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Why do prophets not practice what they preach?
His example? Samael Aun Weor grew old and died in 1977 at the age of 60. He died from stomach cancer. Cancer being a disease he claimed was the karmic punishment for fornication. Did he not fare well with the Rights of Rejuvenation seeing as he was a wrinkled old man? There are 6o year old fornicators who look healthier than him. I actually thought he was older than 60 based on pictures. Where was his elixir of long life?
Would it not make sense for the guy preaching doctrine to be a living example of those teachings? Should not he be the first to say, "I am 60 years old - and look - I have the likeness of a man 30 years old"? Should not he be saying, "I used the techniques in Esoteric Medicine and Practical Magic so now my cancer is cured!" or "It is now my 97th birthday today and I am as fit and virile as sexually potent as a 20 year old and look like a 40 year old"? Those would be examples to LIVE by? That's something someone can look at and say, "I want to imitate that. He's doing something right. He is living the teachings and so I see it is possible. I don't need blind belief. I have evidence in this man that what he says is most likely true." He talks about entering jinn states and flying, but he never flew. He had a car or traveled by plane. He talked about having powers over the elements, but he never started or stop fires or tornadoes with his will. So what example did he leave for us to follow? He just made claims about stuff that he himself never demonstrated. So what is this example?
I'm not saying he wasn't conscious, or chaste or whatever, but those aspects of his life are within his own personal world. If he ejaculated the semen behind closed doors I wouldn't know? If he was just as asleep as the rest of us I wouldn't know. If he was hanasmussen I wouldn't know. But there were certain things he taught that could have shown us he was the real deal. If an old man regenerated into youthfulness, had a body free of disease as he claimed gnostics should, if he recovered from his cancer and was still alive today healthier than ever, etc. His example is just talk about esoteric theories. But nothing he taught was actually manifest in this life. In essence, following his words would not be the same as following his example. The example he left doesn't reflect the things he taught.
But is that not exactly what happened? Is this not another belief system? If the only thing he taught was transmutation, awareness, meditation and astral projection perhaps one could say it isn't a belief system. Some would still call it that of course, but it would be wholly practical. They would be wrong. It would be like saying a heating repair class is a belief system. It would either have effective practices or not. No real room for lasting beliefs.
But he talks about all kinds of things outside the realm of practical application. Things that one can't honestly investigate and treat as absolute fact regardless of their spiritual skills. I can't go into a world where the environment can be changed and altered by anyone's will and claim it as proof of something in the physical world's past or future. Especially when you have these masters all contradicting themselves. Master M says the moon came after the earth. Samael says the moon came before the Earth. How can what they see be objective when they are reaching widely differing conclusions? How many times will he address another master by saying they are "mistaken"? At one point he says a succubus can be destroyed with sulfur, but then later says they are ego and can't be removed so easily. He said that the final part of his third mountain would take him to 61 years of age. He died before then. There is nothing in the Initiation of Job about dying. In fact, his account of a conversation with his Innermost revealed he'd continue on afterwards. It is mentioned in that chapter of the Three Mountains (43- The Resurrection) that the healing angels should heal him like Job was healed after his ordeal. Even Sameal aun Weor himself claimed he was allowed to keep his body.
Even if we assume he simply changed his mind, he has a responsibility to keep his body as long as he can. He doesn't get to not practice what he preaches and then tell people to follow his example. It's absurd.
The point is that it's a lot of unsubstantiated dogma. And you believe it. You don't know it; there is no gnosis involved. You simply believe what he says. Or perhaps, what you were shown. But given the fact that you have been told what to expect, your subconscious predisposition to fulfill what you are told, negates any genuine appeal to objectivity. Gnostic Anthropology, the threats of the ever looming destruction, the Hells, the highest heavens, the supremacy of angel over demon, evolution and devolution, all space traveling extra-terrestrials being good, planets being the bodies of angels, Sirius being the capital of the Milky Way, previous root races; all this constitutes a belief system.
Why do prophets not practice what they preach?
I sustain that Nirvana can be won by us in a single reincarnation, properly taken advantage of. Samael Aun Weor has delivered you this doctrine precisely for you to win Nirvana quickly and in a few years.
I do not want henchmen nor followers, only imitators of my example.
