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Why do prophets not practice what they preach?

I sustain that Nirvana can be won by us in a single reincarnation, properly taken advantage of. Samael Aun Weor has delivered you this doctrine precisely for you to win Nirvana quickly and in a few years.

I do not want henchmen nor followers, only imitators of my example.



His example? Samael Aun Weor grew old and died in 1977 at the age of 60. He died from stomach cancer. Cancer being a disease he claimed was the karmic punishment for fornication. Did he not fare well with the Rights of Rejuvenation seeing as he was a wrinkled old man? There are 6o year old fornicators who look healthier than him. I actually thought he was older than 60 based on pictures. Where was his elixir of long life?

Would it not make sense for the guy preaching doctrine to be a living example of those teachings? Should not he be the first to say, "I am 60 years old - and look - I have the likeness of a man 30 years old"? Should not he be saying, "I used the techniques in Esoteric Medicine and Practical Magic so now my cancer is cured!" or "It is now my 97th birthday today and I am as fit and virile as sexually potent as a 20 year old and look like a 40 year old"? Those would be examples to LIVE by? That's something someone can look at and say, "I want to imitate that. He's doing something right. He is living the teachings and so I see it is possible. I don't need blind belief. I have evidence in this man that what he says is most likely true." He talks about entering jinn states and flying, but he never flew. He had a car or traveled by plane. He talked about having powers over the elements, but he never started or stop fires or tornadoes with his will. So what example did he leave for us to follow? He just made claims about stuff that he himself never demonstrated. So what is this example?

I'm not saying he wasn't conscious, or chaste or whatever, but those aspects of his life are within his own personal world. If he ejaculated the semen behind closed doors I wouldn't know? If he was just as asleep as the rest of us I wouldn't know. If he was hanasmussen I wouldn't know. But there were certain things he taught that could have shown us he was the real deal. If an old man regenerated into youthfulness, had a body free of disease as he claimed gnostics should, if he recovered from his cancer and was still alive today healthier than ever, etc. His example is just talk about esoteric theories. But nothing he taught was actually manifest in this life. In essence, following his words would not be the same as following his example. The example he left doesn't reflect the things he taught.

I have not come to form any sect or one more belief, neither am I interested in the schools of today, or the particular beliefs of anyone!


But is that not exactly what happened? Is this not another belief system? If the only thing he taught was transmutation, awareness, meditation and astral projection perhaps one could say it isn't a belief system. Some would still call it that of course, but it would be wholly practical. They would be wrong. It would be like saying a heating repair class is a belief system. It would either have effective practices or not. No real room for lasting beliefs.

But he talks about all kinds of things outside the realm of practical application. Things that one can't honestly investigate and treat as absolute fact regardless of their spiritual skills. I can't go into a world where the environment can be changed and altered by anyone's will and claim it as proof of something in the physical world's past or future. Especially when you have these masters all contradicting themselves. Master M says the moon came after the earth. Samael says the moon came before the Earth. How can what they see be objective when they are reaching widely differing conclusions? How many times will he address another master by saying they are "mistaken"? At one point he says a succubus can be destroyed with sulfur, but then later says they are ego and can't be removed so easily. He said that the final part of his third mountain would take him to 61 years of age. He died before then. There is nothing in the Initiation of Job about dying. In fact, his account of a conversation with his Innermost revealed he'd continue on afterwards. It is mentioned in that chapter of the Three Mountains (43- The Resurrection) that the healing angels should heal him like Job was healed after his ordeal. Even Sameal aun Weor himself claimed he was allowed to keep his body.

Some will question why I do not look younger. I will answer them that it is simply because I was not interested in preserving this physical body, but now, as I was informed that I could conserve this body for an indefinite time in order to initiate the Age of Aquarius, it is obvious that for this reason I have to practice these exercises. - Samael aun Weor from Tibetan Exercises


Even if we assume he simply changed his mind, he has a responsibility to keep his body as long as he can. He doesn't get to not practice what he preaches and then tell people to follow his example. It's absurd.

