Monday, 23 December 2013
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Swami Sivananda mentions various torments and tortures that take place within the hell realms, a lot of them are graphic and highly disturbing, for example;

Those men who indulge in passions are eaten here (Maharaurava) by carnivorous (flesh-eating) animals.
and
Those who worship gods by offering human victims, are thrown into a hell where they are cut to slices and eaten by devils, but even then they do not die but only experience pain.
and
Those householders who get angry with guests and look at them with cruel eyes as if they would burn them are plucked out their eyes after death by vultures possessing bills hard like adamantine rock.

Swami Sivananda mentions that there are hundreds and thousands of such hells, too many to describe, anyhow just these descriptions of hell are indeed terrifying

We have to suffer in one way or another, voluntarily or involuntarily, what are the key differences? We know that the suffering in hell is really without fruit since we once again re-emerge bound to the wheel of birth and death where more suffering awaits, then we have voluntary suffering where we transcend this wheel of birth and death, thus overcoming the types of suffering experienced while bound. However what I am asking is; while in hell we suffer in various ways depending on our actions/defects, each action/defect results a different form of suffering, however on the spiritual path in which way do we suffer for those same actions/defects?

In some of these descriptions of suffering in hell, one has to endure various tortures depending on the mistake that one made, we are paying karma for our past negative actions, thoughts and emotions. However this is just for paying the karma, then we have the ego which we created and which compels us to commit those actions. Is the ego simultaneously disintegrated within those spheres of torture or is that process reserved to the ninth sphere?

Thank you.
8 years ago
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Accepted Answer
The difference between the pain experienced through initiation and the pain of being disintegrated in hell is in comprehension. When we comprehend and eliminate our errors, there is peace, understanding, and love born as a result. This connects us with our Innermost. Hell, however, is a mechanical process; there is nothing divinely cognizant to be learned through being recycled against our will. It is destruction without cognizance, meaning: we do nothing to be destroyed in the abyss, and it does not take one closer to God.

Therefore, because it is against our will, disintegration through mechanical means is much more painful and slow, since mother nature has to eliminate our faults without our will. If we are lazy, then nature will work for us.

Those who enter into initiation take it upon themselves to become cognizant of their errors and to disintegrate the ego by will. While this is painful, it is nothing like the second death. Initiation is the only path that develops self-knowledge, and as indicated by the scripture Atma Bodha:
As fire is the direct cause of cooking so knowledge and not any other form of discipline is the direct cause of liberation. For liberation cannot be attained without knowledge.
Liberation from suffering results from knowledge. Knowledge is born when we comprehend and disintegrate defects. The joy of liberation guides the initiate as he or she is disintegrating defects, for with knowledge comes peace, strength, and communion with the divine, which impels the Bodhisattva to continuously perform jihad: holy war against his own desires.

The pain experienced on the way is trivial compared to the path of the failures, the lunatics of the abyss who allowed themselves to be swallowed by the moon. This is well described by Giacomo Puccini in the first Act of his immortal opera, Turandot, when the Prince of Persia (a Parsi, worshipper of the fire) failed in the funereal ordeals of Turandot, Devi Kundalini, the Divine Princess Mother Death, paler than jade and more fatal than death!

However, by overcoming the dark night of the soul in Act 3, one attains the perfect matrimony, betrothal with the Divine Goddess. Truly a feat worthy of any suffering!

As for the complete disintegration of the ego, that process begins in the 8th sphere and concludes in the 9th, as described in the Divine Comedy by Master Alighieri, Hell, the Devil, and Karma by Samael Aun Weor, and The World of Klipoth Course.

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

8 years ago
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#5142
Accepted Answer
The difference between the pain experienced through initiation and the pain of being disintegrated in hell is in comprehension. When we comprehend and eliminate our errors, there is peace, understanding, and love born as a result. This connects us with our Innermost. Hell, however, is a mechanical process; there is nothing divinely cognizant to be learned through being recycled against our will. It is destruction without cognizance, meaning: we do nothing to be destroyed in the abyss, and it does not take one closer to God.

Therefore, because it is against our will, disintegration through mechanical means is much more painful and slow, since mother nature has to eliminate our faults without our will. If we are lazy, then nature will work for us.

Those who enter into initiation take it upon themselves to become cognizant of their errors and to disintegrate the ego by will. While this is painful, it is nothing like the second death. Initiation is the only path that develops self-knowledge, and as indicated by the scripture Atma Bodha:
As fire is the direct cause of cooking so knowledge and not any other form of discipline is the direct cause of liberation. For liberation cannot be attained without knowledge.
Liberation from suffering results from knowledge. Knowledge is born when we comprehend and disintegrate defects. The joy of liberation guides the initiate as he or she is disintegrating defects, for with knowledge comes peace, strength, and communion with the divine, which impels the Bodhisattva to continuously perform jihad: holy war against his own desires.

The pain experienced on the way is trivial compared to the path of the failures, the lunatics of the abyss who allowed themselves to be swallowed by the moon. This is well described by Giacomo Puccini in the first Act of his immortal opera, Turandot, when the Prince of Persia (a Parsi, worshipper of the fire) failed in the funereal ordeals of Turandot, Devi Kundalini, the Divine Princess Mother Death, paler than jade and more fatal than death!

However, by overcoming the dark night of the soul in Act 3, one attains the perfect matrimony, betrothal with the Divine Goddess. Truly a feat worthy of any suffering!

As for the complete disintegration of the ego, that process begins in the 8th sphere and concludes in the 9th, as described in the Divine Comedy by Master Alighieri, Hell, the Devil, and Karma by Samael Aun Weor, and The World of Klipoth Course.

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

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