Monday, 27 October 2014
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If one decides to practice the arcanum AZF what happens if one accidentally ejaculates in the yoni? So if you end up accidentally impregnating a wife should you get an abortion? Which is better to use some form of contraception, raise an unwanted child, or put the child up for adoption?
8 years ago
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#7981
Accepted Answer
There is no excuse for contraceptives, since they damage one's secondary and primary sexual characteristics (the masculine or feminine hormonal systems, the sexual organs, one's masculinity and femininity, etc.).

Students have to remember that if they want radical changes, they in turn must be disciplined.
Discipline enabled Heaven to be filled with light;
discipline enabled the angels to be immaculate and holy. -Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī
Yes, development is gradual, but is based upon super-efforts, renunciation of destructive habits (such as using contraceptives and destroying the psycho-spiritual nervous and hormonal systems) and tremendous discipline in meditation, transmutation, etc.

Contraceptives sterilize the sexual organs and sexual forces. Therefore, they are one hundred percent antithetical to spiritual practice.

If a couple doesn't want accidental pregnancy, they must begin sexual magic with brief connections, short sessions that will gradually be increased as the couple learns to maintain the fire without over-excitement and loss of the seminal matter.

If you don't want to fall off the cliff (through the orgasm), then don't even get close to it! Gentle heat, and much attention, as Hermes Trismegistus taught us.

Study the resources below!
8 years ago
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#7954
I think when I find a priestess and I start practicing and I am new in the beginning, I reckon it'd be best to use some form of contraception.....though I am pretty certain that you folks would say contraception is wrong. And it may be, it may be...nevertheless it is the lesser of the two evils to prevent an accidental discharge in the beginning when one is new and just starting out. The Great Work doesn't happen over night, it is a process of evolution.
8 years ago
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#7958
Contraceptives and sexual magic are incompatible.

Abortions are crimes against nature.

If you don't want children, do not fornicate. Our motto is THELEMA, willpower!

Also, the Great Work is not a process of evolution. It is a revolution!

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8 years ago
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#7959
Right but even Samael Aun Weor admits that mistakes are possible. On pg 198 of his book the Perfect Matrimony he writes "if by misfortune, the spasm comes against our will, the disciple will then withdraw from the act..." and he then gives instructions for a breathing exercise with a HAM-SAH mantra. And thats all well and good but at that point it may be too late. That is why I ask if it would be better if some kind of contraception should be used at first in the beginning until one can be sure not to make any mistakes. And then when one has become experienced and adept at sexual magick then they can abandon contraceptives.
Contraceptives and sexual magic are incompatible.

Abortions are crimes against nature.

If you don't want children, do not fornicate. Our motto is THELEMA, willpower!

Also, the Great Work is not a process of evolution. It is a revolution!



I saw Josef's thread about accidental pregnancy.

If I'm not mistaken it is possible to find out when a woman is ovulating and simply not connect during this time frame? Better safe than sorry.

http://infertility.about.com/od/tryingtoconceive101/a/ovulationsigns.htm

The sixth thing listed is an ovulation detector kit. Simply avoiding the periods in which pregnancy can occur seems to be the best option if a man is uncertain about his ability to handle the fire.

On the other hand, the morning after pill (Plan B) is a contraceptive that prevents/postpones ovulation or prevents the ovum from attaching to the uterus wall (if take immediately it will never get to that point a fertilization will not have time to take place). It does not require regular usage and is not an abortion. It has an 89% effective rating and if taken with 72 hours. A woman would only use it on the occasion that her partner did ejaculate inside her. Therefore, in normal circumstances there would be no form of contraception at all. It would just be for emergencies.

The reason I mention this one is because I would like some greater detail as to why this would be bad. If the sexual energy is in the seed and the ovum is the seed I don't understand how, scientifically, this would be a bad thing. The woman either keeps her seed longer or it is eventually removed during menstruation (same as it would be without Plan B). Either way it is wasted.

Also, I mentioned the second option because a black and white approach isn't always the best approach. Simply because it may not be possible in practice for some individuals from the start. We can can say thelema all day, but if there isn't enough thelema a person is just going to fall into self loathing due to failures. It's very rare for a person to just flip a switch and change overnight, being totally aware and be able to combat the ego effectively.That which does not bend will break. And most people are not strong enough initially to not break. Quick radical changes normally leads to the pendulum swinging hard in the opposite direction. Perfection is a gradual process.

Also, doing kegels. A man should be able to stop an oncoming ejaculation event by holding the breath (depriving the fire oxygen) and relaxing assuming it's not at an advanced state. If it feels imminent, tightening the perineum muscles (kegels) should allow a man to stop the orgasm and at the least hold it long enough to remove the penis. Or would that be worse in your view as it would be likened to masturbation.
8 years ago
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#7981
Accepted Answer
There is no excuse for contraceptives, since they damage one's secondary and primary sexual characteristics (the masculine or feminine hormonal systems, the sexual organs, one's masculinity and femininity, etc.).

Students have to remember that if they want radical changes, they in turn must be disciplined.
Discipline enabled Heaven to be filled with light;
discipline enabled the angels to be immaculate and holy. -Jalāl ad-Dīn Muhammad Rūmī
Yes, development is gradual, but is based upon super-efforts, renunciation of destructive habits (such as using contraceptives and destroying the psycho-spiritual nervous and hormonal systems) and tremendous discipline in meditation, transmutation, etc.

Contraceptives sterilize the sexual organs and sexual forces. Therefore, they are one hundred percent antithetical to spiritual practice.

If a couple doesn't want accidental pregnancy, they must begin sexual magic with brief connections, short sessions that will gradually be increased as the couple learns to maintain the fire without over-excitement and loss of the seminal matter.

If you don't want to fall off the cliff (through the orgasm), then don't even get close to it! Gentle heat, and much attention, as Hermes Trismegistus taught us.

Study the resources below!
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