Good video. Lots of wisdom. But unfortunately, I get kinda triggered every time you guys ask to 'Help bring viewers' or 'Spread Glorian's message to the world'... Two reasons. But before I say all of the issues with this tradition, I want you to know that I respect your desire to help people. Some things are indisputably helpful here... teaching us to not identify with ego or to follow lust. BRILLIANT. But let me lay out all my concerns in one post because I don't want to make numerous posts like this. I'll just lay out 5 inconsistencies because the list could go on for much longer but 5 inconsistencies should drive the point home....
1.) Lack of proof - and okay, I will concede that maybe there is an element of self-protection involved here. You guys don't want to get harassed or imprisoned, fine.
2.) This is inexcusable. There are so many inconsistencies in what Samael Aun Weor taught, and instructors teaching things that don't align with what Samael Aun Weor taught, instructors expressing views that contradict with other instructors...
You've gotta understand, I am not a spiritual master here and nor is it my mission to aggravate you by constantly making posts attacking/criticizing you. Truth is, I am here because I want to be liberated. I've shifted (Probably like many others too) from various traditions and finally landed into Glorian because all the rest were highly suspect/false/unfulfilling. Unfortunately, I see Glorian going down as just another false tradition too unless you guys can clear up the inconsistencies. Even so, I thank and respect you for TRYING to help. But seriously, it seems that you guys dont wish to clear up any inconsistencies. Like for example, one instructor on here says that you can get married to a non-gnostic and still get liberated as long as you have genuine love for each other when Samael himself says that if a man and woman have seperate religions, they can't experience true love???
Inconsitency no.1 Love and alchemy
Samael said and I QUOTE 'In order for love to exist, it is necessary for a true communion of souls to exist in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will.' Okay. Now compare this with what the instructor Jang Mi says over here https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/21365-spouse-1. He says that a gnostic and a non-gnostic in a marriage can have genuine love aslong as they... respect each other's different beliefs? LOL. Come on... if you truly believe this Jang Mi, then why do you follow Glorian who follow Samael Aun Weor whole heartedly Inconsitency No.1
Inconsistency No.2 False traditions
Instructor Al-Mustafa declares that the hadiths of sahih bukhari are not entirely trustworthy since they rely on transmission of word of mouth in a chain until the original message could very well have been changed. But then another instructor declares that Sahih bukhari is divinely inspired works of kaballah. Okay... So Aisha's age could've been a non-literal, kabbalistic thing but then I dare you to kaballisticaly explain all the hadiths that talk about mohammed encouraging drinking of camel urine and of him stealing his adopted sons wife and calling black people raisin heads, talking about how women are deficient in intellignence etc etc!
Inconsistency No.3. Gambling
Samael Aun Weor himself promoted gambling and Instructor Alexis denounces this. Samael Aun Weor in a section talking about Tattvas said that one should buy lottery tickets at certain times. Instructor Alexis says that participating in the lottery is an entirely useless endeavor and I tend to agree with Alexis on this one. But even so, as with Jang Mi. if you have disagreements with Samael Aun Weor then why is he the figurehead of this tradition? https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/14197-apas-tattva-timing#reply-14202
No other tradition is like this. In christianity or Islam, the propagators don't outright disagree with the figurehead of their religion. A priest doesn't disagree with Jesus and a sheikh does not disagree with the positions of Muhammad. So why is it that Glorian and it's instructors are constantly clashing ideologically with Samael Aun Weor??
Inconsistency No.4. Scientific blunder
Impossibility of 'pure sexual alchemy'. Glorian suggests that it is possible for a man to impregnate a woman without ejaculating inside her vagina. But you have to do it on the month of may, at dawn, after waiting for 9 months. The procedure was explained to me a long time ago by Alexis. But here's the thing. There is no scientific evidence that a single sperm can exit a mans penis. The process of ejaculation requires the semen to feed nutrients to the sperm so there's no way that a single sperm cell can survive the journey to a womans ovum because it would lose potency very quickly. https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Semen.aspx#:~:text=Semen%20is%20a%20greyish%20white,survive%20to%20facilitate%20successful%20fertilization. (Can't be bothered to quote a better scientific source from pubmed but there are many)
Inconsistency No.5 Extraterrestrial fornicators.
