Thursday, 07 November 2013
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Hello,

One issue has been bothering me for some time. I know it s just my ego-mind complicating, but i would very much like to make sence out of it.

Diseases are karmic (i think). So if we get sick based on karmic reason, like lust or greed, and we get a mayor disease like cancer, is trying to cure it even possible or logical? Isnt it logical to just pay the karma and be done with it?

Practical example:
Let s say i have cancer. I understand through study of gnosis, that i got it based on karma. Now, should i try to cure it with the remedies described in "esoteric medicine and practical magic" or should i just pay karma? Is karma connected to the outcome of trying to cure ones disease? I guess what i m really asking is: isn t trying to cure ones disease similar to tampering with ones karma?

Thank you for your help and kind regards.
8 years ago
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#4807
Accepted Answer
In this world of misfortune in which we find ourselves, it is necessary to learn how to handle our own karmic transactions, in order to maneuver the ship of our existence through the diverse scales of our life. Karma is negotiable, and this is something that may very much surprise the followers of diverse orthodox schools. Indeed, some pseudo-esotericists and pseudo-occultists have become too pessimistic in relation with the law of action and consequence, since they mistakenly suppose that karma develops in a mechanical, automatic, and cruel manner. Those erudites believe that it is not possible to alter that law. I very sincerely regret to have to dissent from their way of thinking. If the law of action and consequence, if the nemesis of existence, were not negotiable, then where would divine mercy be? Frankly, I cannot accept cruelty within divinity. The reality, that which is all perfection, that which has diverse names, such as Tao, Aum, Inri, Zen, Allah, Brahma, God, or better said Gods, etc., by no means can be without mercy, something cruel, tyrannical, etc. Therefore, I emphatically repeat that karma is negotiable.

When an inferior law is transcended by a superior law, the superior law washes away the inferior law.

Perform good deeds so that you may pay your debts. The lion of the law is fought with the scales.

Whosoever has capital with which to pay, pays and does well in business; however, the one who does not have any capital shall pay with pain.


If our good deeds are placed on one plate and our bad deeds on the other plate of the cosmic scales, it is evident that our karma will depend on the weight that is on the scales. If the plate of bad deeds weighs more, the outcome will be bitterness. However, it is possible to increase the weight of the good deeds on the other plate of the equal-arm-beam of the scales. Thus, in this manner we will cancel out our karma without undergoing suffering. All that we need is to do good deeds in order to increase the weight of the plate of good deeds.

Now good friends of mine, you will comprehend how marvelous it is to do good. There is no doubt that upright thought, upright feeling, and upright action are the best transactions. Thus, we must never protest against karma. What is important is to know how to negotiate it.

Regrettably, the only thing that occurs to people when they undergo a great bitter sorrow is to wash their hands like Pontius Pilate, and to say that they did not do anything bad, that they are not guilty, that they are righteous souls, etc.

I tell those who are in misery, to examine their conduct, to judge themselves, to sit down at least for a moment on the bench of the accused. Thus, after a brief analysis of themselves, they should modify their behavior. If those who find themselves unemployed would become chaste, infinitely charitable, peaceful, one hundred percent helpful, it is obvious that they will radically alter the cause of their misfortune; thus as a consequence, they modify the effect.

To alter an effect is not possible if, firstly, the cause that produced it has not been radically modified, since as we have already stated, an effect without a cause does not exist, nor a cause without an effect.

There is no doubt that poverty has its causes in drunkenness, in disgusting lust, in violence, in adulteries, in squandering, and in avarice, etc.

It is not possible for someone to live in poverty when the Father who is in secret is present here and now. I will illustrate this with a story:

On a certain occasion, my real inner Being, my immortal Monad, took me out of my physical body in order to give me instructions about a certain disciple. Once the instructions concluded, I did not hesitate to address my Lord, my Innermost, with the following words. “I am tired of having a body, thus I would like to disincarnate.”

In those moments the Lord of perfections, my inner God, answered me with a solemn voice, “Why are you complaining? I am giving you food, clothing, and shelter, and nonetheless you still complain? Remember how in the final days of your past existence you were barefoot, old and sick, wandering around on the streets of Mexico wearing a torn suit, in the most frightful poverty and how you passed away within a filthy hut. At that point in time, I was absent.”

In those moments, the countenance of my Lord shone, and his blue eyes reflected the infinite heaven, his glorious white robe reached his feet; everything in Him was perfection.

Then, I told him, “Lord, I have come to kiss your hand and receive your benediction.” Thus the adorable one blessed me and I kissed his right hand. Subsequently, when I returned into my physical body I entered into meditation. Indeed my dear brethren, when the child misbehaves the Father withdraws, thus the child falls into disgrace.

My dear friends, I think you now comprehend better what poverty is, and why and how it arrives.

The Father who is in secret has enough power in order to provide for us, as well as to take away from us.

