Tuesday, 05 February 2013
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I added a youtube video as a reference on my question about Alchemy in the Astral Plane. This video had a speaker which, I have run across a few times and spoke in reference to the subject. My impression of the man so far is that he clearly has ego, as all of us do, but I haven't heard him say or write anything out of line with Master Samael's teachings.
I understand if this man is misleading students. However, it is obviously bad form to accuse someone without providing some sort of reason for your accusation. Honestly, I would like you to give me an example of him misleading students so I can be aware of it. Shouldn't I be aware of it? I realize this is your forum and you can do what you want with it. But, we Gnostics are not that kind of people. We have purpose and knowledge of what we are doing when we do it. To claim negligence against someone with no proof or example is rather suspect in my book. I am not defending the man, I am merely defending just and upright behavior, which I should be able to expect out of a Gnostic Instructor.
When the swift sword of wrath was brought down upon my post, I was also cut off from being able participate in my own question. This to seems rather disturbing to me.
Please provide me with some explanation as what happened and why I am to write an individual off as someone who misleads others. If an example is not provided this is nothing more than slander. Once again, I am not defending the individual, I am defending upright behavior.
Answer from Nicodemus:
It is a bug in the forums. No one can reply to posts at the moment, not even instructors. That's why I had to reply to this one by editing your post. So don't overreact. The forum software was recently updated and they're still working some of the kinks out of the system.
I understand if this man is misleading students. However, it is obviously bad form to accuse someone without providing some sort of reason for your accusation. Honestly, I would like you to give me an example of him misleading students so I can be aware of it. Shouldn't I be aware of it? I realize this is your forum and you can do what you want with it. But, we Gnostics are not that kind of people. We have purpose and knowledge of what we are doing when we do it. To claim negligence against someone with no proof or example is rather suspect in my book. I am not defending the man, I am merely defending just and upright behavior, which I should be able to expect out of a Gnostic Instructor.
When the swift sword of wrath was brought down upon my post, I was also cut off from being able participate in my own question. This to seems rather disturbing to me.
Please provide me with some explanation as what happened and why I am to write an individual off as someone who misleads others. If an example is not provided this is nothing more than slander. Once again, I am not defending the individual, I am defending upright behavior.
Answer from Nicodemus:
It is a bug in the forums. No one can reply to posts at the moment, not even instructors. That's why I had to reply to this one by editing your post. So don't overreact. The forum software was recently updated and they're still working some of the kinks out of the system.
Accepted Answer
1. Which is easier now: working physically or astrally? This will answer your question.
2. Both.
2.a. Gnosis = CONSCIOUS knowledge.
3. First, read this quote from Samael Aun Weor:
Now read this one:
And:
99.999999999% of the time, those who claim to practice sexual alchemy in the astral plane are fornicating with succubi or incubi (their own creations), or with witches or sorcerers.
2. Both.
2.a. Gnosis = CONSCIOUS knowledge.
3. First, read this quote from Samael Aun Weor:
Dakini is a Tibetan term that refers to faerie women, sacred women of the Astral world who with the condition of a upright behavior can help an initiate in the practice of sexual alchemy. In Tibet, much has been said about dakinis. Thus, some monks who in the physical world do not have priestess-spouses have married dakinis, who are ladies who soar in the clouds, invisible, strange ladies. Indeed, they fly in the clouds. So, these are the dakinis, who are very special creatures...
Question: Do they live in the astral world?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, in the astral, mental, causal, and everywhere.
Obviously, the monks who have married them have done all their esoteric work with them; they have worked in the ninth sphere with them.
Likewise, women of a certain category have married devas, and work in the ninth sphere with Devas, without the need of having a man of flesh and bone.
So, all of this is possible. Nonetheless, it is possible only for those people who indeed have very few egos. For a woman to have the high honor of marrying a deva, obviously she must have a tremendous degree of purity. She must have destroyed a lot of ego. Only on this condition can she receive a deva as a husband. Likewise, for a man to receive a dakini as a priestess, he must have been very purified, having eliminated many psychic aggregates.
For example, it is clear that for a man who does not have a priestess, after having been awakened by the members of Epoptae Order, he can then receive as a consort a deva or dakini who is completely polarized with the shakti, or eternal feminine principle. Thus, by working esoterically with her, he will then get the creation of his existential, superior bodies of his Being—meaning, if still he does not have those vehicles—or he will restore the fire in these vehicles, if he already has them. Likewise, a woman who has no consort can receive a deva for her esoteric work.
Now read this one:
Those who tread the path are often erotically attacked by the tenebrous ones (usually at night) while their bodies repose during their normal sleep. Temples of black magic exist in the Internal Worlds, thus, naturally, their tenebrous members send certain very beautiful and seductive black sorceresses to male students, with the sole purpose of making them fall sexually. - The Divine Science
And:
“In Bergamo, Brognoli was taken to a young merchant of about twenty-two years of age who had been weakened to the point of being just skin and bones due to the torment of a succubus.