According to Samael Aun Weor, alien women visit certain humans, have sex with them, take their sperm in order to develop hybrid species. For a man who claims that extraterrestrials are highly moral, highly scientific and chaste people, it makes no sense as to why they fornicate with humans. Al-Mustafa provided an unsatisfactory answer by saying that they are not fornicators... when clearly they are? He made no attempt at proving how they are not fornicators.
Did these alien women stick around for these men and practice sexual alchemy like a couple? NO. they just come in, have sex, take their sperm and leave the scene lool. Now explain how that is not fornication. Instructor Benedictus, although providing good insight in his response also made no attempt at proving how extraterrestrials are not fornicators if they are undergoing sperm extraction campaigns in the way that they do. https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/26487-extraterrestrial-abduction-seduction
Now you can ignore me, you can answer me if you wish. But if you decide to answer me, don't provide vague, unsatisfactory answers. Please.
Lastly. Again, YOU are the ones who said you want to reach the world. https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al9WDtpKy8Rxaaa6a3geQSqnto0?e=7IfCAk
But Alexis in another place says that Glorian does not intend on reaching the world. WHICH IS IT? What is your mission Glorian? Stop the mixed messages... https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al9WDtpKy8RxalCEPu5hwimd7Vo?e=RpIGov
1.) Lack of proof - and okay, I will concede that maybe there is an element of self-protection involved here. You guys don't want to get harassed or imprisoned, fine.
2.) This is inexcusable. There are so many inconsistencies in what Samael Aun Weor taught, and instructors teaching things that don't align with what Samael Aun Weor taught, instructors expressing views that contradict with other instructors...
You've gotta understand, I am not a spiritual master here and nor is it my mission to aggravate you by constantly making posts attacking/criticizing you. Truth is, I am here because I want to be liberated. I've shifted (Probably like many others too) from various traditions and finally landed into Glorian because all the rest were highly suspect/false/unfulfilling. Unfortunately, I see Glorian going down as just another false tradition too unless you guys can clear up the inconsistencies. Even so, I thank and respect you for TRYING to help. But seriously, it seems that you guys dont wish to clear up any inconsistencies. Like for example, one instructor on here says that you can get married to a non-gnostic and still get liberated as long as you have genuine love for each other when Samael himself says that if a man and woman have seperate religions, they can't experience true love???
Inconsitency no.1 Love and alchemy
Samael said and I QUOTE 'In order for love to exist, it is necessary for a true communion of souls to exist in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will.' Okay. Now compare this with what the instructor Jang Mi says over here https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/21365-spouse-1. He says that a gnostic and a non-gnostic in a marriage can have genuine love aslong as they... respect each other's different beliefs? LOL. Come on... if you truly believe this Jang Mi, then why do you follow Glorian who follow Samael Aun Weor whole heartedly Inconsitency No.1
Inconsistency No.2 False traditions
Instructor Al-Mustafa declares that the hadiths of sahih bukhari are not entirely trustworthy since they rely on transmission of word of mouth in a chain until the original message could very well have been changed. But then another instructor declares that Sahih bukhari is divinely inspired works of kaballah. Okay... So Aisha's age could've been a non-literal, kabbalistic thing but then I dare you to kaballisticaly explain all the hadiths that talk about mohammed encouraging drinking of camel urine and of him stealing his adopted sons wife and calling black people raisin heads, talking about how women are deficient in intellignence etc etc!
Inconsistency No.3. Gambling
Samael Aun Weor himself promoted gambling and Instructor Alexis denounces this. Samael Aun Weor in a section talking about Tattvas said that one should buy lottery tickets at certain times. Instructor Alexis says that participating in the lottery is an entirely useless endeavor and I tend to agree with Alexis on this one. But even so, as with Jang Mi. if you have disagreements with Samael Aun Weor then why is he the figurehead of this tradition? https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/14197-apas-tattva-timing#reply-14202
No other tradition is like this. In christianity or Islam, the propagators don't outright disagree with the figurehead of their religion. A priest doesn't disagree with Jesus and a sheikh does not disagree with the positions of Muhammad. So why is it that Glorian and it's instructors are constantly clashing ideologically with Samael Aun Weor??