Behold, blessed is the man whom God corrects. – Job 5:17
So, karma is a medicine that is prescribed to us for our own sake.

Regrettably, people protest, blaspheme, they justify themselves instead of bending down reverently before the living eternal God. Yes, people justify themselves stubbornly, thus like Pontius Pilate they wash their hands. Yet, karma is not modified with complaints. On the contrary, it becomes harder and more severe.

We demand fidelity from our spouse when we ourselves have been adulterers in this life or in former lives. Yes, we want to be loved when we have been merciless and cruel.

We demand comprehension when we have never known how to comprehend anyone, when we have never learned how to see the point of view of our neighbor.

We long for immense bliss when we have always been the cause for much disgrace.

We would have liked to have been born in a very beautiful home with many comforts, yet in past lives we did not know how to provide a home and beauty for our children.

We protest against insulters when we have always insulted everyone who surrounds us.

We want our children to obey us when we have never known how to obey our parents.

Slander annoys us terribly, yet we have filled the world with pain due to our slandering.

Gossip upsets us, we do not want anyone to gossip about us, and nonetheless, we are always involved in gossip and chitchat, talking badly against our neighbor, mortifying the lives of others.

To that end, we always demand what we have never given. We were evil in all of our former lives, thus we deserve the worst. Nevertheless, we expect the best should be offered to us.

Instead of worrying so much about their sickness, the sick should work for others; they should do works of charity, should try to heal others, console the afflicted, take to the doctor those people who cannot afford to pay the doctor, to give away medicine, etc. Thus, in this manner they will cancel their karma and they will become totally healed.

Those who suffer in their home should multiply their humility, patience, and serenity. They must not answer with insults. They must not tyrannize their neighbor, must not upset those who surround them, must know how to forgive the defects of their neighbor with patience infinitely multiplied. Thus, this is how they will cancel out their karma and will become better.

Regrettably, my dear friends, that ego that each one of us carries within does exactly the contrary of what we are stating here. Thus, for that reason, I consider that it is urgent, unpostponable, and imperative to reduce “the myself” to cosmic dust.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

8 years ago
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#4823
Yes, initiation is fulfilled through the three factors of spiritual revolution: birth, death and sacrifice!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

8 years ago
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#4808
Very helpfull. Thank you Lion!
8 years ago
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#4807
Accepted Answer
In this world of misfortune in which we find ourselves, it is necessary to learn how to handle our own karmic transactions, in order to maneuver the ship of our existence through the diverse scales of our life. Karma is negotiable, and this is something that may very much surprise the followers of diverse orthodox schools. Indeed, some pseudo-esotericists and pseudo-occultists have become too pessimistic in relation with the law of action and consequence, since they mistakenly suppose that karma develops in a mechanical, automatic, and cruel manner. Those erudites believe that it is not possible to alter that law. I very sincerely regret to have to dissent from their way of thinking. If the law of action and consequence, if the nemesis of existence, were not negotiable, then where would divine mercy be? Frankly, I cannot accept cruelty within divinity. The reality, that which is all perfection, that which has diverse names, such as Tao, Aum, Inri, Zen, Allah, Brahma, God, or better said Gods, etc., by no means can be without mercy, something cruel, tyrannical, etc. Therefore, I emphatically repeat that karma is negotiable.

When an inferior law is transcended by a superior law, the superior law washes away the inferior law.

Perform good deeds so that you may pay your debts. The lion of the law is fought with the scales.

Whosoever has capital with which to pay, pays and does well in business; however, the one who does not have any capital shall pay with pain.


If our good deeds are placed on one plate and our bad deeds on the other plate of the cosmic scales, it is evident that our karma will depend on the weight that is on the scales. If the plate of bad deeds weighs more, the outcome will be bitterness. However, it is possible to increase the weight of the good deeds on the other plate of the equal-arm-beam of the scales. Thus, in this manner we will cancel out our karma without undergoing suffering. All that we need is to do good deeds in order to increase the weight of the plate of good deeds.

Now good friends of mine, you will comprehend how marvelous it is to do good. There is no doubt that upright thought, upright feeling, and upright action are the best transactions. Thus, we must never protest against karma. What is important is to know how to negotiate it.

Regrettably, the only thing that occurs to people when they undergo a great bitter sorrow is to wash their hands like Pontius Pilate, and to say that they did not do anything bad, that they are not guilty, that they are righteous souls, etc.

I tell those who are in misery, to examine their conduct, to judge themselves, to sit down at least for a moment on the bench of the accused. Thus, after a brief analysis of themselves, they should modify their behavior. If those who find themselves unemployed would become chaste, infinitely charitable, peaceful, one hundred percent helpful, it is obvious that they will radically alter the cause of their misfortune; thus as a consequence, they modify the effect.

To alter an effect is not possible if, firstly, the cause that produced it has not been radically modified, since as we have already stated, an effect without a cause does not exist, nor a cause without an effect.

