will see them horrifying and frightening in the darkness of Hell, and yet those "I's" are your own.
So, there the consciousness is instructed; as a lecture it is first class, because the consciousness receives direct, formidable instruction, and the ego disintegrates with full knowledge of the facts. So, when the essence manages to free itself through the doors of the Second Death, well then, it comes out completely happy and very educated to the surface, into the light of the Sun.
The essence then leaves to restart new evolutionary processes that will begin with the mineral. The essence will be a gnome again, but no longer just a gnome as at the beginning, as before, behind the human cycles, but now a gnome of hierarchy, of category, due to the spiral; and when it enters the elemental paradises of the vegetable kingdom, it will always be an elemental of a certain vegetable category; and when he enters the paradises of the animal kingdoms, it will always be a category elemental and when he enters the human state, it will be more cognizant, but innocent.
That innocent people of the future, who passed through the terrible Second Death, will be ruled by the solar dynasties, and then the golden age will come. For this reason, Virgil, the poet from Mantua, exclaims:
“The golden age has arrived and a new progeny commands.”
Which progeny commands? What is that new progeny? The solar dynasties.
The golden age will be precious. The Gospel of Saint Luke, precisely, corresponds to the future golden age. That is why it is called the Gospel according to Saint Luke, it is the gospel according to the light, the solar gospel.
As for the Gospel of Matthew, it is the Gospel according to science; and if we read when this is going to be, Matthew is telling us: "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies"; He also says: "that when there are plagues and earthquakes at that time" and all those epidemics, it is because the time has come. We currently have Jerusalem surrounded by armies, earthquakes everywhere, plagues, epidemics, diseases, famine, that is what we are seeing. St. Matthew according to science, he is telling us that it is for this time.
Now, if we look roughly at Daniel the prophet, he sees a great sea, the ocean, the currents fighting each other; and first a monster arises that looks at him; within the sea a great beast and that great beast turns out to have wings (it is a great lion with wings) and it was given the heart of a man, the golden age. And a second beast arises, it looks like a bear, the silver age; and a third beast emerges that looks like a sphinx, the copper age; and a fourth beast arises different from all the others, because it is all made of iron, its teeth are made of steel and its nails are made of iron, and it tramples everything with its feet, it is a beast different from all the others, the fourth beast is the current iron age. It is capable of making the saints fall from heaven and is capable of destroying everything in its path. And the just one arrived, he says, and the Christ arrived and sat down, the books were opened and the kingdom was delivered to the saints of the Most High. That is, the iron age ends with great cataclysms. And when Daniel asks, "When will that be?" An angel answers: "that it should be unto a time, and times, and half a time."
Time, what is a time, "within a time"? The golden age. "Times?" The silver and copper ages. "And half a time?" The middle of the iron age.
So, at the moment we are in the middle (according to Eastern calculations), of the iron age; then the end is for this time, because the other half will be spent in the chaos and it will be hard. So, this is what "a time, times and a half a time" means.
Question: Venerable master, now that I hear your reference to monsters and the infernal worlds, it turns out that when I was two or three years old, when we went to sleep, I saw large monsters that always attacked me between the walls. My father scolded me because I always cried in fear; he always told me that they were from my fantasies, that there was nothing.
Samael Aun Weor: Not always; that is why I kept "my beak" silent a lot, when I was a boy, I did not tell anyone about this. The difference between you and me is that you sang and I did not sing, I kept my mouth shut because I knew that if I sang, they would brand me as a "wacky one". I knew that those around me (my father, my mother, my relatives, my little brothers), were people who were completely asleep and unconscious.
As I knew it because I had changed my body at will, I had gotten into this "shell" at will, so I knew it too well; what did I do? I shut my beak. I said: "These people don't even understand me a little, I'm going to play dumb to these people, but as soon as I grow up a little, I will leave them."
Those monsters are the ones you carry inside, the “I's”. Have you disintegrated them yet? You have to reduce them to cosmic dust. They are your “I's” that come from ancient times, from ancient centuries, that have passed into history. They must be turned into dust, reduced to ashes, to cosmic dust; that is the harsh reality of the facts. Otherwise, you, yourself are going to confront them in Hell. What effect did they have on you as a child?
Disciple: Much terror, venerable master.
Samael Aun Weor: Well, you are going to feel that same terror multiplied by a thousand in Hell if you don't turn them into dust now. Because if you don't turn them into dust now, Nature will be in charge of helping you, of performing the surgical operation; but yes, she will swallow you within her entrails, and there, within her entrails, she does the operation, very hard, very difficult; you are going to meet them naked, “with the gloves off”, face to face, you are going to see what you do with them; and you know that is not pleasant at all; to live thousands and thousands of years confronting those monsters.
If at times they produced such afflictions when you were a child, how about in the flesh and alive, fighting, hiding yourself among the rocks to see if you protect yourself and there is no protection anywhere? Those are the torments of the Tartarus. Therefore, I advise you to disintegrate the ego and study my book Revolutionary Psychology. It is that book that should serve by your bedside. This is the book that must be reproduced by thousands throughout America and the entire world. It is fundamental. Without it, one is worth nothing.
You have to disintegrate the ego. If not, you are not doing anything, you are wasting your time miserably.
Because still, let us put the case that someone unfortunately has not finished the elaboration of the superior existential bodies of the Being, but he dissolved the ego, turned it to dust. Already with that, he saves himself from having to go down to the Abyss. Already with that he has the right to take a body in the future golden age. But if he has not dissolved the ego, even if he has manufactured the superior existential bodies of the Being and is a real human, they do not give him entry into the golden age, because that human is going to do a lot of damage - and I'm talking about humans, not about "intellectual humanoids." That is to say, reaching the degree of human does not give us entry into the golden age.
The golden age is the age of paradise. It is represented in the Gospel of Saint Luke by the winged bull; it is the gospel according to the light, the solar gospel. For someone to enter the golden age, that someone has to be clean of ego, he is going to be the humanity of innocence, of innocence! When one destroys the egos one becomes so innocent that you do not even remotely suspect it. I myself was terrified of a certain degree of innocence that I had achieved, that I did not know that I had achieved it, but at the hour of the hour, I found that I was ignorant of elementary things that all humanoids know; that was an astounding thing for me.