Inconsistency No.4. Scientific blunder
Impossibility of 'pure sexual alchemy'. Glorian suggests that it is possible for a man to impregnate a woman without ejaculating inside her vagina. But you have to do it on the month of may, at dawn, after waiting for 9 months. The procedure was explained to me a long time ago by Alexis. But here's the thing. There is no scientific evidence that a single sperm can exit a mans penis. The process of ejaculation requires the semen to feed nutrients to the sperm so there's no way that a single sperm cell can survive the journey to a womans ovum because it would lose potency very quickly. https://www.news-medical.net/health/What-is-Semen.aspx#:~:text=Semen%20is%20a%20greyish%20white,survive%20to%20facilitate%20successful%20fertilization. (Can't be bothered to quote a better scientific source from pubmed but there are many)
Inconsistency No.5 Extraterrestrial fornicators.
According to Samael Aun Weor, alien women visit certain humans, have sex with them, take their sperm in order to develop hybrid species. For a man who claims that extraterrestrials are highly moral, highly scientific and chaste people, it makes no sense as to why they fornicate with humans. Al-Mustafa provided an unsatisfactory answer by saying that they are not fornicators... when clearly they are? He made no attempt at proving how they are not fornicators.
Did these alien women stick around for these men and practice sexual alchemy like a couple? NO. they just come in, have sex, take their sperm and leave the scene lool. Now explain how that is not fornication. Instructor Benedictus, although providing good insight in his response also made no attempt at proving how extraterrestrials are not fornicators if they are undergoing sperm extraction campaigns in the way that they do. https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/26487-extraterrestrial-abduction-seduction
Now you can ignore me, you can answer me if you wish. But if you decide to answer me, don't provide vague, unsatisfactory answers. Please.
Lastly. Again, YOU are the ones who said you want to reach the world. https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al9WDtpKy8Rxaaa6a3geQSqnto0?e=7IfCAk
But Alexis in another place says that Glorian does not intend on reaching the world. WHICH IS IT? What is your mission Glorian? Stop the mixed messages... https://1drv.ms/i/s!Al9WDtpKy8RxalCEPu5hwimd7Vo?e=RpIGov
Accepted Answer
Instructors are not perfect, and when we receive understanding in meditation, it is not the type of knowledge that is easy to explain in words. Real knowledge cannot be communicated fully in words, because truth is beyond the intellect. We need to awaken consciousness to understand truth beyond the "battle of the opposites"--because truth is living, dynamic, and not limited to the black-and-white, yes-or-no dualism of the mind. Access the living truth of these questions within your own consciousness, when your mind is at rest.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
It is necessary to not mistake love for passion. Lamentably, young men and women do not know how to distinguish between love and passion.
It is essential to know that passion is a poison that deceives the mind and the heart.
Every impassioned man and every impassioned woman would even swear with tears of blood that they are truly in love, however, after their animal passion is satisfied, their castle of cards falls to the ground.
Many marriages fail because they are based on animal passion and not on love.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
In order for true love to exist between two beings, it is essential for animal passion to not exist. Likewise, it is indispensable to dissolve the “I” of jealousy, necessary to disintegrate anger, and moreover, it is vital to have an unselfishness capable of facing any circumstance.
The “I” harms homes; the “myself” destroys harmony. If young men and women study our fundamentals of Gnostic education and propose to dissolve their “I,” then, by all means, it is clear that they will be able to tread on the path of the perfect matrimony.
Only by means of the dissolution of the ego will true happiness be within all homes.
To those young men and women who want to be happy in marriage we advise an in depth study of our fundamentals of Gnostic education and for them to dissolve their “I.”
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
Man and woman must be voluntarily united because of love, but never because of fear and jealousy.
The man will answer for his behavior before the Great Law, likewise the woman will answer for hers. A husband cannot answer for the behavior of his wife nor can the wife answer for the behavior of her husband. Thus, let each spouse answer for their own behavior and let them both dissolve their jealousy.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
Answer for number 4?
https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/23075-immaculate-conception-3
I am curious ( on a positive way
https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/23075-immaculate-conception-3
I am curious ( on a positive way
Glorian does provide the exacts steps to awaken, maybe we should focus on that bc we are asleep and easily confused. Maybe it will all make more sense if you awaken.
There are no issues here, just human errors. The instructors are not perfect -- they're learning and practicing just like us.
Your doubts are unjustified too. Try it out and see for yourself if this is a false tradition or not.
Or give up. Your choice.
