Please forgive me for any ignorance I may speak, I am just a beginner seeking help from those with experience.
It was thanks to Dzogchen teachings and terminology that pulled me towards gnosis and Samaels teachings when I first saw them. Then, it was thanks to Samael and the instructors on this site for helping me understand Dzogchen teachings in a more synthesised way. Although Dzogchen and Gnosis are very similar in their applications of awareness and meditation, there is still some things that I would like some help with in understanding.
Rigpa: In Dzogchen, rigpa is often seen and described as this exalted state of mind that’s difficult to reach. Rigpa, resting in pristine awareness or Darmakaya/Kether and while from that perspective you perceive all of samsara as displays of darmakaya and dharmadhatu. All thoughts that arise are dissolved or liberated from the perspective of pristine awareness.
In gnosis Rigpa is seen as the natural state of mind that can reflect imagery, insight and wisdom of the being. Thoughts come and go but it doesn’t mean the cause of them (ego) is dissolved.
Therefore are the meanings of Rigpa different or is there something I am missing?
Realization: In Dzogchen it seems that when they reach the state of cutting through to pristine awareness, Rigpa, via non meditation, if one has achieved this they are considered a fully enlightened Vidyadhara who is self realised and liberated. Now, in Gnosis it is said to reach liberation and self realisation one needs more than just an experience, one needs to be married, awaken the kundalini, to die and walk the path of initiation which is a difficult path. Could you please help me see the correlation? It seems they are either not aware or are missing information while teaching people in the west.
It was thanks to Dzogchen teachings and terminology that pulled me towards gnosis and Samaels teachings when I first saw them. Then, it was thanks to Samael and the instructors on this site for helping me understand Dzogchen teachings in a more synthesised way. Although Dzogchen and Gnosis are very similar in their applications of awareness and meditation, there is still some things that I would like some help with in understanding.
Rigpa: In Dzogchen, rigpa is often seen and described as this exalted state of mind that’s difficult to reach. Rigpa, resting in pristine awareness or Darmakaya/Kether and while from that perspective you perceive all of samsara as displays of darmakaya and dharmadhatu. All thoughts that arise are dissolved or liberated from the perspective of pristine awareness.
In gnosis Rigpa is seen as the natural state of mind that can reflect imagery, insight and wisdom of the being. Thoughts come and go but it doesn’t mean the cause of them (ego) is dissolved.
Therefore are the meanings of Rigpa different or is there something I am missing?
Realization: In Dzogchen it seems that when they reach the state of cutting through to pristine awareness, Rigpa, via non meditation, if one has achieved this they are considered a fully enlightened Vidyadhara who is self realised and liberated. Now, in Gnosis it is said to reach liberation and self realisation one needs more than just an experience, one needs to be married, awaken the kundalini, to die and walk the path of initiation which is a difficult path. Could you please help me see the correlation? It seems they are either not aware or are missing information while teaching people in the west.