Dear instructors,
I have noticed two different types of dreams that are the result of this practice:
1) The first is where I recognize something odd, unusual, and I instantly become convinced I am in the astral body. For instance, recognizing a person who has been dead for a long time but wondering how they are here with me. It seems in this type of dream, there is a superior form of logic and observation. Often, things are much more vivid and memorable.
2) The second is where it feels mechanical. I simply look around and then perform a jump, but do so without any true discernment. Most of the time, I land back on my feet after the jump and continue my dream unconsciously.
I am wondering, what does it mean when we have the second type of dream? Is it simply that we need to be more profound in our discernment during the day? I am having far more frequently dreams of type 2 than 1 lately and was just wondering if it is related to how I practice, since it seems to have become dull.
Another interesting observation is that dreams of either type can result in not actually succeeding in the jump test. Even if I recognize I am dreaming, sometimes after failing to float in my environment, I continue on with my dream asleep. And the inverse is sometimes true: I can float or fly in my dreams but never associate it with dreaming, which I find a bit ironic.
I have noticed two different types of dreams that are the result of this practice:
1) The first is where I recognize something odd, unusual, and I instantly become convinced I am in the astral body. For instance, recognizing a person who has been dead for a long time but wondering how they are here with me. It seems in this type of dream, there is a superior form of logic and observation. Often, things are much more vivid and memorable.
2) The second is where it feels mechanical. I simply look around and then perform a jump, but do so without any true discernment. Most of the time, I land back on my feet after the jump and continue my dream unconsciously.
I am wondering, what does it mean when we have the second type of dream? Is it simply that we need to be more profound in our discernment during the day? I am having far more frequently dreams of type 2 than 1 lately and was just wondering if it is related to how I practice, since it seems to have become dull.
Another interesting observation is that dreams of either type can result in not actually succeeding in the jump test. Even if I recognize I am dreaming, sometimes after failing to float in my environment, I continue on with my dream asleep. And the inverse is sometimes true: I can float or fly in my dreams but never associate it with dreaming, which I find a bit ironic.
Accepted Answer
You are correct. The clue of discernment is a tool for the consciousness, one that will only work if we ourselves learn how to pay attention. It is like a hammer, saw or ruler; these are only useful in building a house when we know how to use them, when we have the proper intention and application. These tools, without knowledge of their proper application, are quite useless. The same applies to the clue of discernment without an active consciousness.
I cannot recount how many times I have pulled my finger or jumped in the air to fly only to continue within the dream state, waking up in the morning having lost wonderful opportunities for investigation. I heard a story from another Gnostic instructor about this that is actually quite funny (and quite embarrassing for him). He practiced the clue of discernment by pulling his nose out like Pinocchio, and yet he did not realize he was in the astral plane!
What this illustrates for us is that discernment is a quality of the consciousness that we need to develop, and that the clues of discernment provided by the Master Samael are in order to aid the consciousness that is actively paying attention. Otherwise the tool remains what it is: a mechanical device. If we continue to be mechanical in our perception, habits and identity, then we will not know the difference between waking and dreaming life.
However, when you know how to consciously question your surroundings with the intention of discerning your environment, then the clues given by Samael Aun Weor are extremely effective. Jumping in the air to float, pulling your finger to see it stretch, or pushing your fingers through a window of glass, become indicators or means of verifying your conscious discrimination of your surroundings.
If you have the right intention, then the techniques will work. If the consciousness does not have enough strength to discern reality (since it borders between Pistis and Dianoia) then it will continue to dream, even with the best spiritual tools available.
I cannot recount how many times I have pulled my finger or jumped in the air to fly only to continue within the dream state, waking up in the morning having lost wonderful opportunities for investigation. I heard a story from another Gnostic instructor about this that is actually quite funny (and quite embarrassing for him). He practiced the clue of discernment by pulling his nose out like Pinocchio, and yet he did not realize he was in the astral plane!
What this illustrates for us is that discernment is a quality of the consciousness that we need to develop, and that the clues of discernment provided by the Master Samael are in order to aid the consciousness that is actively paying attention. Otherwise the tool remains what it is: a mechanical device. If we continue to be mechanical in our perception, habits and identity, then we will not know the difference between waking and dreaming life.
However, when you know how to consciously question your surroundings with the intention of discerning your environment, then the clues given by Samael Aun Weor are extremely effective. Jumping in the air to float, pulling your finger to see it stretch, or pushing your fingers through a window of glass, become indicators or means of verifying your conscious discrimination of your surroundings.
If you have the right intention, then the techniques will work. If the consciousness does not have enough strength to discern reality (since it borders between Pistis and Dianoia) then it will continue to dream, even with the best spiritual tools available.
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
Accepted Answer
You are correct. The clue of discernment is a tool for the consciousness, one that will only work if we ourselves learn how to pay attention. It is like a hammer, saw or ruler; these are only useful in building a house when we know how to use them, when we have the proper intention and application. These tools, without knowledge of their proper application, are quite useless. The same applies to the clue of discernment without an active consciousness.
I cannot recount how many times I have pulled my finger or jumped in the air to fly only to continue within the dream state, waking up in the morning having lost wonderful opportunities for investigation. I heard a story from another Gnostic instructor about this that is actually quite funny (and quite embarrassing for him). He practiced the clue of discernment by pulling his nose out like Pinocchio, and yet he did not realize he was in the astral plane!
What this illustrates for us is that discernment is a quality of the consciousness that we need to develop, and that the clues of discernment provided by the Master Samael are in order to aid the consciousness that is actively paying attention. Otherwise the tool remains what it is: a mechanical device. If we continue to be mechanical in our perception, habits and identity, then we will not know the difference between waking and dreaming life.
However, when you know how to consciously question your surroundings with the intention of discerning your environment, then the clues given by Samael Aun Weor are extremely effective. Jumping in the air to float, pulling your finger to see it stretch, or pushing your fingers through a window of glass, become indicators or means of verifying your conscious discrimination of your surroundings.
If you have the right intention, then the techniques will work. If the consciousness does not have enough strength to discern reality (since it borders between Pistis and Dianoia) then it will continue to dream, even with the best spiritual tools available.
I cannot recount how many times I have pulled my finger or jumped in the air to fly only to continue within the dream state, waking up in the morning having lost wonderful opportunities for investigation. I heard a story from another Gnostic instructor about this that is actually quite funny (and quite embarrassing for him). He practiced the clue of discernment by pulling his nose out like Pinocchio, and yet he did not realize he was in the astral plane!
What this illustrates for us is that discernment is a quality of the consciousness that we need to develop, and that the clues of discernment provided by the Master Samael are in order to aid the consciousness that is actively paying attention. Otherwise the tool remains what it is: a mechanical device. If we continue to be mechanical in our perception, habits and identity, then we will not know the difference between waking and dreaming life.
However, when you know how to consciously question your surroundings with the intention of discerning your environment, then the clues given by Samael Aun Weor are extremely effective. Jumping in the air to float, pulling your finger to see it stretch, or pushing your fingers through a window of glass, become indicators or means of verifying your conscious discrimination of your surroundings.
If you have the right intention, then the techniques will work. If the consciousness does not have enough strength to discern reality (since it borders between Pistis and Dianoia) then it will continue to dream, even with the best spiritual tools available.
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
Thank you, Benedictus. I can definitely see that I need a lot of work to develop these skills. That story reminds me of all the absurd things that happen in our dreams but they just seem "normal" at the time. 
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