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  Saturday, 13 July 2013
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Is telling other Gnostic students Ur experiences bad? and if it is what would be the consequences?
10 years ago
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#3994
Accepted Answer
READ THE BOOKS.

We have to kill our human “I” in order for our Being to be born in us. The human “I” enjoys exhibiting powers. Wretched are the initiates who go around prophesying to people; they shall die assassinated because of not knowing how to be silent.

[...]

We have to cease the process of the “I” in order to enter into the Absolute. The human “I” must enter into the house of the dead, it must go to the common grave of the astral rubbish. The “I” must be disintegrated in the Abyss in order for the Being, full of majesty and power, to be born.

The “I” of many Masters enjoys its powers and lordships; it boasts of himself being divine and garbs himself with ineffable majesty and beauty. The “I” of many Masters divests himself like a prostitute in order to show its forms and powers to others; it enjoys boasting about his visions so that others will admire it and venerate it. It speaks about his initiations and tells its secrets, yes, it is like the miserly person who lives counting his money, or like the scoundrel who goes around full of pride, constantly boasting about his high lineage and great wealth.

Listen to me, you humans and Gods! Initiations are the awakenings of the consciousness, intimate matters of the consciousness. So, let us learn how to be silent, to be humble and modest.

[...]

This is why the esoteric discipline is very severe, and also why the clairvoyant must not go around boasting about his visions to others because he will lose his powers.

[...]

In order to develop clairvoyance, it is necessary to know how to be silent. Clairvoyants who boast about their visions are worthless; these types of sacrilegious individuals must be cast out of the Gnostic sanctuaries.


Every student of occultism, upon having his first clairvoyant visions, has a tendency to tell the whole world. Then the others laugh at him, and since their vibrations are negative, the novice ends up losing his mind.


Indeed, the subjective clairvoyant transfers his dreaming type of consciousness to his vigil state of consciousness in order to see in others his own projected dreams. Thus, these projected dreams change according to the temperamental state of the dreamer. In the past, we have been able to confirm that when some pseudo-clairvoyant agreed with all our ideas and concepts, he would then see us as Angels or Gods; thus, he would praise us and even adore us. Nevertheless, when he changed his concept, when the pseudo-clairvoyant became enthusiastic about some new school, when he read some book that appeared marvelous to him, when he listened to some lecturer who came to town, when he resolved to change orga- nizations or schools, then he would accuse us of being black magicians and would see us as demons, etc. This demonstrates that these pseudo-clairvoyants are only dreamers who see their own dreams projected in the Astral Light.

The students who really want to reach the ineffable heights of true and legitimate clairvoyance must be extremely careful of the danger from those who deceive themselves. Thus, the students must submit themselves to authentic esoteric discipline.

Reality

The true and legitimate clairvoyant, the one who has achieved supraconsciousness, never presumes of being a clairvoyant, never goes about saying so. When he gives advice, he does so without making others understand that he does it based on his clairvoyance.

All Gnostic sanctuaries must beware of those people who praise themselves and call themselves clairvoyant.

All Gnostic sanctuaries must exercise the greatest of vigi- lance to protect themselves against the spectacular pseudo- clairvoyants who, from time to time, appear on the scene to slander and discredit others, assuring us that such fellow is a sorcerer, that such a fellow is a black magician, that such a fellow is fallen, etc. It is urgent to comprehend that no authentic Turiya has pride. Indeed, all those who say, “I am the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, Napoleon,” etc., are proud fools, misguided pseudo-clairvoyants, stupid fools.

In front of the terrible and glorious majesty of the Father, we are nothing but miserable particles of dust, horrible worms of the mud. What I am stating in this paragraph is neither an allegorical nor a symbolic matter. I am literally and bluntly asserting a terrible reality.

“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor

10 years ago
·
#3994
Accepted Answer
READ THE BOOKS.

We have to kill our human “I” in order for our Being to be born in us. The human “I” enjoys exhibiting powers. Wretched are the initiates who go around prophesying to people; they shall die assassinated because of not knowing how to be silent.

[...]

We have to cease the process of the “I” in order to enter into the Absolute. The human “I” must enter into the house of the dead, it must go to the common grave of the astral rubbish. The “I” must be disintegrated in the Abyss in order for the Being, full of majesty and power, to be born.

The “I” of many Masters enjoys its powers and lordships; it boasts of himself being divine and garbs himself with ineffable majesty and beauty. The “I” of many Masters divests himself like a prostitute in order to show its forms and powers to others; it enjoys boasting about his visions so that others will admire it and venerate it. It speaks about his initiations and tells its secrets, yes, it is like the miserly person who lives counting his money, or like the scoundrel who goes around full of pride, constantly boasting about his high lineage and great wealth.

Listen to me, you humans and Gods! Initiations are the awakenings of the consciousness, intimate matters of the consciousness. So, let us learn how to be silent, to be humble and modest.

[...]

This is why the esoteric discipline is very severe, and also why the clairvoyant must not go around boasting about his visions to others because he will lose his powers.

[...]

In order to develop clairvoyance, it is necessary to know how to be silent. Clairvoyants who boast about their visions are worthless; these types of sacrilegious individuals must be cast out of the Gnostic sanctuaries.


Every student of occultism, upon having his first clairvoyant visions, has a tendency to tell the whole world. Then the others laugh at him, and since their vibrations are negative, the novice ends up losing his mind.


Indeed, the subjective clairvoyant transfers his dreaming type of consciousness to his vigil state of consciousness in order to see in others his own projected dreams. Thus, these projected dreams change according to the temperamental state of the dreamer. In the past, we have been able to confirm that when some pseudo-clairvoyant agreed with all our ideas and concepts, he would then see us as Angels or Gods; thus, he would praise us and even adore us. Nevertheless, when he changed his concept, when the pseudo-clairvoyant became enthusiastic about some new school, when he read some book that appeared marvelous to him, when he listened to some lecturer who came to town, when he resolved to change orga- nizations or schools, then he would accuse us of being black magicians and would see us as demons, etc. This demonstrates that these pseudo-clairvoyants are only dreamers who see their own dreams projected in the Astral Light.

The students who really want to reach the ineffable heights of true and legitimate clairvoyance must be extremely careful of the danger from those who deceive themselves. Thus, the students must submit themselves to authentic esoteric discipline.

Reality

The true and legitimate clairvoyant, the one who has achieved supraconsciousness, never presumes of being a clairvoyant, never goes about saying so. When he gives advice, he does so without making others understand that he does it based on his clairvoyance.

All Gnostic sanctuaries must beware of those people who praise themselves and call themselves clairvoyant.

All Gnostic sanctuaries must exercise the greatest of vigi- lance to protect themselves against the spectacular pseudo- clairvoyants who, from time to time, appear on the scene to slander and discredit others, assuring us that such fellow is a sorcerer, that such a fellow is a black magician, that such a fellow is fallen, etc. It is urgent to comprehend that no authentic Turiya has pride. Indeed, all those who say, “I am the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, Napoleon,” etc., are proud fools, misguided pseudo-clairvoyants, stupid fools.

In front of the terrible and glorious majesty of the Father, we are nothing but miserable particles of dust, horrible worms of the mud. What I am stating in this paragraph is neither an allegorical nor a symbolic matter. I am literally and bluntly asserting a terrible reality.

“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor

10 years ago
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#3995
What about if you are speaking your experiences to help other people? When I read Samael's books and saw that he spoke of his experiences I thought it was right for the reason that he helps others speaking of his experiences.
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