“A few months before, while lying in his bed, a demon in the form of an extraordinarily beautiful girl with whom he had been in love, appeared before him.
“As he cried out contemplating the figure, she insisted that he keep quiet, assuring him that she really was the same girl and because her mother had beaten her, she had to run away to the home of her beloved.
“He knew that she was not his Theresa but rather a turbulent spirit. However, after talking and embracing, he took her to bed with him.
“Later the figure told him that in fact she was not the girl, but a demon who desired him, one of his devilish egos. That is why she united with him day and night. - The Mystery of the Golden Blossom
99.999999999% of the time, those who claim to practice sexual alchemy in the astral plane are fornicating with succubi or incubi (their own creations), or with witches or sorcerers.
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
Do the same rules apply when performing sexual magic in the astral plane? How can one be sure they are practicing with their husband/wife? It is said that Master Samael took on a consort besides his wife later in his life. Was this in the physical plane or the internal worlds?
1. Work in the Astral Plane is actually more demanding and difficult. The "rules" are the same.
2. How can you be sure of what you are doing in the Astral Plane? Only by awakening! Use the prayers and conjurations.
3. Physical.
2. How can you be sure of what you are doing in the Astral Plane? Only by awakening! Use the prayers and conjurations.
3. Physical.
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
You state work in the Astral Plane is more demanding and difficult. How so?
Use them before going to sleep or while awakened in the Astral, or both? What if one is performing sexual magic unconsciously or can one only truly perform sexual magic consciously?
Is it possible that an initiate might be sent a consort for work in the Astral Plane?
Use them before going to sleep or while awakened in the Astral, or both? What if one is performing sexual magic unconsciously or can one only truly perform sexual magic consciously?
Is it possible that an initiate might be sent a consort for work in the Astral Plane?
Accepted Answer
1. Which is easier now: working physically or astrally? This will answer your question.
2. Both.
2.a. Gnosis = CONSCIOUS knowledge.
3. First, read this quote from Samael Aun Weor:
Now read this one:
And:
99.999999999% of the time, those who claim to practice sexual alchemy in the astral plane are fornicating with succubi or incubi (their own creations), or with witches or sorcerers.
2. Both.
2.a. Gnosis = CONSCIOUS knowledge.
3. First, read this quote from Samael Aun Weor:
Dakini is a Tibetan term that refers to faerie women, sacred women of the Astral world who with the condition of a upright behavior can help an initiate in the practice of sexual alchemy. In Tibet, much has been said about dakinis. Thus, some monks who in the physical world do not have priestess-spouses have married dakinis, who are ladies who soar in the clouds, invisible, strange ladies. Indeed, they fly in the clouds. So, these are the dakinis, who are very special creatures...
Question: Do they live in the astral world?
Samael Aun Weor: Well, in the astral, mental, causal, and everywhere.
Obviously, the monks who have married them have done all their esoteric work with them; they have worked in the ninth sphere with them.
Likewise, women of a certain category have married devas, and work in the ninth sphere with Devas, without the need of having a man of flesh and bone.
So, all of this is possible. Nonetheless, it is possible only for those people who indeed have very few egos. For a woman to have the high honor of marrying a deva, obviously she must have a tremendous degree of purity. She must have destroyed a lot of ego. Only on this condition can she receive a deva as a husband. Likewise, for a man to receive a dakini as a priestess, he must have been very purified, having eliminated many psychic aggregates.
For example, it is clear that for a man who does not have a priestess, after having been awakened by the members of Epoptae Order, he can then receive as a consort a deva or dakini who is completely polarized with the shakti, or eternal feminine principle. Thus, by working esoterically with her, he will then get the creation of his existential, superior bodies of his Being—meaning, if still he does not have those vehicles—or he will restore the fire in these vehicles, if he already has them. Likewise, a woman who has no consort can receive a deva for her esoteric work.
Now read this one:
Those who tread the path are often erotically attacked by the tenebrous ones (usually at night) while their bodies repose during their normal sleep. Temples of black magic exist in the Internal Worlds, thus, naturally, their tenebrous members send certain very beautiful and seductive black sorceresses to male students, with the sole purpose of making them fall sexually. - The Divine Science
And:
“In Bergamo, Brognoli was taken to a young merchant of about twenty-two years of age who had been weakened to the point of being just skin and bones due to the torment of a succubus.
“A few months before, while lying in his bed, a demon in the form of an extraordinarily beautiful girl with whom he had been in love, appeared before him.
“As he cried out contemplating the figure, she insisted that he keep quiet, assuring him that she really was the same girl and because her mother had beaten her, she had to run away to the home of her beloved.
“He knew that she was not his Theresa but rather a turbulent spirit. However, after talking and embracing, he took her to bed with him.