Question: Listening to what you were talking about reincarnation recently, since I was little I thought that I had lived in many previous times and that it had been liquid, water or plant, what was this disquietude due to?
Samael Aun Weor: You already had the internal, intuitive knowledge and you had been initiated in other centuries, in other ages, and obviously, you carried that knowledge inside; because of that you have been able to have reminiscences of that ancient knowledge.
Now, also, one of us who have lived that, I for example, why do I speak of the doctrine of transmigration? It is a revolutionary doctrine, which I am sure that the ultramodern schools of Theosophy, cheap pseudo-Rosicrucianism (spiritism, contortionism and acrobatics, and all those things that currently exist in the world), do not accept it, they reject the doctrine of transmigration. It was taught by Lord Krishna, but theosophists do not accept it, but if one has awakened consciousness in life, if one has ever been "awake", then obviously one has to recognize the crude reality of the doctrine of the transmigration of souls ; that is clear.
But do you know what I base myself on for the doctrine of the transmigration of souls? I simply base myself on this: I remember perfectly the phases of evolution and devolution through which I passed. I had exactly to develop on a very old planet that does not even belong to the ancient Earth-Moon, because before our terrestrial chain was the lunar chain; before the lunar chain there was another chain: I am from this much older chain. On that planet, on that planet I evolved as the whole world evolves, I started with mineral, vegetable, animal, I reached the state of humanoid that I once lost, etc. I went through all those phases, but when I arrived to the 108 existences that were assigned to the humanoid state (as always, it is normal), during those 108 lives I was not interested in even the slightest, or the most insignificant way, anything that was related to spirituality. I dedicated myself exclusively to earthly things, to profane things, forgetting everything that smelled of spirituality, it did not interest me; until I got to the last one (which was the 108th existence). In that last one, 108, I had a life, an existence, let's say, of an evil personality.
In that 108 existence I was a female, evil personality; a little woman, "squat" like that, but perverse. It was the last one and it is clear I entered the infernal worlds with that body that I had, I left that female body and entered the infernal worlds. I devolved within the entrails of that planet; she cursed and blasphemed, hated divinity. She was a wicked being, until she passed through the Second Death. I was disintegrated, turned to dust. All of my “I's” were being turned into shells, they were turning to dust. Finally, there was nothing left. As there was nothing left, I felt as if I was dying forever; a great annihilation. Then I saw myself turned into an innocent child, a child. What happened? The essence, the elemental, had been freed from subjective elements, the subjective elements of perceptions had been eliminated, the psychic aggregates in their totality disintegrated, reduced to cosmic dust by the centrifugal forces of that planet. Thus, the Essence was free, naked in front of the Sun.
Well, when the essence was released, the devas examined it from head to toe, to see if there was any undesirable element left inside. When they were convinced that there was no undesirable element left, then the devas, allowed me to exit through the atomic gates and I came to the surface of that planet, already free and in the light of the sun (a hydrogenated sun that illuminated that planet of that solar system, of which today there are not even its memories, at best, its memories in the akashic archives).
So I entered the evolutions of the mineral kingdom , then I saw myself become a gnome, but no longer a gnome as I had been before, no, a higher type of gnome.
Much later, through the centuries, I earned the right to enter the evolutions of the plant kingdom. I was again a vegetable elemental, but a more conscious elemental. Then I went to the stages of the animal kingdom where I evolved into different animal creatures, and that is where I speak in my book "The Three Mountains", when I passed as that little animal called a frog; so he was walking around, skipping along the shore of a stream of pure, singing waters. I remembered, yes, I had not forgotten, the terrible sufferings of Hell, and I never wanted to return to Hell, because of the horrors suffered there. I made friends, yes, of the elementals of that river, a great friend, and when I felt humanoid steps there, I knew they were terribly wicked, I threw myself into the water to avoid the humanoids, because I know they are bad, and so on. Time passed.
Later, I was given the right to enter higher evolutions. I was able to enter a world of very intelligent fish that lived in that world. I always liked to go to the rear, not to the forefront; sometimes a monster appeared, and I remember a monster so terrible that it ate everyone in the pack, I was in the rear and it did not manage to devour me, it swallowed the others; and I remember how that infamous one, after his belly was full, turned his back and left very calmly. I was among a few survivors and we lived at the bottom of the oceans like fish.
Later, I entered a kingdom of amphibians that came to earth to take sunlight. I was walking among the herd with the amphibians.
Later, later, I was given the right to take a humanoid body. I entered with promises not to return to the Abyss, that vividly had remained in my consciousness: the tortures of the Abyss, the terrors, the horrors through which I had passed. Then, already outside, already converted into a humanoid being, I said: "Well, I am going to transform myself into a human, I know that I am a humanoid but I am going to transform myself into a human."
I found the guru (my guru). He instructed me in the mysteries, precisely, of life and death. I got from him the key, the unspeakable secret, the Great Arcanum. I worked in the forge of the cyclops because he guided me. I manufactured the superior existential bodies of the Being through the fulfillment of the Partkdolg Duty of the Being, and I carried out the magnificent transformations, let us say, of the sacred sperm (the Mercury of the Sages), and thus I managed, through Mercury, to make the bodies crystallize, because it is it is very true that the sacred sperm is the brute mercury in alchemy. By transmuting it, it becomes the soul of Mercury. The sexual energy is Mercury, it is the metallic soul of the sperm and that Mercury in turn (which is energy that rises through the sympathetic cords to the brain), is fertilized by Sulfur, that is, the fire that awakens; Salt in itself, is the raw material of the Great Work. There is salt in the sperm, there is salt in metals, there is salt in gold, there is salt in everything, so you have to sublimate the Salt as well.
I'm quoting you from when I first became a human. I am talking about a very old solar system, from when for the first time I managed to reach the state, let's say, of true human, in a planet that has already disappeared, of which not even the dust of the centuries remains; that is what we're talking about.
Then, through the operations of Sulfur and Mercury on Salt, I managed to make Salt, Sulfur and Mercury crystallize in the astral body, I made myself an astral body. In a higher octave, that sublimated Salt that served as the base for the operations of Sulfur and Mercury, crystallized in the mental body, and later, with that same base, I achieved the creation of the causal body.