The point is that it's a lot of unsubstantiated dogma. And you believe it. You don't know it; there is no gnosis involved. You simply believe what he says. Or perhaps, what you were shown. But given the fact that you have been told what to expect, your subconscious predisposition to fulfill what you are told, negates any genuine appeal to objectivity. Gnostic Anthropology, the threats of the ever looming destruction, the Hells, the highest heavens, the supremacy of angel over demon, evolution and devolution, all space traveling extra-terrestrials being good, planets being the bodies of angels, Sirius being the capital of the Milky Way, previous root races; all this constitutes a belief system.
8 years ago
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#6089
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Yeah. Must be site troubles. That's the ticket. :P

There are some very clear and obvious answers to many of the quandaries and doubts that you've raised, but I'm not going to share them because my perception is that is not what you really need. You've pretty much said as much yourself, in your closing paragraph, where you indicated that even if we were to try to respond to you, you wouldn't believe anything we said.

(This might be why your post keeps getting deleted...)

But since you seem persistent, I am going to make a few observations.

You said...
The point is that it's a lot of unsubstantiated dogma. And you believe it. You don't know it; there is no gnosis involved. You simply believe what he says. Or perhaps, what you were shown. But given the fact that you have been told what to expect, your subconscious predisposition to fulfill what you are told, negates any genuine appeal to objectivity.


First of all, I would find it rather remarkable if your clairvoyant perception was so finely attuned that you could see the mental state of anonymous people over the Internet. That would be a rare trait indeed. A far more common trait is that we tend to project our own mental state onto our internal images of others.

So maybe you are the one who believes the unsubstantiated dogma. Or you did, and perhaps now you are experiencing disbelief.

Either way, your post conveys a sense of suffering, a type of pain, that I suspect comes from a mind that feels like it has been violated or betrayed.

It is clear that you have been studying this doctrine for a while, and you have asked many earnest questions on these forums (yes, I know you changed your name to make this post). And after all that, you come up with this. It seems you have finally become at least partially cognizant of the fact that you were handling these teachings like a belief system. It is good that you have made this realization. I commend you on breaking free of that bondage. The last thing we want is to create more slavery for the mind. These teachings are not meant to imprison our minds into concepts and ideas.

So now you are free. Well done. I'm certainly not going to try to write some words to lock you away again, to convince you to "believe." Everyone should be free to think whatever they want to think.

But the question is, now that you are free, where will you go? Are you going to get caught up again in the battle of the antitheses, into the dichotomy of belief and disbelief? Will you leave your prison cell behind in exchange for a new pair of shackles? Are you going to lock up your mind again?

My advice to you, which you are free to reject, is to leave that whole struggle behind. It is tiring. And there is no argument or explanation that can make it better. The mind can never know the Truth. The only solution is to break free of that duality.

If these objections you have raised are too overwhelming for you, you are welcome to leave. No one here wants to force or pressure anyone to stay, nor do we want to dominate anyone's mind (by means of arguments). And honestly, your soul is at stake here. When the stakes are that high, you should not be following the guidance of blinking lights on a computer screen. You should be seeking to know the will of your Inner God.

I recommend you reflect on the links I have posted below.
8 years ago
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#6059
I don't know if Samael Aun Weor was actually one of these Masters or a guy who just collected data by other occult scholars and presented it as his own or Hanasmussen like you say they are. I'm going to go to other Gnostic forums and see if I can get some personalized instruction.


I sustain that Nirvana can be won by us in a single reincarnation, properly taken advantage of. Samael Aun Weor has delivered you this doctrine precisely for you to win Nirvana quickly and in a few years.

I do not want henchmen nor followers, only imitators of my example.

I have not come to form any sect or one more belief, neither am I interested in the schools of today, or the particular beliefs of anyone...!


There exist bacteria and viruses, there is no doubt of this.

Bacteria originate many types of sicknesses. This has already been demonstrated in the test tubes of the laboratories.