Your doubts are unjustified too. Try it out and see for yourself if this is a false tradition or not.
Or give up. Your choice.
Accepted Answer
Instructors are not perfect, and when we receive understanding in meditation, it is not the type of knowledge that is easy to explain in words. Real knowledge cannot be communicated fully in words, because truth is beyond the intellect. We need to awaken consciousness to understand truth beyond the "battle of the opposites"--because truth is living, dynamic, and not limited to the black-and-white, yes-or-no dualism of the mind. Access the living truth of these questions within your own consciousness, when your mind is at rest.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
It is necessary to not mistake love for passion. Lamentably, young men and women do not know how to distinguish between love and passion.
It is essential to know that passion is a poison that deceives the mind and the heart.
Every impassioned man and every impassioned woman would even swear with tears of blood that they are truly in love, however, after their animal passion is satisfied, their castle of cards falls to the ground.
Many marriages fail because they are based on animal passion and not on love.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
In order for true love to exist between two beings, it is essential for animal passion to not exist. Likewise, it is indispensable to dissolve the “I” of jealousy, necessary to disintegrate anger, and moreover, it is vital to have an unselfishness capable of facing any circumstance.
The “I” harms homes; the “myself” destroys harmony. If young men and women study our fundamentals of Gnostic education and propose to dissolve their “I,” then, by all means, it is clear that they will be able to tread on the path of the perfect matrimony.
Only by means of the dissolution of the ego will true happiness be within all homes.
To those young men and women who want to be happy in marriage we advise an in depth study of our fundamentals of Gnostic education and for them to dissolve their “I.”
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
Man and woman must be voluntarily united because of love, but never because of fear and jealousy.
The man will answer for his behavior before the Great Law, likewise the woman will answer for hers. A husband cannot answer for the behavior of his wife nor can the wife answer for the behavior of her husband. Thus, let each spouse answer for their own behavior and let them both dissolve their jealousy.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
Hello Alphonse,
To state that the hadith are not entirely trustworthy does not mean that there are no authentic teachings in them. Some hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari are accurate while others are altered.
Regarding immaculate conceptions, there is no research about it because there are no scientists who know of, are interested in, or are willing to test this phenomenon. Likewise, no initiate couples would volunteer themselves due to the publicity, skepticism, and attention it would bring in their lives. Sincere medical scientists will also readily tell you that there are many unknowns about the human body. Scientific understandings of one hundred years ago are quite different from the scientific understandings of today.
As you know, this teaching is not for everyone. However, to reach the few who want to change, it is necessary to make this knowledge as accessible as possible.
To state that the hadith are not entirely trustworthy does not mean that there are no authentic teachings in them. Some hadith in Sahih al-Bukhari are accurate while others are altered.
Regarding immaculate conceptions, there is no research about it because there are no scientists who know of, are interested in, or are willing to test this phenomenon. Likewise, no initiate couples would volunteer themselves due to the publicity, skepticism, and attention it would bring in their lives. Sincere medical scientists will also readily tell you that there are many unknowns about the human body. Scientific understandings of one hundred years ago are quite different from the scientific understandings of today.
As you know, this teaching is not for everyone. However, to reach the few who want to change, it is necessary to make this knowledge as accessible as possible.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Instructors are not perfect, and when we receive understanding in meditation, it is not the type of knowledge that is easy to explain in words. Real knowledge cannot be communicated fully in words, because truth is beyond the intellect. We need to awaken consciousness to understand truth beyond the "battle of the opposites"--because truth is living, dynamic, and not limited to the black-and-white, yes-or-no dualism of the mind. Access the living truth of these questions within your own consciousness, when your mind is at rest.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
It is necessary to not mistake love for passion. Lamentably, young men and women do not know how to distinguish between love and passion.
It is essential to know that passion is a poison that deceives the mind and the heart.
Every impassioned man and every impassioned woman would even swear with tears of blood that they are truly in love, however, after their animal passion is satisfied, their castle of cards falls to the ground.
Many marriages fail because they are based on animal passion and not on love.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
In order for true love to exist between two beings, it is essential for animal passion to not exist. Likewise, it is indispensable to dissolve the “I” of jealousy, necessary to disintegrate anger, and moreover, it is vital to have an unselfishness capable of facing any circumstance.