There is no doubt that poverty has its causes in drunkenness, in disgusting lust, in violence, in adulteries, in squandering, and in avarice, etc.

It is not possible for someone to live in poverty when the Father who is in secret is present here and now. I will illustrate this with a story:

On a certain occasion, my real inner Being, my immortal Monad, took me out of my physical body in order to give me instructions about a certain disciple. Once the instructions concluded, I did not hesitate to address my Lord, my Innermost, with the following words. “I am tired of having a body, thus I would like to disincarnate.”

In those moments the Lord of perfections, my inner God, answered me with a solemn voice, “Why are you complaining? I am giving you food, clothing, and shelter, and nonetheless you still complain? Remember how in the final days of your past existence you were barefoot, old and sick, wandering around on the streets of Mexico wearing a torn suit, in the most frightful poverty and how you passed away within a filthy hut. At that point in time, I was absent.”

In those moments, the countenance of my Lord shone, and his blue eyes reflected the infinite heaven, his glorious white robe reached his feet; everything in Him was perfection.

Then, I told him, “Lord, I have come to kiss your hand and receive your benediction.” Thus the adorable one blessed me and I kissed his right hand. Subsequently, when I returned into my physical body I entered into meditation. Indeed my dear brethren, when the child misbehaves the Father withdraws, thus the child falls into disgrace.

My dear friends, I think you now comprehend better what poverty is, and why and how it arrives.

The Father who is in secret has enough power in order to provide for us, as well as to take away from us.

Behold, blessed is the man whom God corrects. – Job 5:17
So, karma is a medicine that is prescribed to us for our own sake.

Regrettably, people protest, blaspheme, they justify themselves instead of bending down reverently before the living eternal God. Yes, people justify themselves stubbornly, thus like Pontius Pilate they wash their hands. Yet, karma is not modified with complaints. On the contrary, it becomes harder and more severe.

We demand fidelity from our spouse when we ourselves have been adulterers in this life or in former lives. Yes, we want to be loved when we have been merciless and cruel.

We demand comprehension when we have never known how to comprehend anyone, when we have never learned how to see the point of view of our neighbor.

We long for immense bliss when we have always been the cause for much disgrace.

We would have liked to have been born in a very beautiful home with many comforts, yet in past lives we did not know how to provide a home and beauty for our children.

We protest against insulters when we have always insulted everyone who surrounds us.

We want our children to obey us when we have never known how to obey our parents.

Slander annoys us terribly, yet we have filled the world with pain due to our slandering.

Gossip upsets us, we do not want anyone to gossip about us, and nonetheless, we are always involved in gossip and chitchat, talking badly against our neighbor, mortifying the lives of others.

To that end, we always demand what we have never given. We were evil in all of our former lives, thus we deserve the worst. Nevertheless, we expect the best should be offered to us.

Instead of worrying so much about their sickness, the sick should work for others; they should do works of charity, should try to heal others, console the afflicted, take to the doctor those people who cannot afford to pay the doctor, to give away medicine, etc. Thus, in this manner they will cancel their karma and they will become totally healed.

Those who suffer in their home should multiply their humility, patience, and serenity. They must not answer with insults. They must not tyrannize their neighbor, must not upset those who surround them, must know how to forgive the defects of their neighbor with patience infinitely multiplied. Thus, this is how they will cancel out their karma and will become better.

Regrettably, my dear friends, that ego that each one of us carries within does exactly the contrary of what we are stating here. Thus, for that reason, I consider that it is urgent, unpostponable, and imperative to reduce “the myself” to cosmic dust.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

8 years ago
·
#4806
If i understand correctly, proper way to deal with karma is to eradicate the ego, with the three keys?

What about people who don t? How is karma connected to the outcome of trying to cure their disease-s?
8 years ago
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#4800
Behold the proper way to deal with our karma.

And Cain [the ego-mind] said unto Iod-Havah, My karma is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of [Adamah] the ground [the world of 48 laws]; thus from thy [אסתר asthr Aramaic "bright star"] thy face shall I be hid [in Limbo, the world of 96 laws]; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth [my physical body]; and it shall come to pass, that [because of karma] every one [disease] that finds me shall kill me.

And Iod-Havah said unto him, therefore whosoever [that through initiation] kills Cain [his ego mind], [karmic] vengeance [through seven initiations] ] shall be taken on him sevenfold [physical, vital, astral, mental, causal, consciousness, spirit]. And Iod-Havah set a mark upon Cain [on his forehead], lest any [karma] finding him should kill him.

And Cain went out from the presence of Iod-Havah, and dwelt in the land of Nod [Limbo or Klipoth], on the east of Eden [Klipothic Yesod].

And Cain [the mind] knew his wife [sexual organs]; and she conceived, and bare [in the spinal medulla] Enoch [a human soul]: and he built [through sexual alchemy] a [psychological] city, and called the name of the city, after the name of his son, Enoch [humanity]. – Genesis 4: 13-17

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

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