I was not able to reply to my original question after it was moved to the other post so I am asking a couple more questions.
I read the article that the Lion of Judah gave. Thank you for that. I studied it yesterday, sat with it, re-read it a couple more times to fully try and understand it. I still have a couple questions.
Are you suggesting that there is an ego of "The ego is taking over. What should I do?" That the notion that 'I' need to do something about being overtaken by the ego is an illusion as well?
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What am I to do when in the grip of ego?
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How does one separate the Observer from the Observed in the moment? Or is this a result of the practice of these teachings, along with trial and error, and meditation over many days or years?
I realize I cannot overcome my mind with more mind, i.e. fight fire with fire, but what should I do when the ego has taken, or is in the process of taking over.
It seems that when one reaches this separation of Observer and Observed then it is more likely not to succumb to such egos as fear, anxiety, anger, greed, lust, etc... Not succumbing in the sense that as soon as the thought is observed then it has nowhere else to go and cannot manifest in emotion of action.
When the egoic thoughts arise I can say to myself that "This is an 'I' which must be disintegrated.' But this does not alleviate the pain that the ego brings.
When my heart is pounding because the ego that has taken over what is the practice? Where should I go?
Many questions, I know. Thank you for answering any or all of them. So very grateful for it.
With much respect,
Miguel
I read the article that the Lion of Judah gave. Thank you for that. I studied it yesterday, sat with it, re-read it a couple more times to fully try and understand it. I still have a couple questions.
Are you suggesting that there is an ego of "The ego is taking over. What should I do?" That the notion that 'I' need to do something about being overtaken by the ego is an illusion as well?
AND
What am I to do when in the grip of ego?
AND
How does one separate the Observer from the Observed in the moment? Or is this a result of the practice of these teachings, along with trial and error, and meditation over many days or years?
I realize I cannot overcome my mind with more mind, i.e. fight fire with fire, but what should I do when the ego has taken, or is in the process of taking over.
It seems that when one reaches this separation of Observer and Observed then it is more likely not to succumb to such egos as fear, anxiety, anger, greed, lust, etc... Not succumbing in the sense that as soon as the thought is observed then it has nowhere else to go and cannot manifest in emotion of action.
When the egoic thoughts arise I can say to myself that "This is an 'I' which must be disintegrated.' But this does not alleviate the pain that the ego brings.
When my heart is pounding because the ego that has taken over what is the practice? Where should I go?
Many questions, I know. Thank you for answering any or all of them. So very grateful for it.
With much respect,
Miguel
Accepted Answer
To know when an ego is emerging, we have to observe ourselves. Identification is constituted by a state in which we feed that given aggregate within the moment of its emergence. To stop identifying is to not to feed it with our psychological energy, or our investment within that particular identity in a given moment. This means to not direct our consciousness through the will and identity of a given defect. This is a subtle and difficult process to understand, which is in itself the work of the transformation of impressions, transactional and structural analysis, as well as counter-transference as described in The Revolution of the Dialectic.
In truth, we develop many egos when entering these studies, egos that comment, "An ego is approaching!" To detect these thoughts, we must observe, since due to our inexperience, we fashion many aggregates that comment about the mind, which in themselves are products of the mind. To overcome this problem, we must observe these elements in action and meditate on their destruction.
To succeed as an observer of the observed, we need energy. This requires that we transmute our sexual energies, so that we have the power of perceive our mind in action. To perfect this process of observation takes great trial, experimentation and difficulty, but with practice, the faculty of self-observation develops marvelously within our interior in conjunction with our work in sexual transmutation.
When an ego is emerging or is trying to take over, relax and observe. That's it! Observe it, so that when you see it emerging, you learn how to not act on it psychologically. That is the next step.
If you feel an emotion like anger taking over, relax and breathe. Samael Aun Weor provided an exercise for controlling anger in Introduction to Gnosis, which simply has the disciple breathing in for six seconds, retaining the breath for six seconds, and exhaling the breath for six seconds. Relax and be at peace. Observe. Learning not to identify with the mind is a great battle, but one that is overcome through the interior state of peace, which makes any initiate truly indestructible.
If you watch martial arts like Judo or Aikido, you can see that the most experienced practitioners are very relaxed. In a state of peace, they are able to throw, lock, pin and disable opponents with great skill, all within a calm state of mind. This is what we need in relation with the dominion of the mind: self-observation and comprehension of one's internal states in the moment. To do that, we must comprehend where we are in a given moment psychologically and not worry about the past of the future!
In truth, we develop many egos when entering these studies, egos that comment, "An ego is approaching!" To detect these thoughts, we must observe, since due to our inexperience, we fashion many aggregates that comment about the mind, which in themselves are products of the mind. To overcome this problem, we must observe these elements in action and meditate on their destruction.
To succeed as an observer of the observed, we need energy. This requires that we transmute our sexual energies, so that we have the power of perceive our mind in action. To perfect this process of observation takes great trial, experimentation and difficulty, but with practice, the faculty of self-observation develops marvelously within our interior in conjunction with our work in sexual transmutation.