“Later the figure told him that in fact she was not the girl, but a demon who desired him, one of his devilish egos. That is why she united with him day and night. - The Mystery of the Golden Blossom
99.999999999% of the time, those who claim to practice sexual alchemy in the astral plane are fornicating with succubi or incubi (their own creations), or with witches or sorcerers.
“Nothing is easier than self-deceit. For what each man wishes, that he also believes.” —Demosthenes
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." —Samael Aun Weor
If I am reading what Master Samael said correctly, only those without physical spouses and very little ego receive a consort. But, he himself had both a spouse and a consort. It would seem that there may be cases where exceptions are made. What if the kabbalistic signature of an experience seems to point toward a pure and virginal entity who is there to assist? Obviously much meditation is necessary in order not to fall into mistakes. We are taught to rely on intuition when it comes to the Kabbalah. This can sometimes go against what our concept of right and wrong are intellectually. The words of Master Yeshuah are that if one thinks of fornicating with another, he commits adultery. But what if one practices with another in the Astral completely chaste, yet unconsciously? It is always safer to assume that an experience like this is negative, but it's difficult to go on an assumption with an overwhelming gut feeling that it is a totally unique experience compared with previous negative experiences in the Astral. With very profound kabbalistic symbols as well. The only thing that I have failed to confirm is evidence in the Physical Plane to support the idea. I read somewhere there is always supporting evidence in the Physical Plane for genuine Astral experiences. Either I am unable to see it thus far,or it isn't there. Only time will tell I suppose. I just really need some advice from someone more mature. I would like to share the experience in more detail so that I could hear what an instructor thinks, but maybe that is not a good idea for the forum. Also, I always hear it being said that only our own Innermost can reveal our individual experiences to us.
Do you have any further advice that you can give me?
Do you have any further advice that you can give me?
Black magicians mortally hate the Holy Eucharist. Magicians of darkness justify their hatred for the rituals of bread and wine in many different ways. Sometimes they give the gospels the most whimsical interpretations based on their fantasy. Their own subconsciousness betrays them. They try to do away with the Last Supper in any way possible. They hate the Last Supper of the Adorable One. Our disciples must be alert and vigilant for these types of dangerous subjects. Anyone who hates the rituals of the Last Supper is a black magician. Anyone who rejects the bread and wine of the Gnostic Unction, rejects the flesh and blood of the Christ. These types of people are black magicians. - Samael Aun Weor
After Samael Aun Weor passed away, Joaquin Amortegui destroyed Samael's work by pronouncing himself against the Gnostic Unction, he literally closed the doors to the Solar Logos in assisting humanity in the heart. Many Gnostic students were and are misled by his teachings. There is one faithful follower of his - among the many - that with his videos is still preaching the same hasnamussean nonsensical doctrine through the internet, and advising "Gnostics" not to take the Eucharist.
May peace be with your soul.
Therefore, Any post showing the misleading teachings of Mr. Joaquin Amortegui will be deleted!
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5
This is valuable to know, thank you. Those of us who are not long time veterans, did not witness any of these scandals that occur within the modern Gnostic movement. Thus, it is proper to inform us who weren't there, in order that we might have the opportunity to investigate those things which require individual investigation. We are not followers after hearsay, nor are we prejudiced without cause. There should be no Justice without Mercy, nor Mercy without Justice.
We should have compassion for our Black Brothers and Sisters, but not without a proper sense of the authority of Truth. If what you say is true, then it is obvious that the misled will continue to mislead and this must be taken note of.
May we who are fallen, gain footing in order to provide a helping hand to our fellow fallen Brothers and Sisters.
IAO Bless you and know that I am at peace with this.
I am now considering this issue resolved as far as the forum is concerned. Any further help that I can receive on the subject can and must be provided by my Innermost, based on my own individual efforts.
Truly, I love you, my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. The very best that my fallen, sleepy, unconscious self knows how. May we all incarnate Love in it's Perfection. We are all black in our own level and there is Hope for each and every one of us!
We should have compassion for our Black Brothers and Sisters, but not without a proper sense of the authority of Truth. If what you say is true, then it is obvious that the misled will continue to mislead and this must be taken note of.
May we who are fallen, gain footing in order to provide a helping hand to our fellow fallen Brothers and Sisters.
IAO Bless you and know that I am at peace with this.
I am now considering this issue resolved as far as the forum is concerned. Any further help that I can receive on the subject can and must be provided by my Innermost, based on my own individual efforts.
Truly, I love you, my Brothers and Sisters in Christ. The very best that my fallen, sleepy, unconscious self knows how. May we all incarnate Love in it's Perfection. We are all black in our own level and there is Hope for each and every one of us!
I am not overreacting, I am speaking when I should speak. Now that I do not need to speak, I will not. The situation has been rectified in full and there is no need to spend any more effort on it. As we can see, replies are back in working order and the explanation that was needed has been given.
Blessings!
Blessings!
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