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  Thursday, 06 June 2013
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Greetings All. I have come across a lot of talk and articles online, which talk about 'prolonged orgasm without ejaculation' and some statements talked about these ' orgasms/ cosmic orgasms'lasting for over an hour. What really is going on here. For me, just hearing the word orgasm makes me cringe, because I know that spilling the cup is sinning against the Holy Spirit. Im my practice, I will say that while I am able to retain my seed by praying to the Divine Mother in my Heart, and while I do have a drop of cowpers gland secretion which I know is normal, I never would describe that event as an orgasm, but more like a Love-ing ecstacy thats rich and peaceful and joyous and not feverish and doesnt make me forget the fact, that having an erection without the spill of the cup, is actually not because of my effort but by Grace. So my question is, what are these persons talking about. It seems that they have seperated the discharge from the climax pleasure, but is this possible? I would like to know, are they really experiencing orgasm without ejaculation? And if so, how will this help in the elimination of ego? Are these people able to conquer lust because they dont discharge? I cant believe that they are lying, so can someone please explain this more to me? Like, as an instructor what would you advice regarding such claims. I know that Master Samael's path, the path of white tantra is the only tantra true to its name. Both grey and black tantra are just paths to hell because it crystallizes the false ego instead of eliminating it. So in the above mentioned tantric practices of the people who claim 'orgasm without discharge' what is their goal? I have never read that they talk about yes there is hell and yes there is a devil and there is karma. So it seems that such persons objective is simply to extend 'pleasure intensity'? I would think that addiction to pleasure would only bind you more into maya and make the ego stronger. I think Wilhelm reich and others were well intentioned but sorely mistaken for advocating orgasm as a therapy! How horrible! Also in google search the article 'ormus and orgasm'. Strange days! Please instructors I would like your insights into these claims. How do we respond when we hear such accounts if we want to get to the bottom of it. I also suspect that some accounts might indicate that they are perhaps a victim of some sort of astral or mental parasitism. I imagine as castaneda has talked about 'voladores' or flyers, a species of inorganic beings whose food is human awareness. The more egomaniacal our self concern, the better we taste to them. However we can develop an awareness that is very unpalatable to them - awareness developed through discipline. So, I feel the urge of the orgasm is like a honey trap, seems sweet but so deadly. Hence my request to shed more light on these matters.
9 years ago
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#3772
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This is known as an internal ejaculation, whereby disciples of the black path train themselves to ejaculate their semen within their bladder. This is one hundred percent black magic, since whether a person orgasms with a seminal emission out of the penis or within their body commits fornication, the loss of the seminal energy. Such actions are very damaging to the body and have the same result as a "normal" seminal emission, which is the fortification of the Secret Enemy within.

Internal ejaculations, like any orgasm, only help with the loss of the Christ-force within and produce the assimilation of diabolic atoms from Klipoth. Every orgasm is strictly prohibited in white tantric practice, therefore any person who promotes this method in the name of spiritual development is a liar, consciously or not.

There are some tantric practitioners who produce internal ejaculations in order to indulge in sensual pleasure while attempting to feel holy, justifying their actions because they "are not discharging the semen outward." This is a terrible sophism and a stupid one: such people are not serious. If they want to continue as beasts, let them be. However, the White Lodge is very strict: one must never spill the semen ever in one's life, whether it is outside the body or within it!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

9 years ago
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#3772
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This is known as an internal ejaculation, whereby disciples of the black path train themselves to ejaculate their semen within their bladder. This is one hundred percent black magic, since whether a person orgasms with a seminal emission out of the penis or within their body commits fornication, the loss of the seminal energy. Such actions are very damaging to the body and have the same result as a "normal" seminal emission, which is the fortification of the Secret Enemy within.

Internal ejaculations, like any orgasm, only help with the loss of the Christ-force within and produce the assimilation of diabolic atoms from Klipoth. Every orgasm is strictly prohibited in white tantric practice, therefore any person who promotes this method in the name of spiritual development is a liar, consciously or not.

There are some tantric practitioners who produce internal ejaculations in order to indulge in sensual pleasure while attempting to feel holy, justifying their actions because they "are not discharging the semen outward." This is a terrible sophism and a stupid one: such people are not serious. If they want to continue as beasts, let them be. However, the White Lodge is very strict: one must never spill the semen ever in one's life, whether it is outside the body or within it!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

9 years ago
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#3778
Thank you Benedictus for your reply. I had never heard of this 'retrogade ejaculation' till now. So clearly, if there is an urge within you that you feel compelled to experience orgasm, then this is clearly lust and so if you dont have the accompanying ejaculation then it will be an internal one. And therefore the result is the same, fortification of the greatest enemy that you have, ie you. So your reply does explain, that if anyone is thinking that this internal ejaculation will be away to 'have your cake and eat it too' or a way to ' beat nature or God', then he is sorely mistaken and should correct this dangerous misconception at the earliest. During the practice of white tantra, I know that erection is absolutely necessary, and if you are doing it right, with a prayerful and humble mood, then it simply wont get to the state where you are reaching the deadly point of no return, and this is the only indication of you sublimating the quota of lust for that moment, and yet vigilance is always to be maintained. Hence, in the orgasm pursuit, there is more of self-forgetting and letting go, both of which are deadly. Just because it feels like pleasure doesnt mean that its not killing your soul, and you are doing it to yourself! So my first question is answered. But I am curious abou one other thing. There are accounts of people who are saying that they are experiencing orgasm without even an erection. And no outer discharge. So do you mean to say, that orgasm means discharge internally for these persons as well wether they know it or not? And so because they dont talk about any real transformation or creation of solar bodies or even elimination of the ego, then its just proves to be black magic? Like its said, by their fruits you shall know them. If the fruit is not beheading the ego with the flaming sword, then what use is this so called sexual practice? Another point is, there is a telltale sign of internal discharge, the pee becomes cloudy afterwards, because the fluid is released in the bladder as Benedictus pointed out. So what about the other cases if this doesnt happen? Then it is not techinically an internal discharge. Now, to put it simply, we might not know everything, or the answers to all phenomena, but we do know this much, that any desire to experience orgasm, voluntary or involuntary, is forbidden and for good reason. We are not trying to find ways around this fact, because there isnt any! Its just we need to be clear on our fundamentals, and recognize signs of self deception and self manipulation in the name of spirituality.
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