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Is every suffering because of Archangel Sakaki's mistake?
8 years ago
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#7267
Accepted Answer
No. Even if the gods make errors, we are responsible for our own actions.
Zeus: "Ah how shameless—the way these mortals blame the gods.
From us alone, they say, come all their miseries, yes,
but they themselves, with their own reckless ways,
compound their pains beyond their proper share." -The Odyssey I. 37-40

You cannot receive the consequence without committing its corresponding action. -Tsong Khapa, Great Treatise on the Stages of the Path of Enlightenment

The Lord in Paradise Lost, Book III

So will fall
Hee (Satan) and his faithless Progeny: whose fault?
Whose but his own? ingrate, he had of me
All he could have; I made him just and right,
Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall.
Such I created all th' Ethereal Powers
And Spirits, both them who stood & them who faild;
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
Not free, what proof could they have givn sincere
Of true allegiance, constant Faith or Love,
Where only what they needs must do, appeard,
Not what they would? what praise could they receive?
What pleasure I from such obedience paid,
When Will and Reason (Reason also is choice)
Useless and vain, of freedom both despoild,
Made passive both, had servd necessity,
Not mee. They therefore as to right belongd,
So were created, nor can justly accuse
Their maker, or thir making, or thir Fate;
As if Predestination over-rul'd
Their will, dispos'd by absolute Decree
Or high foreknowledge; they themselves decreed
Their own revolt, not I: if I foreknew,
Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault,
Which had no less prov'd certain unforeknown.
So without least impulse or shadow of Fate,
Or aught by me immutable foreseen,
They trespass, Authors to themselves in all
Both what they judge and what they choose; for so
I formed them free, and free they must remain,
Till they enthrall themselves: I else must change
Their nature, and revoke the high Decree
Unchangeable, Eternal, which ordain'd
Their freedom, they themselves ordain'd thir fall.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

8 years ago
·
#7267
Accepted Answer
No. Even if the gods make errors, we are responsible for our own actions.
Zeus: "Ah how shameless—the way these mortals blame the gods.
From us alone, they say, come all their miseries, yes,
but they themselves, with their own reckless ways,
compound their pains beyond their proper share." -The Odyssey I. 37-40

You cannot receive the consequence without committing its corresponding action. -Tsong Khapa, Great Treatise on the Stages of the Path of Enlightenment

The Lord in Paradise Lost, Book III

So will fall
Hee (Satan) and his faithless Progeny: whose fault?
Whose but his own? ingrate, he had of me
All he could have; I made him just and right,
Sufficient to have stood, though free to fall.
Such I created all th' Ethereal Powers
And Spirits, both them who stood & them who faild;
Freely they stood who stood, and fell who fell.
Not free, what proof could they have givn sincere
Of true allegiance, constant Faith or Love,
Where only what they needs must do, appeard,
Not what they would? what praise could they receive?
What pleasure I from such obedience paid,
When Will and Reason (Reason also is choice)
Useless and vain, of freedom both despoild,
Made passive both, had servd necessity,
Not mee. They therefore as to right belongd,
So were created, nor can justly accuse
Their maker, or thir making, or thir Fate;
As if Predestination over-rul'd
Their will, dispos'd by absolute Decree
Or high foreknowledge; they themselves decreed
Their own revolt, not I: if I foreknew,
Foreknowledge had no influence on their fault,
Which had no less prov'd certain unforeknown.
So without least impulse or shadow of Fate,
Or aught by me immutable foreseen,
They trespass, Authors to themselves in all
Both what they judge and what they choose; for so
I formed them free, and free they must remain,
Till they enthrall themselves: I else must change
Their nature, and revoke the high Decree
Unchangeable, Eternal, which ordain'd
Their freedom, they themselves ordain'd thir fall.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#11167
In the Kundabuffer Organ chapter:
"All of the efforts made by Prophets, Avatars and Gods in order to end the harmful consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ have been in vain."

Can you please name the Gods, Avatars, Prophets who the Master meant?

Thank you
6 years ago
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#11269
All of the efforts made by Prophets, Avatars and Gods in order to end the harmful consequences of the Kundabuffer Organ have been in vain.

Who were the Prophets, Gods and Avatars who the Master meant?

Thank you
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