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  Sunday, 01 March 2015
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In the Bhavachakra course it is explained that "gods" are masters of various levels - they have some liberated consciousness, but as long as their ego is still alive they still have karmic debts and are not freed from the wheel.

Having said that, the teaching also admits that many "gods" may willingly choose to stay in the wheel. It somewhat makes sense to me - with their knowledge and liberated consciousness they can easily 'control' karma, and stay in the higher sectors, and continuously 'enjoy' the material life, rather than come out of the flow and become "nothing" in the Absolute (even if with a higher consciousness and liberated ego). But I understand they cannot do this infinitely.

I don't know how it feels to be a 'God' but to me, life on our planet has so many beautiful sides - for which you may choose to stay and live many many lives - enjoying and creating music, understanding the lower kingdoms and nature, comprehending the life on other planets, etc. Our physical shapes are beautiful, the light of Sun is something you cannot probably compare to anything in the Universe, the sounds of music created on the Earth by great masters may not be heard in the Absolute "Nothingness"... [I remember my father liked classical music very much. He did not believe in God, but he was pure in all his intensions. When he died (and he suffered immensely for months before he did) he came to my dream a few months later. - This is amazing - he said holding an open book in his hands - how could I not believe in this beautiful world? - You like it there? I asked. - Yes, he said, so much to learn yet. - How about music? I said, you liked music so much. how are you doing without it? - Nonsense, - he answered, here you hear sounds which you can not even compare to the noise what you call music on the Earth] - Is that true? I still think life on this Planet (if you live a pure, humble life) is beautiful, and the music created by greatest humans is the best. I am probably talking from a place of attachment?

Can one choose a path that is beautiful and gradual, I.e., paying karma goes softer? It probably means we will be sacrificing the speed of gaining of dharma?

To summarise my questions dear instructors,

- Can 'Gods' control their karma and for how long?
- Are the humans on our Planet (and I don't mean humanoids) the greatest creation in the Universe? And what is music?
- Can one choose their path and make the paying of karma go "softer"?

Thank you very much for reading this. Your insights would very much be helpful and appreciated!
9 years ago
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Having said that, the teaching also admits that many "gods" may willingly choose to stay in the wheel. It somewhat makes sense to me - with their knowledge and liberated consciousness they can easily 'control' karma, and stay in the higher sectors, and continuously 'enjoy' the material life, rather than come out of the flow and become "nothing" in the Absolute (even if with a higher consciousness and liberated ego). But I understand they cannot do this infinitely.
The selfish gods mentioned in the Bhavachakra course are Nirvanis of the spiral path. Since they still have a lot of ego, and who work slowly on its disintegration, such Pratyeka Buddhas attain liberation after many cosmic days or Mahamanvantaras.

The perfected gods or Bodhisattvas of the Straight Path attain liberation (realization of the Absolute within) for the benefit of all sentient beings within a very short amount of time. Some Bodhisattvas Self-realize their Ain Soph, the Absolute Law within, in one life. However, after attaining liberation, they continue to work in this universe to help countless beings cross the shore of Samsaric suffering in order to obtain Moksha (liberation).
Our physical shapes are beautiful, the light of Sun is something you cannot probably compare to anything in the Universe, the sounds of music created on the Earth by great masters may not be heard in the Absolute "Nothingness"...
This is incorrect. I have personally experienced the current of sound within the Absolute, as demonstrated by Wagner in his immortal opera Gotterdammerung (see specifically 8:10 of the video below):

The point of the Bhavachakra course is not to state that this world is not beautiful or illusory, but the state of our mind. Nirvana is cessation of the causes of suffering in ourselves (ego) in order to experience reality. While there is conventional truth (universal relativity) there is also an absolute truth (Ain Soph). Only a Bodhisattva can realize the relationship of both truths simultaneously, and therefore perceive the reality of all things even within relativity. Beauty is to be found everywhere, but that beauty is the Absolute within all things, and not one's subjective experience or perception of how things are.
Can one choose a path that is beautiful and gradual, I.e., paying karma goes softer? It probably means we will be sacrificing the speed of gaining of dharma?
Yes, that is known as the Spiral Path. But that is not what interests us here, since our Master Jesus the Christ taught us the following about the way of the Bodhisattva:
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. -Matthew 7:13-14
You asked:
- Can 'Gods' control their karma and for how long?
Nirvanis, while inhabitants of the sixth dimension, the causal, Buddhic and Atmic worlds of happiness, are still submitted to the laws of Karma since they do not fully pay it, but gradually, over countless aeons, cosmic days or Mahamanvantaras. Since they are submitted to the wheel of cyclical existence and karma, Nirvanis must eventually take on physical bodies, since Nirvana has periods of activity and repose (now it is active, since February 19, 1919 at 3:40 PM).

Only a Bodhisattva who completely annihilates the ego by the grace of the Divine Mother and of the Intimate Christ can escape from the rigor of the law of karma and samsaric suffering. One is liberated from Samsara (illusory, cyclical existence) through Resurrection at the height of the Second Mountain.
Are the humans on our Planet (and I don't mean humanoids) the greatest creation in the Universe? And what is music?
Human Beings, Masters of the Fifth Initiation of Major Mysteries, are truly wonderful, humble creatures who wear the causal robes of glory. Yet the greatest creation of the Solar Logos is a perfected Master, a Superman, as glorified by Richard Strauss in his opening for Thus Spoke Zarathustra:

Only a Bodhisattva of compassion and unite with his Intimate Christ and thereby become a Super Human Being!
- Can one choose their path and make the paying of karma go "softer"?
The lunar path is a path of pleasure that leads to tremendous pain, whereby the ego is disintegrated in the infernal worlds so as to liberate the soul and pay karma in a mechanical manner. This is the path of failure, since one acquires no objective knowledge or understanding in this way.

The spiral path is a path of ease and comfort, with little struggle, since one pays karma gradually. However, the rewards are little, since the struggle is minimal. Some knowledge is gained as a result of service, sanctity, and chastity.

The straight path is the way of the Bodhisattva, the path of tremendous suffering that leads to limitless happiness and Paranishpanna (Absolute Knowledge or Perfection), for since the struggles are intense, the glory is unprecedented, as demonstrated by Beethoven's ninth symphony (see specifically 11:11 to 15:08 in the video below):

Froh, wie seine Sonnen fliegen
Durch das Himmels praecht'gen Plan,
Laufet, Brueder, eure Bahn,
Freudig wie ein Held zum Siegen.

Gladly as His suns do fly
Through the heavens' splendid plan,
Run now, brothers, your own course (the straight path of the Bodhisattva),
Joyful like a conquering hero!

Freude, schoener Goetterfunken,
Tochter aus Elysium,
Wir betreten feuertrunken,
Himmlische dein Heiligtum.
Deine Zauber binden wieder,
Was die Mode streng geteilt;
Alle Menschen werden Brueder,
Wo dein sanfter Fluegel weilt.

Joy, o wondrous spark divine,
Daughter of Elysium (Ain Soph),
Drunk with fire (of the Kundalini and serpents of light) now we enter,
Heavenly one, your holy shrine (the Glorian, the Absolute Breath profoundly unknown to Itself)
Your magic (Christic) powers join again
What fashion strictly did divide (from karmic suffering and egotistical desires);
(Universal Christic) Brotherhood unites all men (true Bodhisattvas of compassion)
Where your gentle wing's (of absolute knowledge, Paranishpanna, Da'ath) spread wide.
For a deeper understanding of this topic, study and meditate upon The Path of the Bodhisattva Course!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

9 years ago
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#9723
Thank you Benedictus
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