Provided with the physical, astral, mental and causal bodies, then I managed to embody the psychic ethical principles (the Pneuma of the Gnostics), within myself, and thus I transformed, becoming a human, I became a human. I had come out of the humanoid state. Now as a human, I kept working. Later I reached other states, I reached the Angelic state, Archangel, etc. Well, conclusion (so as not to go around so many details): I achieved integration with my Logoi, I became the governor of the planet Mars and acquired all the powers of the heavens and of the abysses, all the wisdom and all the universal powers.
You will say, "Well, if that is so, why does he now live here among the Earthlings?" And I am going to tell you sincerely: afterwards I continued living in different solar systems; in the past existence I was in the ancient Moon-Earth. I lived, then among the Selenites. I did the Gnostic Movement among the Selenites. I spoke to them as I am speaking to you. The Selenites created a powerful civilization. I lived among them, that is where I ended up. The Selenites were very cruel, there were many people, there was a terrible religion, worse than the Catholic sect, they tried me, and sentenced me to death and crucified me; just as I am telling you.
At the beginning of the dawn of this present mahamanvantara, integrated with my inner God, I became the living spirit of the center of Mars. But my deep inner Lord, understanding that there was a need for me to acquire earthly qualities that we do not have over there (certain characteristics such as those of Count Saint Germain, those of Cagliostro, a diplomat, a politician of those), He sent me here, to acquire characteristics that I did not have.
I conserved characteristics of innocence and wisdom, but not that spirit that those like Cagliostro, or like Saint Germain (masters from here on Earth) have. So, he sent me here and at the same time he could help himself. Certainly, he sent me, but yes, I made a mistake when the revolt of the angels on Lemuria, I was one of the first to enter the wave, right? It was about the subject-matter of falling into animal generation; yet, in the same Lemuria I managed to get up and in the same Lemuria I achieved again the Elixir of Long Life, the Philosopher's Stone.
With that Lemurian body I lived in Lemuria and Atlantis, so that I saw Lemuria sink to the bottom of the seas and I saw the civilization of Atlantis rise and I myself saw Atlantis swallowed by the ocean. I have all that knowledge here, and I can talk about Lemuria and Atlantis. I have not lost any knowledge, my memory is correct.
In the central plateau of Asia I made another mistake: I threw the Stone again into the water, and that gave me "Fall again on Saturday", so I had to suffer a lot on the face of the Earth, until now, at this time that I'm finishing making the Philosopher's Stone again. In 1978 I will have it in my possession, the precious gem.
So, actually really, that is why I'm here. Of course, when I entered the upper part of the work in the Great Work, I was taken to the Abyss by the Father. He instructed me from the planet Mars and gave me tremendous scolding, he told me, "You had all the powers of the universe, all the wisdom of infinity, all the wisdom of the cosmos, yet you threw yourself over the precipice, why did you do it?"
So, my answer was, "Lord, I recognize my mistake, but now what can I do, the only thing I can do is ask your forgiveness."
And, certainly, the Lord forgave me and so I continued working in the Great Work. And I am working on the Great Work. For what purpose? In order to once again have the Philosopher's Stone in my possession, the Red Carbuncle, the Precious Gem; by 1978 I will have it in my possession, the Red Carbuncle. When that happens, I will go to Europe to begin my work, which will be very similar to that of Cagliostro in Europe; that is the harsh reality of the facts.
So, at this time, then, it is clear that I know all the processes of the transmigration of souls. If I speak of the transmigration of souls, it is because I lived it, I know it.
So, I am teaching a doctrine rejected by all the pseudo-esotericists and pseudo-occultists of present times. They have not gone through these phases, they have not had to live the transmigration of souls, they have lived in a world of different Kalkian schools. In these Kalkian schools, Kalkian personalities abound, who know nothing and theorize too much. What is meant by Kalkian personalities? Those personalities full of pseudo-esotericism, cheap pseudo-occultism. I'm not interested in those little pseudo-esoteric and pseudo-occult schools; the only thing that interests me is the eagle and the serpent, my eagle and my serpent. My eagle is the deep inner Lord, and my serpent is the Divine Mother Kundalini.
I have been established in Isis for several years. I live in Isis. That is to say, I was "devoured" by the serpent, thus, I am a serpent that utters, that speaks, that explains. To that end, I am a serpent because I was "swallowed" by the serpent. This is why I tell you that I am established in Isis and the only thing that interests me is that, I think that the most important thing in life is to reach the level of superhuman.
First it is necessary to create the human and then to reach the stature of the superhuman. The human is something to be created, which does not yet exist; what exists is the intellectual animal mistakenly called "human."
Once the human is created, there is a need to reach the stature of the superhuman, that is the important thing. The superhuman is that human who has achieved absolute integration with divinity, who has integrated, who has merged with God. That is the superhuman.
For someone to awaken the serpent, to make it rise to the brain, that is not enough. One cannot come to enjoy the powers of the serpent until one becomes a serpent, and to become a serpent one has to be "swallowed" by the serpent.
In Yucatan, in the temples I found a stone serpent swallowing a man. Only in this way can one become a serpent; it is the only way. Then the serpent ends up being devoured by the eagle, the inner God. He "devours" it, the Logoi "swallows" it and then appears the feathered serpent as Quetzalcoatl, our Lord, the Mexican Christ.
So, then, the harsh reality is that one must become a feathered serpent like Quetzalcoatl; that is what counts. And in order to reach the heights of the superhuman, in order to become a feathered serpent, one has to go beyond good and evil, away from good and away from evil; depart from all the conventional moral codes, written by stale and clumsy minds, replace all that with comprehension; make an inventory of themselves to see what is left over and what is lacking, and depart from all the codes of ethics and all the prejudices of this age; march along the revolutionary, rebellious path that leads to the superhuman; to depart from the lines of evolution and devolution that are the mechanical laws of nature that lead to nothing but natural mechanics; entering through the path of the great rebellion, only through that path can you reach the superhuman.
The same virtues, no matter how noble, sometimes they serve as an obstacle for the superhuman. Because if we do not know how to handle the virtues, with them we can do a lot of harm. How many virtuous judges when fulfilling their duties took the innocent to jail or to the gallows for the virtue of the fulfillment of duty? Many judges condemned the innocent or put them to the guillotine. So, one has to turn away from the good and the evil and go down a path of comprehension. Instead of that, instead of good and evil, comprehension. One with comprehension can advance a lot, one has to make an inventory of oneself to know what is left over and what is lacking, and so this is how one must change; one must resolve to die in oneself.