His example? Samael Aun Weor grew old and died in 1977 at the age of 60. He died from stomach cancer. Cancer being a disease he claimed was the karmic punishment for fornication. Did he not fare well with the Rights of Rejuvenation seeing as he was a wrinkled old man? There are 6o year old fornicators who look healthier than him. I actually thought he was older than 60 based on pictures. Where was his elixir of long life?
Would it not make sense for the guy preaching doctrine to be a living example of those teachings? Should not he be the first to say, "I am 60 years old - and look - I have the likeness of a man 30 years old"? Should not he be saying, "I used the techniques in Esoteric Medicine and Practical Magic so now my cancer is cured!" or "It is now my 97th birthday today and I am as fit and virile as sexually potent as a 20 year old and look like a 40 year old"? Those would be examples to LIVE by? That's something someone can look at and say, "I want to imitate that. He's doing something right. He is living the teachings and so I see it is possible. I don't need blind belief. I have evidence in this man that what he says is most likely true." He talks about entering jinn states and flying, but he never flew. He had a car or traveled by plane. He talked about having powers over the elements, but he never started or stop fires or tornadoes with his will. So what example did he leave for us to follow? He just made claims about stuff that he himself never demonstrated. So what is this example?
I'm not saying he wasn't conscious, or chaste or whatever, but those aspects of his life are within his own personal world. If he ejaculated the semen behind closed doors I wouldn't know? If he was just as asleep as the rest of us I wouldn't know. If he was hanasmussen I wouldn't know. But there were certain things he taught that could have shown us he was the real deal. If an old man regenerated into youthfulness, had a body free of disease as he claimed gnostics should, if he recovered from his cancer and was still alive today healthier than ever, etc. His example is just talk about esoteric theories. But nothing he taught was actually manifest in this life. In essence, following his words would not be the same as following his example. The example he left doesn't reflect the things he taught.
I have not come to form any sect or one more belief, neither am I interested in the schools of today, or the particular beliefs of anyone!
But is that not exactly what happened? Is this not another belief system? If the only thing he taught was transmutation, awareness, meditation and astral projection perhaps one could say it isn't a belief system. Some would still call it that of course, but it would be wholly practical. They would be wrong. It would be like saying a heating repair class is a belief system. It would either have effective practices or not. No real room for lasting beliefs.
But he talks about all kinds of things outside the realm of practical application. Things that one can't honestly investigate and treat as absolute fact regardless of their spiritual skills. I can't go into a world where the environment can be changed and altered by anyone's will and claim it as proof of something in the physical world's past or future. Especially when you have these masters all contradicting themselves. Master M says the moon came after the earth. Samael says the moon came before the Earth. How can what they see be objective when they are reaching widely differing conclusions? How many times will he address another master by saying they are "mistaken"? At one point he says a succubus can be destroyed with sulfur, but then later says they are ego and can't be removed so easily. He said that the final part of his third mountain would take him to 61 years of age. He died before then. There is nothing in the Initiation of Job about dying. In fact, his account of a conversation with his Innermost revealed he'd continue on afterwards. It is mentioned in that chapter of the Three Mountains (43- The Resurrection) that the healing angels should heal him like Job was healed after his ordeal. Even Sameal aun Weor himself claimed he was allowed to keep his body.
Some will question why I do not look younger. I will answer them that it is simply because I was not interested in preserving this physical body, but now, as I was informed that I could conserve this body for an indefinite time in order to initiate the Age of Aquarius, it is obvious that for this reason I have to practice these exercises. - Samael aun Weor from Tibetan Exercises
Even if we assume he simply changed his mind, he has a responsibility to keep his body as long as he can. He doesn't get to not practice what he preaches and then tell people to follow his example. It's absurd.
The point is that it's a lot of unsubstantiated dogma. And you believe it. You don't know it; there is no gnosis involved. You simply believe what he says. Or perhaps, what you were shown. But given the fact that you have been told what to expect, your subconscious predisposition to fulfill what you are told, negates any genuine appeal to objectivity. Gnostic Anthropology, the threats of the ever looming destruction, the Hells, the highest heavens, the supremacy of angel over demon, evolution and devolution, all space traveling extra-terrestrials being good, planets being the bodies of angels, Sirius being the capital of the Milky Way, previous root races; all this constitutes a belief system.