In regard to pathogenic viruses, these are infinitely small and therefore more dangerous. Let us observe, for instance, the virus of cancer. Even though some might think that its isolation has still not been achieved, we have to inform you that in Israel the virus has already been isolated. We do not know with which name this virus was baptized.

We baptized this virus with the name “Cancro” and we have spoken about this extensively before. It is so tiny that a powerful electronic microscope is necessary in order to study it.

Regardless of the fact that these viruses are so tiny, they become more dangerous and more contagious.

Nonetheless, negative people, victims of negative emotions, become more contagious than viruses and bacteria.

Grouchy people, who are always filled with envy, who are always obnoxious at any given moment, people who are filled with morbid minds at any given time, people who suffer deliriums of persecution, who say they are bewitched, who say that are hated by everybody, are negative and infect the groups; they infect others.

In our work, we isolate such people. If they do not comprehend, if they feel upset and think that we do not love them, they are mistaken: we love them, and through this way we are insinuating that they must become positive, amicable, and magnetic. We offer them the opportunity to study our wisdom, but we isolate them in a certain way because they are dangerous for the groups.

A negative person can infect other negative people, and if this person dictates a lecture, then he infects thousands of people. They are more dangerous, thousand of times more dangerous, than viruses and bacteria.

There is the need to specify who the negative people are and which are the negative emotions.

It is not enough to say that such a fellow is negative or that the other fellow is not. There is the need to specify who are the negative people.

If a person is screaming, grouchy, and complaining all day, is this person positive or negative?

If a person is tremendously lustful and his life is processed by virtue of lust, if this person is full of frightful emotions and sees in each person of the opposite sex a sexual opportunity, what would we say about this person? If just a look from the opposite sex agitates him and that look is enough for him to be constantly with lust, what can we think of him? Obviously, he is a negative person, and of course this person comes to infect other people.

If a person goes everywhere from instant to instant with negative emotions, this person infects the whole world.

The angry ones who at any time are thundering and lightning infect other people with their anger.

It comes into my memory the case of a friend of mine who had the custom of placing his hands under the belt of his pants. So one day, a man approached him with a gun in his hand and asked him, “What’s the matter with you? Do you want to start something with me?”

Then my friend answered, “No!”

“So then why do you have your hands like that?”

My friend then answered, “It is a custom that I have, sir.”

The other person then said, “Ah well, excuse me, what happened is that I am enraged (with anger).”

Thus, this is an example of someone negative infecting the whole world.

People like this have to be isolated from groups; they do not understand or they do not comprehend that they are negative. They think that we do not love them, but we love them; what occurs is that they are infected people that interrupt the interior, profound development of the Being.

Behold, this is the grave part of this matter. Therefore, from a psychological point of view, it is necessary that we do not allow ourselves to be pulled in by negative emotions.

kabbalah-the-tree-of-lifeWe have the longing of visiting or entering within the Sephirothic regions of space. One thing is to grasp a Sephira and another thing is to penetrate within it. Obviously, the Sephiroth are atomic and we, the Gnostics, must penetrate within the Tree of Life.

We must know that there are many Sephirothic regions within space; to penetrate within them is marvelous.

How are we going to penetrate into the Kabbalistic region of Hod if we do not have a psychological body? There exist psychological projections (Astral projections). The diverse psychological aggregates can, at any given moment, integrate themselves in order to penetrate within the Sephira Hod (Astral World, or First Heaven). But this would only be a subjective entrance; this would not have objectivity as when the second body (Astral Body) has been created. This body has to be created in order to handle the emotions of this region. What type of emotions am I referring to? I am referring to superior emotions. The inferior emotions are an obstacle for experiencing what is Reality (God), and for the psychological development of the Being.

If we want to be born again, to create a second body, in order to penetrate into the Sephirotic region of Hod (the kingdom of heaven), then it is obvious that we should not torpidly waste our energies by letting ourselves be pulled in by negative emotions, such as violence, hatred, jealousy, pride, etc.