In order to die in oneself, the best is the forge of the cyclops. There (working one in the flaming forge of Vulcan), one must use the spear. All the sexual electrical power must be used to destroy the demons that one has created (all those psychic aggregates, all those "I's" that oneself gave life), oneself must destroy them, and can destroy them with great force in the deepness of the Abyss.
No one could go up if one does not go down first. "Whoever wants to go up, must first go down." It is absurd to want to go up without having gone down first. You don't look for the treasure up there in the heavens, you have to look for it in the infernos, in the Ninth Sphere, in the forge of the cyclops, there is the treasure, among the demons. The treasure one seeks, the Golden Fleece, is guarded, yes, it is duly guarded, by none other than Lucifer, but one has to be smart enough to defeat Lucifer. That is the great dragon that must be defeated with the spear. I do not mean that Lucifer is evil, on the contrary, he must be our best friend; Lucifer is a great friend, he is Christ in disguise. Lucifer is Christ in disguise, that is, adapted to our conditions, converted into the force that can liberate us, because if it were not for the Luciferic impulse, no one could perform the sacred copula, or the chemical or metaphysical copula, as we want to call it.
In order to truly perform chemical copulation, the Luciferic impulse is needed (it is an impulse of rebellion), then one defeats Lucifer with the spear; this means: to be strong enough in order not to spill the glass of Hermes Trismegistus (the thrice great ibis god of Thoth); be smart enough in order to play Lucifer, to play with him; be smart enough to beat him. If one succeeds, then one goes up the back of Lucifer, which serves as a ladder. "Lucifer is a ladder to descend, Lucifer is a ladder to ascend"; that is the reality of the facts.
If one manages to defeat Lucifer (who is the dragon), one seizes the Golden Fleece, that is, the treasure. The treasure is down there in hell, underground; treasures are hidden underground, any treasure is hidden underground and you have to dig deep into the ground to find it. The roots of the superhuman are down in the Abyss, on the precipice, because from where does a tree draw its life, is it not from the interior of the earth, from the Abyss? A tree could grow a lot upward, but its roots go deeper and deeper downward, the higher the tree goes up, the roots go downward, and the tree cannot rise up if the roots do not go down.
Likewise, no one could rise to the degree of the superhuman, no one could, let us say, emancipate or liberate himself, become a god with powers over fire, over air, over water, over earth, if one does not first go down to the bottom of the precipice; and there one has to live among the demons as a demon among the demons.
You have to learn to walk on both feet. Many little brothers, especially the Kalkian personalities that are so abundant in the ultramodern little schools of pseudo-esotericism and cheap pseudo-occultism, want to walk on one foot; They do not realize that you have to walk with both feet, they ignore that, they want to walk with one.
What would we say of a tightrope walker, for example, doing his performance on a rope, walking and wanting to balance on one foot, how would he walk on one foot? It would go down. So, we too, whoever wants to reach the intimate Self-Realization of the Being, has to walk with both feet and not be afraid of Satan, or of Hell, or of the Abyss. Hell is needed and Satan is needed, what would we do without Satan, without the Abyss? Read the book of Job. Where are we going to get the Treasury from? With what impulse is one going to work in the forge of the cyclops? That must be taken into account, gentlemen.
In the Middle Ages, there was a gnostic sect that was the sect of the Satanians; the dreadful Inquisition put an end to that sect, all the members of that institution were burned alive at the stake, but what was it that they worshiped? So, they worshiped Lucifer.
And who is Lucifer? Well, the reflection of the Logos in us, Kristus Lucifer or Christus Lucifer, without whom there can never be an "electric spark" for the work in the forge of cyclops.
There was also another gnostic sect in the Middle Ages, it was that of the Cainites, who worshiped Cain (that of the Cainites). They were burned alive at the stake. But let's see what was the argument of that sect, the base; that argument was very interesting: Fire. "Cain" backwards, how is it pronounced? Inca: The Incas, the priests of fire. So, "Cain" means "priests of fire", it is the sacred fire within the human being.
And why does Cain kill Abel? Who is Abel? You have to find out what “Abel” is and what “Isabel” is; here one has to appeal to all studies, let us say, from the roots of the language, to the etymology.
Is-abel: Is is a particle that reminds us of the Isiac mysteries, which is nothing other than Buddhi, Guinevere, the queen of the Jinn knights who poured wine into the delicious cups of Shukra and Manthin for Lancelot, the inner Buddhi.
And as for Abel, he is the human soul, which is masculine, the causal body. Behold the sign of Gemini within us, Isabel, the twins, the spiritual soul that is feminine, and the human soul that is masculine.
The Innermost (El) has (Isabel) two souls: one is the spiritual soul (which is Isis or is, the spiritual soul, buddhi, which is feminine) and the human soul that is masculine (who is Abel, the causal body).
Cain kills Abel, who is Cain? The fire. The fire kills Abel, who is Abel? The human soul.
What does he kill her with? With the jaw of a donkey, and what is the donkey? In alchemy, the Mercury of the wise, the sacred sperm, the Brute Azoth. So, what happened? Simply that when the vase of Hermes Trismegistus (the Thrice Great Ibis God of Thot) was spilled, the sacred fire descended; when descending, the spiritual human died, he left Eden, he lost all his powers; that is why it is said that Cain kills Abel (who is, the spiritual soul), with the “jaw of a donkey”, the sacred sperm, because he spilled it; and then the spiritual soul entered the mystical death, lost all its powers, that is, the exit from Paradise came. Well, that is what the doctrine of the Cainites was based on.
They were burned alive at the stake of the Inquisition.
And then comes another gnostic sect, also very important in Europe, the sect of the Iscariots, supporters of Judas Iscariot, they also burned them at the stake without any consideration, the Holy Inquisition gave an account of them. But who were the Iscariots? Bear in mind that Judas, the apostle of the divine Nazarene, is not, as they say, that traitor; that is a slander raised against the apostle. Judas Iscariot is the best disciple of our Lord the Christ, he is a great hierophant who played a role, he learned it by heart. It is a cosmic drama, a drama that has been performed in all times and in all ages. The cosmic drama is that of the Christic Gospel. That drama was brought to Earth by the Elohim, it came from other spheres. Moreover, Judas did not want to play that role either, he wanted the role of Peter, but Jesus had already chosen him for the role of Judas . So, each of the twelve learned their role by heart, it is a work of art, a dramatic work, and each one had to learn their role by heart, and Judas had to learn that role and rehearse it many times, and to coincided with the holy scriptures; it had to be perfect.
