Greetings All. I have come across a lot of talk and articles online, which talk about 'prolonged orgasm without ejaculation' and some statements talked about these ' orgasms/ cosmic orgasms'lasting for over an hour. What really is going on here. For me, just hearing the word orgasm makes me cringe, because I know that spilling the cup is sinning against the Holy Spirit. Im my practice, I will say that while I am able to retain my seed by praying to the Divine Mother in my Heart, and while I do have a drop of cowpers gland secretion which I know is normal, I never would describe that event as an orgasm, but more like a Love-ing ecstacy thats rich and peaceful and joyous and not feverish and doesnt make me forget the fact, that having an erection without the spill of the cup, is actually not because of my effort but by Grace. So my question is, what are these persons talking about. It seems that they have seperated the discharge from the climax pleasure, but is this possible? I would like to know, are they really experiencing orgasm without ejaculation? And if so, how will this help in the elimination of ego? Are these people able to conquer lust because they dont discharge? I cant believe that they are lying, so can someone please explain this more to me? Like, as an instructor what would you advice regarding such claims. I know that Master Samael's path, the path of white tantra is the only tantra true to its name. Both grey and black tantra are just paths to hell because it crystallizes the false ego instead of eliminating it. So in the above mentioned tantric practices of the people who claim 'orgasm without discharge' what is their goal? I have never read that they talk about yes there is hell and yes there is a devil and there is karma. So it seems that such persons objective is simply to extend 'pleasure intensity'? I would think that addiction to pleasure would only bind you more into maya and make the ego stronger. I think Wilhelm reich and others were well intentioned but sorely mistaken for advocating orgasm as a therapy! How horrible! Also in google search the article 'ormus and orgasm'. Strange days! Please instructors I would like your insights into these claims. How do we respond when we hear such accounts if we want to get to the bottom of it. I also suspect that some accounts might indicate that they are perhaps a victim of some sort of astral or mental parasitism. I imagine as castaneda has talked about 'voladores' or flyers, a species of inorganic beings whose food is human awareness. The more egomaniacal our self concern, the better we taste to them. However we can develop an awareness that is very unpalatable to them - awareness developed through discipline. So, I feel the urge of the orgasm is like a honey trap, seems sweet but so deadly. Hence my request to shed more light on these matters.