If the energies are wasted by inferior emotions, then with what energy are we going to create a psychological body? How is this going to be achieved if we are wasting the energies?

In order to create a psychological body (to be born again) it is necessary to save our energies.

In order to explore the regions of Hod (according to what has been taught, these immense regions are governed by ineffable beings, by solar beings, example: the Beni-Elohim or the Children of God who dwell within those profound regions) only the one who saves energies can penetrate into the profundities of Hod.

It would be impossible to penetrate or to have access to the mysteries of life and death without the Kabbalistic body of Hod. This is obvious.

Therefore, let us begin to save our energies. When a negative emotion is shaking us up, then it is worth knowing which psychological aggregate produced it. After having observed this aggregate (sin) in action, we must submit it to the technique of meditation, in order to comprehend and disintegrate it. Otherwise, how else are we going to do it?

What is most terrible is that negative emotions transform the human being into a liar. The liar produces a mistaken connection, because the energy of the Elder of Days (our Father who is in heaven, the Truth) flows harmoniously and perfectly throughout the ten Sephiroth of the Hebraic Kabbalah until reaching Malkuth (or the Kingdom), the physical person, or psycho-physical person. The liar connects himself in a wrong way; he intentionally, with his negative emotions, produces a dislocation of his mind, and consequently, a lie emerges, which is a mistaken connection.

One can be a liar due to a negative emotion that transforms us into slanderers and liars, or one can be consciously and by will a liar. In any case, these are negative connections of the mind with the superior centers of the Being. A dislocation of the mind with the superior centers of the Being is produced (therefore, we do not perceive things in their true sense).

We have to say the truth always, at any cost, and no matter what. To say the truth and nothing else but the truth is the crude fact of this matter.

So, negative emotions transform people into liars.

The karma of liars is monstrosity: children who are born with two heads, deformed children, are like that because they have been connected in the wrong way with the superior centers of the Being. These souls were intentionally and continuously lying in their past life. Therefore, they come into their new existence with a deformed body. Behold here what a lie is.

We must pay much attention to this matter.

solar-bodiesWhen one has created a second psychological body, which permits us to enter within the Sephirothic regions of Hod, one can evidence by oneself what a lie is, falseness.

Michael is the one who is the regent of such a Sephirah, and it is obvious that He marvelously shines within this region.

So, how are we going to explore those regions if we are liars, if we are victims of negative emotions? It is obvious that we cannot.

How are we going to explore the regions of Netzach if we do not correctly connect ourselves with the superior centers of the Being?

It is necessary to create a psychological Mental Body in order to explore the regions of Netzach (Mental World), otherwise it is impossible.

No one can create a psychological Mental Body if they allow themselves to be pulled in by negative emotions. There will not be enough energies in order to create this individual mind, which would permit us to explore the psychological regions of the universal mind.

So, in order to explore the regions of Hod and Netzach, it is necessary to utter the truth and nothing but the truth, and no person can say the truth if they are being pulled by negative emotions.

We need to obey the Father who is in heaven, and those who let themselves be pulled by negative emotions are not obeying the Father. The Father is the Truth and nothing but the Truth. So, in order to obey the Father who is in heaven, the psychological connections must be perfect. One must harmoniously and correctly learn to connect oneself with the Father who is in heaven.

The one who has also has created a body of Conscious Will has done so by having learned to obey the Father.

All of us have the Elder of Days within our depths, mentions the great Kabbalist Schimeon Ben Jochai, but few are those who know how to obey the Elder of Days.

One cannot obey the Elder of Days if one does not do the will of the Father. One does not do the will of the Father who is in heaven when one lies. The will of God the Father is not fulfilled when one allows oneself to be pulled by negative emotions.

Therefore, beloved readers, it is necessary to learn to live wisely. It is necessary to self-explore, to observe ourselves better.

So, we are now going to enter into an extraordinary epoch. The great selection has begun. Not all of this humanity who populate the face of the Earth will serve as a seed bed for the coming sixth Root Race, which will populate the future world.