Question: So, venerable master, by fulfilling that role Judas did not receive karma?
Samael Aun Weor: On the contrary, dharma by millions, by tons. Judas Iscariot is a great master; neither he wanted that role either. He did nothing but to repeat what he had learned by heart, as it had to be done. He had to be exact, precise, at the right time; everything had to be perfect according to the role. But he has never betrayed Jesus, he is the best disciple of Jesus. And not only did Judas get there, but he descended into the Abyss and lives in the infernal worlds. I saw that they hung him, they put ropes on him in the Abyss (when I went to visit the Abyss), and he let himself be hung. Of a unique humility that killed the ego, he does not have ego yet he lives there, in the Abyss, and doing what? Fighting to save the lost, those who have no remedy; he is like a ray of Christ lost in the Abyss, suffering for the lost.
It is something extraordinary, nobody knows where Judas has gone. If there is a man who has earned the right to enter the Unmanifested Absolute, it is Judas Iscariot. None of us serve to remove Judas’ sandals. I don't even think I'm capable of taking his sandals off, I still don't feel capable of doing what Judas did, I don't feel capable. I don't know if any of you feel capable. That of living in the Abyss renouncing all happiness, devoid of ego, yet living in the Abyss trying to save the lost (not even in the physical world); hated by all the crowds and all that stuff, considered a traitor, when all he's done is obey the Lord.
No one even remotely suspects the sacrifice that Judas did for humanity. He is the only one who has not had honors; for him there has been no praise, no one has praised him. How dead will his ego be? So, he is the best of the disciples that the Christ has. Well, and yet now his body of doctrine is extraordinary. The Iscariots had studied the body of doctrine of Judas: the total death of the ego.
All the mysteries of Judas must be lived in the causal world: the mysteries of Judas, the absolute death of the animal ego. Nothing can remain of the ego, since Judas, as master, left nothing of ego, he renounced everything that tastes of happiness and lives in the Abyss among the lost; the best of the Lord's disciples. He is the greatest of the sacrificed, the one who has the most right to happiness yet lives in the Abyss among the reprobates, among those who have no remedy; he is there, solely for the love of humanity, trying in the darkness to look for someone who loves the light. When he manages to find someone repentant, he will instruct him and if he manages to get him out, he brings him out of the Abyss; that is what Judas does. So, condemning Judas is the worst of crimes. The one we have to condemn is the inner Judas; that is his body of doctrine.
That traitor who sells the Lord for thirty pieces of silver, (which is nothing else that exchanges it for pleasures, liquors, and all the things of the world) is the one who must be condemned and judged. Judas indicated that to us with his doctrine. That is his doctrine, his doctrine is the most profound: the absolute death of the ego. If there is one man who deserves reverence, it is Judas Iscariot.
The Gnostic sect of the Iscariots in Europe was persecuted by the Inquisition, all the members of the sect of the Iscariots were burned alive in the bonfires that burned in Europe, so you are seeing terrible things, right?
I want to say to you emphatically that the humanoids that inhabit the face of the Earth are little machines in charge of capturing certain types and subtypes of cosmic energy, which they then automatically transform and relay to the inner layers of the planetary organism, and thanks to that they can live on the planet Earth. So, the intellectual animal is placed solely and exclusively at the service of Nature, that is its only objective: the economy of Nature.
Now, however, the Sun is not cruel. The Sun has also deposited the germs for the creation of the human being in the glands of these little machines. Those germs can be lost; the normal thing is that they are lost. But if one cooperates with the Sun, if one truly cooperates with that Star King, then those germs develop and unfold, and a human arises within the intellectual animal, in the same way that within the chrysalis the butterfly is formed that one day goes out and flies. So, the interesting thing is to cooperate with the Sun, and one of the greatest ways to cooperate is not to disturb the "ground" in which these germs have to develop.
Question: The ground?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, I mean the "ground", the "ground", better to say, that "ground" where germs have to develop, which is none other than precisely the human body itself.
If the glands are disturbed, if you put people through animal transplantation issues, if you lend yourself to gland experiments (swapping human glands for monkey glands) or thyroxine treatments for weight loss and so on and so forth, the result is that the germs cannot grow and the experiment fails.
When a race becomes too mechanistic and loses all interest in solar ideas, in solar intelligence, the Sun, in turn, loses all interest in that race and destroys it, it is no longer useful for its experiment. And the Sun is right, very right, because he has created this delicate film of organic life in the earth's crust; a very detailed work for him, very meticulous, and it is only fair that he gets his reward: a harvest of solar humans; the sun have the right to get such reward, a harvest of solar humans. So, if a race does not serve it, it destroys it, this is what is happening with this current root race; it does not serve him, then he will destroy it, he destroys it because it does not serve him for his experiment. So, then, there is a need to cooperate with the Sun so that the human is born inside.
Now, there is a codex of Anahuac that I read, which says:
"The gods created men of wood and thereafter they fused them with the divinity."
but then the same codex added:
"Not all men manage to merge with the divinity”.
So, creating the human is one part, merging it with divinity is another part; when a human merges with divinity, one becomes a superhuman, then yes, the superhuman is born; but it must be fused with the divine. Now, a human does not always merge with the divine.
It does not merge with the divinity when it does not eliminate the undesirable elements that such human carries within, that is, the psychological defects: anger, greed, gluttony, pride, laziness, and etc., etc., etc., and so many other weeds. As long as those undesirable elements that we carry inside are not eliminated, integration with the divinity is not possible, and if a human is not integrated with the divinity, then one becomes a hasnamuss, with a double center of gravity, becomes an abortion of the Cosmic Mother, a failure. There are many hasnamussen out there who have failed. A human has been created, but the integration with the divine has not been achieved. So, have you fully understood what the hasnamussen are?