The “I” harms homes; the “myself” destroys harmony. If young men and women study our fundamentals of Gnostic education and propose to dissolve their “I,” then, by all means, it is clear that they will be able to tread on the path of the perfect matrimony.
Only by means of the dissolution of the ego will true happiness be within all homes.
To those young men and women who want to be happy in marriage we advise an in depth study of our fundamentals of Gnostic education and for them to dissolve their “I.”
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
Man and woman must be voluntarily united because of love, but never because of fear and jealousy.
The man will answer for his behavior before the Great Law, likewise the woman will answer for hers. A husband cannot answer for the behavior of his wife nor can the wife answer for the behavior of her husband. Thus, let each spouse answer for their own behavior and let them both dissolve their jealousy.
Thanks for your insight. I appreciate it.
Instructors are not perfect, and when we receive understanding in meditation, it is not the type of knowledge that is easy to explain in words. Real knowledge cannot be communicated fully in words, because truth is beyond the intellect. We need to awaken consciousness to understand truth beyond the "battle of the opposites"--because truth is living, dynamic, and not limited to the black-and-white, yes-or-no dualism of the mind. Access the living truth of these questions within your own consciousness, when your mind is at rest.
How does a person at the beginning of the path, without a soul, with only an "essence," come to develop real love, bodhicitta? Is the acquisition of true love within oneself and with a partner instantaneous? Real love develops from a small seed; love grows as we cultivate it. You can see this developmental progression hinted at here: "Love begins with a flash of delectable sympathy. It is substantiated with infinite tenderness and it is synthesized with supreme adoration." In the chapter you've mentioned, Samael Aun Weor seems to be describing love at its higher stages of development.
Look into your own heart. Do you think that if one were to feel this "flash of delectable sympathy" for a person of another religion, it could be cultivated into real love? Do you think that as the seed of love grows, this love can lead to a communion of souls in the three spheres of thought, feeling, and will? Where both souls are united in a willingness to love, other differences become much less significant. Love grows naturally, with time and with conscious cultivation, but it has the power to move mountains.
The biggest obstacle in most relationships is that people cannot distinguish between passion and the seed of real love. People experience the force of passion and believe it is inexhaustible, and people will go to great lengths to try to satisfy passion.
It is necessary to not mistake love for passion. Lamentably, young men and women do not know how to distinguish between love and passion.
It is essential to know that passion is a poison that deceives the mind and the heart.
Every impassioned man and every impassioned woman would even swear with tears of blood that they are truly in love, however, after their animal passion is satisfied, their castle of cards falls to the ground.
Many marriages fail because they are based on animal passion and not on love.
When there are disagreements in relationships of passion, people will try to force their partner to go along with their will rather than achieving real sympathy. When there are disagreements in relationships with that spark of real love, both partners learn how to work toward sympathetic understanding through the tenderness of a loving, humble heart.
We all begin this spiritual and sexual work with ego and with passion, but also with the seed of real love. We must eliminate the passion and ego over time, through spiritual labor, in order to cultivate that love:
In order for true love to exist between two beings, it is essential for animal passion to not exist. Likewise, it is indispensable to dissolve the “I” of jealousy, necessary to disintegrate anger, and moreover, it is vital to have an unselfishness capable of facing any circumstance.
The “I” harms homes; the “myself” destroys harmony. If young men and women study our fundamentals of Gnostic education and propose to dissolve their “I,” then, by all means, it is clear that they will be able to tread on the path of the perfect matrimony.
Only by means of the dissolution of the ego will true happiness be within all homes.
To those young men and women who want to be happy in marriage we advise an in depth study of our fundamentals of Gnostic education and for them to dissolve their “I.”
A person must be willing to sacrifice what they want for the benefit of the person they love. Practicing chastity ourselves, regardless of the sexual behavior of our partner, is of the highest benefit. Due to our karma, we may find that we have to pay through a lot of suffering in our marriage, but if we remain true to chastity and cultivate real love for our partner, we can still develop solar bodies, bodhicitta, and work toward liberation. We are held accountable for our own actions, and we must follow the will of our Innermost God even when it is contrary to our desires or the justifications of our intellect.
Man and woman must be voluntarily united because of love, but never because of fear and jealousy.
The man will answer for his behavior before the Great Law, likewise the woman will answer for hers. A husband cannot answer for the behavior of his wife nor can the wife answer for the behavior of her husband. Thus, let each spouse answer for their own behavior and let them both dissolve their jealousy.
