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Hello! :)

How come Masters such as Homer and Orpheus are in Limbo according to Dante? Didn't they have beautiful solar mystery schools? Or were they awakened but had not a solar body? I would have thought Orpheus or Homer would be solar beings?

Thanks for the help! Hope all is well and god-bless all :D

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7 years ago
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As a Muslim, it would seem offensive to me that Dante is against Islam when depicting Prophet Muhammad with his disciples in hell, the region of the schismatics.

However, Dante is a great master of Islam and taught in symbols. What he was referring to were the many millions of fanatic Muslims that populate the world today along with such terrible cases of religious terrorists and extremists who follow the path of Moloch.

Such people, while venerating the teachings of the Prophet, are truly great demons or produce schisms within nations. They have turned the tradition of Islam into destruction and chaos.

The fact that Dante describes Homer and Socrates in Limbo exemplifies how many millions of people who read the Hellenic writings are truly intellectual scoundrels, Kalkian personalities who wander asleep in the first submerged region of hell, especially within the dream state and even when such souls possess physical bodies.

There are innumerable university professors who teach Hellenic philosophy, but who are unbaptized children (ignoramuses who know nothing of alchemy). Although Socrates and Plato were initiates, their followers are not, and therefore Dante rightly demonstrated that those who read the writings of these Masters are cold lunar phantoms, intellectuals and sophists of cleverness and distraction...

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

7 years ago
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#8867
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As a Muslim, it would seem offensive to me that Dante is against Islam when depicting Prophet Muhammad with his disciples in hell, the region of the schismatics.

However, Dante is a great master of Islam and taught in symbols. What he was referring to were the many millions of fanatic Muslims that populate the world today along with such terrible cases of religious terrorists and extremists who follow the path of Moloch.

Such people, while venerating the teachings of the Prophet, are truly great demons or produce schisms within nations. They have turned the tradition of Islam into destruction and chaos.

The fact that Dante describes Homer and Socrates in Limbo exemplifies how many millions of people who read the Hellenic writings are truly intellectual scoundrels, Kalkian personalities who wander asleep in the first submerged region of hell, especially within the dream state and even when such souls possess physical bodies.

There are innumerable university professors who teach Hellenic philosophy, but who are unbaptized children (ignoramuses who know nothing of alchemy). Although Socrates and Plato were initiates, their followers are not, and therefore Dante rightly demonstrated that those who read the writings of these Masters are cold lunar phantoms, intellectuals and sophists of cleverness and distraction...

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

7 years ago
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Interesting!

I noticed Dante gives a good air to Christianity in the first circle of hell:

"To me the Master good: “Thou dost not ask
What spirits these, which thou beholdest, are?
Now will I have thee know, ere thou go farther,

That they sinned not; and if they merit had,
’Tis not enough, because they had not baptism
Which is the portal of the Faith thou holdest;

And if they were before Christianity,
In the right manner they adored not God;
And among such as these am I myself

For such defects, and not for other guilt,
Lost are we and are only so far punished,
That without hope we live on in desire.”"

I find it very interesting: "that they had not baptism which is the portal of the Faith thou holdest;"

So Dante could be talking of followers? But why would he not criticise Christianity and its followers or Catholicism and its followers too in this respect?

"And if they were before Christianity, in the right manner they adored not God; And among such as these am I myself for such defects" - even Virgil too?

Virgil signifies his Master and Being, which I'm guessing Dante would not credit as his personal Master had he not have actually have been a full fledged venerable Master, so what is Virgil identifying by saying this to Dante?

Thank-you for your time, and love and peace be upon you! God-bless.
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