Well, now by specifying more about this subject-matter of the hasnamussen, it is worth knowing them; there are four kinds of hasnamussen:
The first class of hasnamussen are the individuals who only possess the planetary body and nothing else. Do you know what the planetary body is? The physical body. Beyond what is in them is the ego (they have no more) and the essence bottled within their ego. So, they are subjects that due to the activities of their ego and some black magic, create a substance, let's say, fatal, which is practically that of a hasnamuss. Well, this first one is mortal because at the time of death all those "I's" disincarnate and remain in the internal worlds, but the hasnamussian substance continues to exist for a while, but it does not cause greater damage because it does not have the existential bodies or superiors of the Being, there is no focal center, there is no Permanent Center of Gravity, these hasnamussen are mortal; the substance disintegrates and the ego returns, as always, to new physical bodies.
But there is a second class of hasnamussen who created the astral body, who have it, but they didn't create any other vehicle, they only made the astral. Well, this class of individuals, obviously, if they do not eliminate what they have of hasnamussen (sorcery, black magic and all those things), then there is no choice but to reincorporate them in animal organisms: dogs, horses, cats, etc., etc., etc., they have to keep taking animal bodies until they eliminate what they have of hasnamussen.
There is a third class of hasnamussen who are the true humans but who did not eliminate the ego, that is what we could call hasnamussen with a double center of gravity; they have two personalities: one divine, dressed with the superior existential bodies of the Being and the other, therefore, terribly malignant, formed by their ego, by the abominable Kundabuffer organ developed in the chakras. These are very dangerous hasnamussen, if they don't eliminate what they have of hasnamussen, they have no choice but to go through the Second Death in the infernal worlds.
Finally, there is a fourth class of hasnamussen: fallen Dhyani Bodhisattvas. I was a fourth class of hasnamussen when I was fallen, I was a fourth class, then I had two definite personalities formed: one divine and the other dark, but the fourth class preserves the memory of the ages, the awakened consciousness. They always suffer a lot, the unspeakable, until they manage to get up (the fourth class), but if they do not rise up again, they then have no choice but to enter the submerged regions of the infernal worlds until the Second Death.
So these are the four kinds of hasnamussen, four kinds.
Question: So, in the ordinary world, individuals who did nothing fare better?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, these are little machines at the service of Nature's economy and thanks to these little machines, Nature is receiving enough food but they are machines at the service of Nature, and as machines they are useful and needed to feed the planet Earth.
Question: I want to ask you a question, master, to clarify for me a bit, and it is this, so that it remains recorded: the Gnostic movement of South America was all moved when the sad reality arrived that the M.G.C.U. was declining and degenerating, what can you tell us about this?
Samael Aun Weor: There were some degenerate sectors, it is true; some sectors were in a devolving march. That is why, in this year (1976) of the law, strong, rigorous measures had to be taken; and it is necessary to continue taking them strong, because there is no other choice, to be able to straighten out the movement.
There were decrepitude processes in some sections, I am not referring exclusively to Colombia, no! I clarify, the entire Western Hemisphere in general, and rigorous measures had to be taken, including Mexico. There were processes of decrepitude, but it can be said in terms, let us say, of synthesis, that the movement advances victorious, triumphant, that it is marching towards total success; that today it is triumphant in all of America, and although it is true that corrections have had to be made, of course, the movement is triumphant throughout all of America, victorious, including the United States and with basic principles already in Canada, that is the reality.
Question: Because we had accepted that everything, as it was said, because it was said that everything, that absolutely the entire movement was in degeneration, that it was the failure of the avatar, that he took a quarter of a century plowing in the desert.
Samael Aun Weor: Well, the reality is that the movement is triumphant. There were sections, there were places, regions, where there were processes of decrepitude, of decline, but all that has already been overcome and today the movement is triumphantly marching; that is the harsh reality of the facts.
Well, so you've got this whole hasnamussen thing right. Since this is very important to know; one on this path has to walk very consciously, right? To have complete knowledge about it.
Listen, there are also very serious cases, very serious, I am going to tell you about a very serious one; for example: We have the case of Moloch; I set out to investigate him. I descended to the infernal worlds with the purpose of investigating him, I called him there with the Great Call of Peter of Apollonius and he came on a spirited steed through the Red Plain (speaking in Dantean terms), then his words were these:
"Oh, Samael, I used to find you up there with the little angels, so, you are down here as well?"
My answer, "You're wrong, Moloch, I don't live down here, I've only come down to investigate you and that is all."
He turned and went on his spirited steed, but I did manage to investigate him; the sarcasm with which he said “I used to find you up there with the little angels” is that for him the little angels were worth a little more or less that an “umbrella”, they were something like kindergarten books; I realized, I was able to evidence that that man was in a larger enterprise (investigating I knew that he was a Throne), is the bodhisattva of a Throne no less, a Throne, a fallen Throne, Moloch.
Question: Of the four Thrones?
Samael Aun Weor: No, different, one of the fallen Thrones.
What is what this man is looking for, if he is a Throne, and why does he speak with such sarcasm about the little angels? What is this man looking for? I tried to know something more about him and I came to realize, to the conclusion: obviously, he will go through the Second Death with the destruction of the ego and the superior existential bodies of the Being; he will possibly live millions of more years in the Abyss, but in the end, he will disintegrate atomically and his essence will resurface in the light of the Sun, to restart the new journey on a higher level, in accordance with the law of the spiral of life. Then, he will become a gnome of a superior, hierarchical type, who will study carefully with his conscience the laws that govern the mineral world. And when he enters the vegetable paradises, he will be an elemental who will study in depth the science of the vegetable, he will practice it and learn to handle the laws of the vegetable; a highly intelligent, hierarchical vegetable elemental. And when he enters animal evolution, he will be an animal elemental with the ability to study the laws of the animal world and learn to handle them. When he re-enters the human state that he once lost, he will once again be a cognizant superhuman, ... right? Let's say, in the humanoid state, a kind of superconscious humanoid... and then as a human (when he has fabricated the superior existential bodies of the Being), he will create even superior existential bodies by knowledge and mastery. And when he re-enters his god, which is a Throne, he will have risen to a cosmocreator, he will have learned to create worlds and to handle laws; that is what I came to discover, such a procedure is used by the gods who want to go up in degrees; this is why on some occasion I said: " The most divine gods are those who have been demons; the greatest gods are those who were devils."