Hi, I appreciate your in-depth response instructor Jang Mi and I confess that there are some things you have helped me to understand. Thank you. I do apologize for my brash tone, I have since relaxed. Here though, Samael Aun Weor says that 'when the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is karmic and one suffers the inexpressible' okay, so does this mean that the seed of love you referred to is only for a person's twin soul? Or, can we have multiple seeds of love for various people, and God gives us the partner he deems fit for us? He also says that the return to Eden is only possible with the twin soul so..... if he gives us a non twin-soul in marriage isn't this akin to handicapping us spiritually?
in https://glorian.org/books/light-from-darkness/attraction-of-the-opposites
Samael aun weor says 'What is ideal in these matters of love is to find the other half, the other half-orange, the twin soul. Only the total and perfect complement can give us inexhaustible happiness; unfortunately this is too much to ask, since we do not deserve that much, given that all of us are full of karmic debts.'
So... i'm led to believe that we have multiple seeds of love for various people. The strongest seed of love is for the twin soul, lesser seeds of love for other people. But, sexual alchemy can work with either. Is this assessment correct?
Hi, I appreciate your in-depth response instructor Jang Mi and I confess that there are some things you have helped me to understand. Thank you. I do apologize for my brash tone, I have since relaxed. Here though, Samael Aun Weor says that 'when the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is karmic and one suffers the inexpressible' okay, so does this mean that the seed of love you referred to is only for a person's twin soul? Or, can we have multiple seeds of love for various people, and God gives us the partner he deems fit for us? He also says that the return to Eden is only possible with the twin soul so..... if he gives us a non twin-soul in marriage isn't this akin to handicapping us spiritually?
in https://glorian.org/books/light-from-darkness/attraction-of-the-opposites
Samael aun weor says 'What is ideal in these matters of love is to find the other half, the other half-orange, the twin soul. Only the total and perfect complement can give us inexhaustible happiness; unfortunately this is too much to ask, since we do not deserve that much, given that all of us are full of karmic debts.'
So... i'm led to believe that we have multiple seeds of love for various people. The strongest seed of love is for the twin soul, lesser seeds of love for other people. But, sexual alchemy can work with either. Is this assessment correct?
[Hi Alphonse, if you are willing with future posts, it would be helpful to have you break up all these questions (from your initial post in this thread) into multiple posts. This would allow us instructors to address the individual questions more directly, and there would be less questions that get overlooked.]
Because we had so many sexual, karmic ties to multiple partners across multiple lives, we do have the potential for real love with those people. I agree that the strongest love will be with the twin soul, but as Master Samael points out, we might not reunite with the twin soul in this lifetime due to the large amount of karmic debts that we must resolve. (Our twin soul might not even be physically incarnated at this time with us, so we would necessarily have to perform the alchemical work with another if that were the case.)
Karma of fornication is paid through pain, and so even as we may be cultivating love in a marriage, there is also going to be suffering there as we comprehend our defects and karma. If real love is present and continues to be cultivated (and ego disintegrated), then the sexual alchemy will be effective. We must work with the partner God determines is best for us in this lifetime, so that we can pay the karmic debts we must pay now. At the end of the path, when those karmas are paid, we can reunite with the twin soul and return to Eden. (Keep in mind most will not accomplish the full work of the three mountains in a single lifetime.)
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
Hi, I appreciate your in-depth response instructor Jang Mi and I confess that there are some things you have helped me to understand. Thank you. I do apologize for my brash tone, I have since relaxed. Here though, Samael Aun Weor says that 'when the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is karmic and one suffers the inexpressible' okay, so does this mean that the seed of love you referred to is only for a person's twin soul? Or, can we have multiple seeds of love for various people, and God gives us the partner he deems fit for us? He also says that the return to Eden is only possible with the twin soul so..... if he gives us a non twin-soul in marriage isn't this akin to handicapping us spiritually?
in https://glorian.org/books/light-from-darkness/attraction-of-the-opposites
Samael aun weor says 'What is ideal in these matters of love is to find the other half, the other half-orange, the twin soul. Only the total and perfect complement can give us inexhaustible happiness; unfortunately this is too much to ask, since we do not deserve that much, given that all of us are full of karmic debts.'