When an ego is emerging or is trying to take over, relax and observe. That's it! Observe it, so that when you see it emerging, you learn how to not act on it psychologically. That is the next step.
If you feel an emotion like anger taking over, relax and breathe. Samael Aun Weor provided an exercise for controlling anger in Introduction to Gnosis, which simply has the disciple breathing in for six seconds, retaining the breath for six seconds, and exhaling the breath for six seconds. Relax and be at peace. Observe. Learning not to identify with the mind is a great battle, but one that is overcome through the interior state of peace, which makes any initiate truly indestructible.
If you watch martial arts like Judo or Aikido, you can see that the most experienced practitioners are very relaxed. In a state of peace, they are able to throw, lock, pin and disable opponents with great skill, all within a calm state of mind. This is what we need in relation with the dominion of the mind: self-observation and comprehension of one's internal states in the moment. To do that, we must comprehend where we are in a given moment psychologically and not worry about the past of the future!
The best act of worship is watchfulness of the moments. That is, that the servant not look beyond his limit, not contemplate anything other than his Lord, and not associate with anything other than his present moment. -Al-Wasiti, quoted in Al Risalah: Principles of Sufism
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
Accepted Answer
To know when an ego is emerging, we have to observe ourselves. Identification is constituted by a state in which we feed that given aggregate within the moment of its emergence. To stop identifying is to not to feed it with our psychological energy, or our investment within that particular identity in a given moment. This means to not direct our consciousness through the will and identity of a given defect. This is a subtle and difficult process to understand, which is in itself the work of the transformation of impressions, transactional and structural analysis, as well as counter-transference as described in The Revolution of the Dialectic.
In truth, we develop many egos when entering these studies, egos that comment, "An ego is approaching!" To detect these thoughts, we must observe, since due to our inexperience, we fashion many aggregates that comment about the mind, which in themselves are products of the mind. To overcome this problem, we must observe these elements in action and meditate on their destruction.
To succeed as an observer of the observed, we need energy. This requires that we transmute our sexual energies, so that we have the power of perceive our mind in action. To perfect this process of observation takes great trial, experimentation and difficulty, but with practice, the faculty of self-observation develops marvelously within our interior in conjunction with our work in sexual transmutation.
When an ego is emerging or is trying to take over, relax and observe. That's it! Observe it, so that when you see it emerging, you learn how to not act on it psychologically. That is the next step.
If you feel an emotion like anger taking over, relax and breathe. Samael Aun Weor provided an exercise for controlling anger in Introduction to Gnosis, which simply has the disciple breathing in for six seconds, retaining the breath for six seconds, and exhaling the breath for six seconds. Relax and be at peace. Observe. Learning not to identify with the mind is a great battle, but one that is overcome through the interior state of peace, which makes any initiate truly indestructible.
If you watch martial arts like Judo or Aikido, you can see that the most experienced practitioners are very relaxed. In a state of peace, they are able to throw, lock, pin and disable opponents with great skill, all within a calm state of mind. This is what we need in relation with the dominion of the mind: self-observation and comprehension of one's internal states in the moment. To do that, we must comprehend where we are in a given moment psychologically and not worry about the past of the future!
In truth, we develop many egos when entering these studies, egos that comment, "An ego is approaching!" To detect these thoughts, we must observe, since due to our inexperience, we fashion many aggregates that comment about the mind, which in themselves are products of the mind. To overcome this problem, we must observe these elements in action and meditate on their destruction.
To succeed as an observer of the observed, we need energy. This requires that we transmute our sexual energies, so that we have the power of perceive our mind in action. To perfect this process of observation takes great trial, experimentation and difficulty, but with practice, the faculty of self-observation develops marvelously within our interior in conjunction with our work in sexual transmutation.
When an ego is emerging or is trying to take over, relax and observe. That's it! Observe it, so that when you see it emerging, you learn how to not act on it psychologically. That is the next step.
If you feel an emotion like anger taking over, relax and breathe. Samael Aun Weor provided an exercise for controlling anger in Introduction to Gnosis, which simply has the disciple breathing in for six seconds, retaining the breath for six seconds, and exhaling the breath for six seconds. Relax and be at peace. Observe. Learning not to identify with the mind is a great battle, but one that is overcome through the interior state of peace, which makes any initiate truly indestructible.
If you watch martial arts like Judo or Aikido, you can see that the most experienced practitioners are very relaxed. In a state of peace, they are able to throw, lock, pin and disable opponents with great skill, all within a calm state of mind. This is what we need in relation with the dominion of the mind: self-observation and comprehension of one's internal states in the moment. To do that, we must comprehend where we are in a given moment psychologically and not worry about the past of the future!
The best act of worship is watchfulness of the moments. That is, that the servant not look beyond his limit, not contemplate anything other than his Lord, and not associate with anything other than his present moment. -Al-Wasiti, quoted in Al Risalah: Principles of Sufism
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
Thank you for the answer Benedictus.
Makes great sense. I'll be sure to reread those sections outlined in the Revolution of the Dialectic.
Makes great sense. I'll be sure to reread those sections outlined in the Revolution of the Dialectic.
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