I said that in the "Revolution of Beelzebub": "Demons become Gods"; that is one of the great mysteries ... I am divulging nothing less than the secret of the Abyss. For my part, I tell you frankly, with descents into the Abyss I reached (thanks to my inner God) the degree of a cosmocreator, but now I only wish for one single thing, to depart from the path of cosmocreators (if my Father thus wants it), and follow the path to the Absolute. Why? Because, for example, I see the god Sirius, how many times did the God Sirius descend into the Abyss? How many times he went through the Second Death to now become the ruler of the Milky Way? So, it is a path in which one becomes entangled in the karma of the worlds, therefore, it is preferable to reach the Absolute.
And what is the Absolute? It can be treated from the point of view of the Middle East, as the Turkman, Armenian or Persian style; I prefer to think of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father who is less cold than the point of view of the substances of Siam; the Eternal Common Cosmic Father, the Omni Merciful, the Infinity that sustains all. Of course, one can merge with his inner God to become a true superhuman, a true Kumara; but later to integrate with the Eternal Common Cosmic Father, the ineffable Elohim, the Ain Soph Aur or the Ain, the Eternal Common Cosmic Father, the Infinity that sustains all. At that point one is said to have attained the Holy Anklad; But staying within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father is the difficult thing, because the longing of even a second would suffice, the longing to be something or someone or to exist in any form, in any world, to be something, to immediately detach oneself from the Eternal Common Cosmic Father and fall into the world of the three laws, into the kingdom of the Creator Demiurge; so staying within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father is the difficult thing.
We have before us two paths: before those who follow the direct, the path of becoming Cosmocreators or that of getting lost within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father.
I would say: Why be more and more hierarchical among the dust of the worlds? It is better to lose oneself within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father, who has all the powers and attributes, and all the happiness. This is an approach that I make to you about the paths, and that is very important; so that, "the gods have been demons."
In any case, the gods were devils and many times a hierarchical god like the god Neptune throws himself into the Abyss to resurface later, more powerful. Neptune, once here, fell down; but hey, there are Gods who go down to the Abyss intentionally and are confused with the Demons and disintegrate, they become cosmic dust. Gods who fall, who rush into Hell, later, later reappear more powerful than before. The alchemist also throws the Stone into the Water, later it gives life and it is more powerful than before, that is obvious.
A disciple states: I have always had a profound respect for the wisdom within evil.
Samael Aun Weor: The wisdom within evil is tremendous, but let's not think either ... Well, and there is a certain reason, for example in the Marquis de Sade, who thought about liberation through evil; in a way he was right. Obviously, when the pervert goes through the Second Death, his essence is released, that is obvious. But what horrors and what sufferings, and all he has to pass through Hell is frightening, frightening and it goes out to the other side, passing through the nine Dantean circles.
Question: Well, and there must be something to the wisdom of the circles, because not only does one see on the path of light; on the material path I have seen many elementals of Nature describe beautiful circles around me, some of defense, others of protection, others of information, beautiful circles.
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, everyone are elementals. Anyone who has not reached the state of human being is an elemental bottled up within the "I's", but is an elemental. If the "I's" are destroyed, the pure elemental remains, the same one that began as mineral and as vegetable, and that continued as animal, but it is the same; when the "I's" are destroyed, the elemental remains; that is, an elemental and nothing else.
Question: I think that today they are part as elementals, as gnomes of the earth, as undines and nereids, as sylphs and sylphs, who are in that paradisiacal state, they have a gigantic wisdom and they inform and direct events.
Samael Aun Weor: Yes they have it because the consciousness is awake, the elementals are awake, but what I want to tell you is this: an elemental embedded in a human body or embedded between a plant or embedded between an animal or living in the world of rocks It is the same elemental, I have seen it in the experiments.
That is why a subject XX, a gentleman who listened to me in the ancient Egypt of the pharaohs (he was not an initiate, far from it, but he did accept the doctrine of disintegrating the red demons of Seth, as we said in Upper and Lower Egypt , that is, the "I's") did part of the work in life, disintegrated, let's say, 50%, and after death received instruction. We taught him how to close wombs. So, after death, when the hurricane of karma howled horribly, he then remained serene, impassive. When the dark demons attacked him with fury, he then remained serene, impassive; when the storm over his head rained with thunder and lightning, impassive; when he came to a certain place where men and women copulated; serene, without sympathy for anyone, or antipathy for anyone, he did not seek refuge in any cave in the midst of the storm, because he knew that seeking refuge in the storm was equivalent to being imprisoned within some womb. That cave would be some womb. He did not seek refuge in anything or anyone; finally, his Father-Mother subjected him to terrible tests; he stood firm.
The priests of the temple gave him help by reminding him of his purpose, which was not to return to the world again. After all that, he was admitted to one of those kingdoms (as many kingdoms that there are in the molecular world, such as Tlalocan, such as the Kingdom of Long Hair or that of Great Concentration, in different kingdoms there), at the end of the day, he was admitted to one of those many realms, and there, his Divine Mother helped him to eliminate the "I's" that he had yet to eliminate; and at last the Essence was becoming free and it was taking on a very beautiful form: First like that of a 14 or 12 year old maiden, then it took the form of a very beautiful girl, finally, turned into a simple very beautiful feminine elemental, it took that aspect; he thus immersed himself among the Great Alaya of the Universe as a simple elemental.
Here too, in ancient Mexico, many initiates did the same and left the stage, they did not take part again. That is to say, elementals who were not interested later in reaching the statures of humans or gods, or anything else, but remained as elementals within the great bosom of the universe. Some of ancient Mexico did it intentionally with the purpose of coming back in the golden age, in order to enter a mystery school and become qualified adepts; meanwhile, they turned away from evolutions and devolutions, and withdrew from the cosmic stage and immersed themselves among the Great Alaya of the universe, through that procedure nothing else.
Question: Venerable master, then those elementals in the golden age will be able to return to take body?
Samael Aun Weor: To take body if it is his will and then create the superior existential bodies of the Being, become humans, later adepts and gods, but many of those prefer to postpone and some of them simply do not want to be humans, nor gods, or anything, but simply want to stay forever in all eternity as simple elementals submerged in the Great Alaya of the universe.
