In which books, does samael, (or books from other masters) approach the subject of speaking with others, about our experiences in the astral dimension? I am looking for resources to study this topic further on my own.
In the yellow book, samael wrote that the initiate should not discuss his initial clairvoyant experiences, I think the quote is "must become sealed, like a garden with seven seals" and also mentions not to teach anyone, until their inner master instructs them to do so.
But in another book, (I cannot remember the title) he wrote "it is not a crime to say what we have experienced."
It is a hard subject to comprehend, since humanity has passed down many teachings from the picean era, where the traditions made the knowledge esoteric, and encrypted in occult terms, to avoid persecution. or to reserve it only for royalty.
We are told that this aquarian era is different when it comes to certain aspects of the work. Right now, I am under the impression, that if the scenario presented, is pure, and properly line with the factors of "Birth", "Death", and "Sacrifice", then it can warrant such discussion.
Obviously in the wrong scenario, and not in line with the 3 factors, the initiate would be dealing with "mystical pride", and without keeping it in check, i've heard it can be very counterproductive on the path..
Are there other places samael writes on these "seven seals", or the work of another master he is referencing? Or are these "seals" to be taken symbolically, rather then a given set of criteria to speak of our experiences, in order to help others that are on the path.
I am aware that we should not be taking the symbols of the astral literally, and that this can cause much confusion, or even crime, in certain cases. Even if I had an experience where I was told, to "go spread the word", I would still question whether or not this was my ego's or not, this is the whole conundrum people like me starting on the path are facing.
This subject I feel is often not spoken much about, and seems bound by traditions, or maybe just my own ignorance.
As well as resources, is there some advice, you would have?
Thank you eternally.
In the yellow book, samael wrote that the initiate should not discuss his initial clairvoyant experiences, I think the quote is "must become sealed, like a garden with seven seals" and also mentions not to teach anyone, until their inner master instructs them to do so.
But in another book, (I cannot remember the title) he wrote "it is not a crime to say what we have experienced."
It is a hard subject to comprehend, since humanity has passed down many teachings from the picean era, where the traditions made the knowledge esoteric, and encrypted in occult terms, to avoid persecution. or to reserve it only for royalty.
We are told that this aquarian era is different when it comes to certain aspects of the work. Right now, I am under the impression, that if the scenario presented, is pure, and properly line with the factors of "Birth", "Death", and "Sacrifice", then it can warrant such discussion.
Obviously in the wrong scenario, and not in line with the 3 factors, the initiate would be dealing with "mystical pride", and without keeping it in check, i've heard it can be very counterproductive on the path..
Are there other places samael writes on these "seven seals", or the work of another master he is referencing? Or are these "seals" to be taken symbolically, rather then a given set of criteria to speak of our experiences, in order to help others that are on the path.
I am aware that we should not be taking the symbols of the astral literally, and that this can cause much confusion, or even crime, in certain cases. Even if I had an experience where I was told, to "go spread the word", I would still question whether or not this was my ego's or not, this is the whole conundrum people like me starting on the path are facing.
This subject I feel is often not spoken much about, and seems bound by traditions, or maybe just my own ignorance.
As well as resources, is there some advice, you would have?
Thank you eternally.