Once this planet Earth is within the rings of Alcyone, then all we the workers of the Great Work have been stating will become evident.

The Tree of Life is the spinal medulla. This Tree of Wisdom is also the ten Sephiroth, the twenty-two creative Major Arcana, letters, sounds, and numbers, with which the Logos (God) created the universe.

Samael Aun Weor

Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that enters not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

But he that enters in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the porter opens; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calls his own sheep by name, and leads them out. And when he putts forth his own sheep, he goes before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spoke unto them.

Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.

The thief comes not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy:

I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly. I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.

But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep, and flees: and the wolf catches them, and scatters the sheep. The hireling flees, because he is an hireling, and cares not for the sheep.

I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knows me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

No man takes it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings. And many of them said, He has a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?

Others said, These are not the words of him that has a devil. Can a devil open the eyes of the blind? - John 10: 1-21

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

8 years ago
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#6088
No one here will attempt to convince you of anything.

Accepting or rejecting is a game of the mind.

Believing or disbelieving is a game of the mind.

It is better to neither believe nor disbelieve, accept nor reject.

To know does not require belief or acceptance.

“Doubt can only be removed by action.” - Goethe

You, clearly, have taken no action sufficient to eradicate your doubt. That is no ones fault but your own.

Doubt makes for a poor companion.

Skepticism eats the soul as efficiently as fanaticism.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

8 years ago
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#6089
Accepted Answer
Yeah. Must be site troubles. That's the ticket. :P

There are some very clear and obvious answers to many of the quandaries and doubts that you've raised, but I'm not going to share them because my perception is that is not what you really need. You've pretty much said as much yourself, in your closing paragraph, where you indicated that even if we were to try to respond to you, you wouldn't believe anything we said.

(This might be why your post keeps getting deleted...)

But since you seem persistent, I am going to make a few observations.

You said...
The point is that it's a lot of unsubstantiated dogma. And you believe it. You don't know it; there is no gnosis involved. You simply believe what he says. Or perhaps, what you were shown. But given the fact that you have been told what to expect, your subconscious predisposition to fulfill what you are told, negates any genuine appeal to objectivity.


First of all, I would find it rather remarkable if your clairvoyant perception was so finely attuned that you could see the mental state of anonymous people over the Internet. That would be a rare trait indeed. A far more common trait is that we tend to project our own mental state onto our internal images of others.

So maybe you are the one who believes the unsubstantiated dogma. Or you did, and perhaps now you are experiencing disbelief.

Either way, your post conveys a sense of suffering, a type of pain, that I suspect comes from a mind that feels like it has been violated or betrayed.

It is clear that you have been studying this doctrine for a while, and you have asked many earnest questions on these forums (yes, I know you changed your name to make this post). And after all that, you come up with this. It seems you have finally become at least partially cognizant of the fact that you were handling these teachings like a belief system. It is good that you have made this realization. I commend you on breaking free of that bondage. The last thing we want is to create more slavery for the mind. These teachings are not meant to imprison our minds into concepts and ideas.

So now you are free. Well done. I'm certainly not going to try to write some words to lock you away again, to convince you to "believe." Everyone should be free to think whatever they want to think.

But the question is, now that you are free, where will you go? Are you going to get caught up again in the battle of the antitheses, into the dichotomy of belief and disbelief? Will you leave your prison cell behind in exchange for a new pair of shackles? Are you going to lock up your mind again?

My advice to you, which you are free to reject, is to leave that whole struggle behind. It is tiring. And there is no argument or explanation that can make it better. The mind can never know the Truth. The only solution is to break free of that duality.

If these objections you have raised are too overwhelming for you, you are welcome to leave. No one here wants to force or pressure anyone to stay, nor do we want to dominate anyone's mind (by means of arguments). And honestly, your soul is at stake here. When the stakes are that high, you should not be following the guidance of blinking lights on a computer screen. You should be seeking to know the will of your Inner God.

I recommend you reflect on the links I have posted below.
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