So there is everything. There are individuals who have gone through all the cycles of manifestation, through the 3,000 cycles and who never created the superior existential bodies of the Being, nor did they do the work on themselves. Those who finally finished their 3,000 cycles of manifestation, leave, immerse themselves within the Universal Spirit of Life as simple elementals, elementals with knowledge of good and evil, but elementals.
Being a human is something very different. When one becomes a human, if one ceases to be elemental to become a human, one must create the bodies, have done all the work on oneself, have disintegrated the ego, have created vehicles, have done everything. But there are many who prefer to remain as simple elementals. So, I have shown you different types of people.
I follow the direct path, which is the most exalted path, but it is also the most difficult and the most dangerous. I march down that path, the direct path.
Question: Venerable master, can you also reach to be a human through the spiral path?
Samael Aun Weor: The spiral path cannot be taken but by humans, only by humans. When someone becomes a human, he has before him the two paths: that of the spiral which is one hundred percent Nirvanic (which the Nirvanis rarely take physical body) and that of the direct path that goes directly to the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father. Of course, those who go through the spiral also do not have the same triumphs as the one who goes through the direct path, no gentlemen, since he has fewer dangers.
The direct path, for example, is so terrible that very few can follow it, it departs from the laws of evolution and devolution, it revolutionizes against everything and everyone, it is a chain-breaker everywhere, a path of the sword in hand, against oneself, against the world, against everything, is the doctrine of the marching Red Christ, of a rebellious Christ who has nothing foolish or prudish (like that of the parish churches), but a revolutionary and terrible Christ. That is the path of the direct, very few can follow it.
Question: Venerable master, is the Red Christ of those who take the direct, in the end the same Christ of the ones who take the spiral path? (Zodiacal Course: The Nirvanis work under the direction of their stellar Fathers.)
Samael Aun Weor: Well, undoubtedly the Christ is always the Christ; but it is that, let us say, those of the direct acquire certain powers, certain qualities, certain deep esoteric attributes that the one who goes by the spiral path never achieves.
The one of the spiral path is always enjoying Nirvana, and seldom takes a body. The one of the direct path renounces all happiness to stay down here in flesh and blood, living as a human among humanoids, struggling, suffering throughout the mahamanvantara, to see if one manages at the end of the mahamanvantara to submerge within the bosom of the Eternal Common Cosmic Father forever, and if not, to follow the same path again, until at last, in any mahamanvantara, one achieves it.
I have been following this path for several mahamanvantaras and I still have not achieved it (and I go on the direct path and I have not achieved it).
Question: Did the Master Jesus Christ succeed?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, he did. But I have not succeeded; Let's see if I can do it, I don't know. For my part, I have resolved to renounce all happiness above and below and stay here, as they say “with the gloves off”, to work terribly for humanity, renouncing all happiness, all paradises and all happiness. That is pretty hard right?
For this purpose, in order to continue for humanity, I have had no choice but to reincarnate, because, I am currently in the process of reincarnation, I do not need to go through reincarnation as all ordinary human beings go through, no! I reincarnate during life. My life in my South American body did not last more than 58 years, I died (in 1975) at the age of 58, and my South American body does not exist, it died (it died last year); you will say: "how strange that is not?".
Since then, I began to reincarnate in my Egyptian body and an atomic exchange began between the South American vehicle and the Egyptian body that is inside a sarcophagus under a pyramid. A very interesting atomic molecular exchange began. This atomic molecular exchange allows all the atoms here to stay there, in Egypt, in the sarcophagus, and all the atoms of the mummy to stay here; In a word, if you, for example, did an experiment: An atom of yours detaches itself, for example, from your arm here and passes here to the arm of our Brother X., in turn from there, to the arm of Brother X., from the Exact same point, the atom is detached, where your atom has to be placed and returns and occupies the empty place; and so you pass it between an atomic exchange between the two of you; you end up dressed in Brother X.'s body, and Brother X ends up dressed in your vehicle, that is obvious; it is an atomic exchange.
Question: In one of your first works, venerable master, you tell us the case of a master who also had to carry out this work.
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, in a similar way, but not the same because I am doing the atomic exchange with my own Egyptian body that is alive in a sarcophagus, alive, in a state of catalepsy, so that I am exchanging the atoms reincarnated in my own Egyptian body.
Today, esoterically it is said that I am one year old.
Question: That sarcophagus, venerable master, is it hidden?
Samael Aun Weor: Yes, it is under a pyramid and I have my Egyptian body there. I already have at least part of the Egyptian head, and the whole body is subjected to constant atomic exchange, from moment to moment, from second to second. When it is two years old it will be noticeable a little more, when he is seven years old it will be more noticeable. When you reach the age of 21 (of age), you will see the full Egyptian; and fully complete by the age of 30. Then, the entire Egyptian body will be here and the entire body of South America will remain in Egypt, in the place of the sarcophagus, within the sarcophagus. This atomic exchange in esotericism is called "reincarnation". I am reincarnating in life to be able to stay with the Egyptian body working for humanity for an infinite time, throughout the mahamanvantara.
Question: Venerable master, does the South American body then remain as your reserve vehicle for any need?
Samael Aun Weor: For any need it is in the sarcophagus. And I no longer have the whole body here that you knew. Now the head, if you look at it well, is no longer the same, and the head more than everything is Egyptian. I do not want to tell you that the total change has been made, it begins, until now, one year of age nothing more. The South American body died. The vital body that I have here is that of the Egyptian body, I have already made the change; the vital body that my South American body had, back in Egypt, the vital body of the mummy, stayed here.
The South American body personality (that personality that talked to you and all that), I constantly have to fight it and there are times when it appears and I draw the sword and draw it. One day I was giving a lecture and he sat next to me, coming to give a lecture; I had to draw my sword and run it, make it flee. "Go back to the grave," I said; And he went to Egypt, I discarded it.
Here the personality I have is the same as it was in the time of ancient Egypt of the pharaohs, it is the one I have here, the Egyptian personality; through that personality I am speaking and I am acting. It is clear that by having the Egyptian vital body and the Egyptian personality here, I am pulling the atoms of the Egyptian body more quickly and more effectively, from moment to moment. So, in that form I will continue to work, but my South American body died (in 1975) at the age of 58.
(Note of the translator: Samael Aun Weor personally told me in September 1977: "I have desintegrated my South American personality. Thus now that personality does not exist anymore; I am completely dead, I am death itself").