Accepted Answer
"Our disciples must not recount their [astral] experiences to anyone." - Beyond Death
"The disciples must not talk with anybody about their Astral experiences, because the incredulous people - with their negative vibrations - will destroy the wonderful petals of their chakras, and will end up damaging their powers." - Igneous Rose
This applies to any kind of internal, spiritual experience:
"The clairvoyant without Initiation is liable to make very serious mistakes. The clairvoyant who goes around telling his visions to the whole world is liable to lose his faculty. The charlatan clairvoyant who talks about his visions can also lose his mental equilibrium. The clairvoyant must be quiet, humble, modest. The clairvoyant must be like a child. [...] The true and legitimate clairvoyant, the one who has achieved supraconsciousness, never presumes of being a clairvoyant [awakened], never goes about saying so. When he gives advice, he does so without making others understand that he does it based on his clairvoyance. All Gnostic sanctuaries must beware of those people who praise themselves [even mentally] and call themselves clairvoyant [i.e. who talk to others about their "experiences."] All Gnostic sanctuaries must exercise the greatest of vigilance to protect themselves against the spectacular pseudo-clairvoyants who, from time to time, appear on the scene to slander and discredit others, assuring us that such fellow is a sorcerer, that such a fellow is a black magician, that such a fellow is fallen, etc. It is urgent to comprehend that no authentic Turiya has pride. Indeed, all those who say [even to themselves], “I am the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, Napoleon,” etc., are proud fools, misguided pseudo-clairvoyants, stupid fools. In front of the terrible and glorious majesty of the Father, we are nothing but miserable particles of dust, horrible worms of the mud. What I am stating in this paragraph is neither an allegorical nor a symbolic matter. I am literally and bluntly asserting a terrible reality. Indeed, it is the “I” that says, “I am the master such-and- such, the reincarnation of the prophet so-and-so,” etc. Certainly the animal “I” is Satan. It is the “I,” the ego-devil, who feels himself to be a master, mahatma, hierophant, prophet, etc." - The Perfect Matrimony
"The whole tremendous responsibility of the Law falls upon the clairvoyant. There is a need to interpret symbols of the great Nature in the absolute absence of the “I.” Nonetheless, self-criticism must be multiplied, because when the “I” of the clairvoyant believes he knows a lot, then he feels himself infallible, omniscient, wise and even supposes that he sees and interprets with the absence of the “I.” These types of clairvoyants fortify the “I” so much that they end up converting themselves into terribly perverse demons." - Endocrinology
"The clairvoyant must be prudent. The clairvoyant must learn how to be silent." - Endocrinology
The four conditions that are needed to be a Magician are the following:
To know how to suffer.
To know how to be silent.
To know how to abstain.
To know how to die.
- Tarot and Kabbalah
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
Accepted Answer
"Our disciples must not recount their [astral] experiences to anyone." - Beyond Death
"The disciples must not talk with anybody about their Astral experiences, because the incredulous people - with their negative vibrations - will destroy the wonderful petals of their chakras, and will end up damaging their powers." - Igneous Rose
This applies to any kind of internal, spiritual experience:
"The clairvoyant without Initiation is liable to make very serious mistakes. The clairvoyant who goes around telling his visions to the whole world is liable to lose his faculty. The charlatan clairvoyant who talks about his visions can also lose his mental equilibrium. The clairvoyant must be quiet, humble, modest. The clairvoyant must be like a child. [...] The true and legitimate clairvoyant, the one who has achieved supraconsciousness, never presumes of being a clairvoyant [awakened], never goes about saying so. When he gives advice, he does so without making others understand that he does it based on his clairvoyance. All Gnostic sanctuaries must beware of those people who praise themselves [even mentally] and call themselves clairvoyant [i.e. who talk to others about their "experiences."] All Gnostic sanctuaries must exercise the greatest of vigilance to protect themselves against the spectacular pseudo-clairvoyants who, from time to time, appear on the scene to slander and discredit others, assuring us that such fellow is a sorcerer, that such a fellow is a black magician, that such a fellow is fallen, etc. It is urgent to comprehend that no authentic Turiya has pride. Indeed, all those who say [even to themselves], “I am the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene, John the Baptist, Napoleon,” etc., are proud fools, misguided pseudo-clairvoyants, stupid fools. In front of the terrible and glorious majesty of the Father, we are nothing but miserable particles of dust, horrible worms of the mud. What I am stating in this paragraph is neither an allegorical nor a symbolic matter. I am literally and bluntly asserting a terrible reality. Indeed, it is the “I” that says, “I am the master such-and- such, the reincarnation of the prophet so-and-so,” etc. Certainly the animal “I” is Satan. It is the “I,” the ego-devil, who feels himself to be a master, mahatma, hierophant, prophet, etc." - The Perfect Matrimony
"The whole tremendous responsibility of the Law falls upon the clairvoyant. There is a need to interpret symbols of the great Nature in the absolute absence of the “I.” Nonetheless, self-criticism must be multiplied, because when the “I” of the clairvoyant believes he knows a lot, then he feels himself infallible, omniscient, wise and even supposes that he sees and interprets with the absence of the “I.” These types of clairvoyants fortify the “I” so much that they end up converting themselves into terribly perverse demons." - Endocrinology
"The clairvoyant must be prudent. The clairvoyant must learn how to be silent." - Endocrinology
The four conditions that are needed to be a Magician are the following:
To know how to suffer.
To know how to be silent.
To know how to abstain.
To know how to die.
- Tarot and Kabbalah
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
I'm glad this has been clarified, it appears I have been mislead by my own mind.
Thank you so much for taking your time to provide these quotes.
Thank you so much for taking your time to provide these quotes.
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