So... i'm led to believe that we have multiple seeds of love for various people. The strongest seed of love is for the twin soul, lesser seeds of love for other people. But, sexual alchemy can work with either. Is this assessment correct?
[Hi Alphonse, if you are willing with future posts, it would be helpful to have you break up all these questions (from your initial post in this thread) into multiple posts. This would allow us instructors to address the individual questions more directly, and there would be less questions that get overlooked.]
Because we had so many sexual, karmic ties to multiple partners across multiple lives, we do have the potential for real love with those people. I agree that the strongest love will be with the twin soul, but as Master Samael points out, we might not reunite with the twin soul in this lifetime due to the large amount of karmic debts that we must resolve. (Our twin soul might not even be physically incarnated at this time with us, so we would necessarily have to perform the alchemical work with another if that were the case.)
Karma of fornication is paid through pain, and so even as we may be cultivating love in a marriage, there is also going to be suffering there as we comprehend our defects and karma. If real love is present and continues to be cultivated (and ego disintegrated), then the sexual alchemy will be effective. We must work with the partner God determines is best for us in this lifetime, so that we can pay the karmic debts we must pay now. At the end of the path, when those karmas are paid, we can reunite with the twin soul and return to Eden. (Keep in mind most will not accomplish the full work of the three mountains in a single lifetime.)
Thank you very much, I apologize for loading so much into one post. I will do better next time. I understand this topic a little better now.
I just have one thing that has been confusing me so much. What exactly is a twin soul? I do not refer to the kaballistic aspect of this... geburah and the sephiroths etc... I mean... why exactly are two people 'twin souls' or 'twin flames' as people in the modern day say.
Samael Aun Weor says 'Thirsty for love, souls always wander in search of their other half, their twin soul, from which they have been separated since the dawn of creation.'
Firstly...
Why does Samael say that souls wander in search of their 'other half?' I am reminded of something Instructor Alexis once said in another post, that twin souls do not share the same innermost. So if they aren't two halves of the same innermost, what are they the two halves of? In other words, what exactly is the relation between twin souls??? what is it that's binding them? what are they the two halves OF? I really hope you understand what I'm saying, I'm not sure if i'm wording this correctly...
https://glorian.org/connect/ask-instructor/19812-twin-souls-and-their-innermost-s
I am not assuming that instructor alexis and samael aun weor are contradicting one another because there is a very good chance that the innermost is not what samael aun weor was referring to when he said 'other half' what is the other half... other half of what... what is the 'whole.' I hope you understand what I'm asking...
Secnodly... What did he mean when saying that twin souls have been seperated since the dawn of creation??? In this tradition, I have heard it said that the split of woman from man (eve from adam) happened during the lemurian epoch... and this happened over a long time.... so were twin souls split in the lemurian epoch or the 'dawn of creation'?
Your confusion is caused by the two different types of twin souls that Master Samael refers to in his writings.
In Light from Darkness, Samael Aun Weor is referring to the Kabbalistic twin soul, the human soul who is separated from his Innermost at the dawn of creation:
In the quote from the Zodaical Course, Samael Aun Weor is talking about two people who were separated when they first fornicated together (left Eden):
In the latter quote, these two people were most likely fallen in the times of Lemuria, when the sexes were separated. At the end of the path, one needs to practice alchemy with the specific person with whom they first fell from Eden (fornicated) in ancient times. Then, they can rectify the error that pulled them out of Eden.
In Light from Darkness, Samael Aun Weor is referring to the Kabbalistic twin soul, the human soul who is separated from his Innermost at the dawn of creation:
Thirsty for love, souls always wander in search of their other half, their twin soul, from which they have been separated since the dawn of creation.
In the quote from the Zodaical Course, Samael Aun Weor is talking about two people who were separated when they first fornicated together (left Eden):
The first woman that man knew in Eden is his twin soul.
The twin souls keep meeting each other, life after life. Together they came out of Eden and together they must return to Eden. When karma separates them, they suffer the inexpressible. True happiness in marriage can only be possible between two twin souls.
When the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is a karmic marriage and one suffers the inexpressible.
In the latter quote, these two people were most likely fallen in the times of Lemuria, when the sexes were separated. At the end of the path, one needs to practice alchemy with the specific person with whom they first fell from Eden (fornicated) in ancient times. Then, they can rectify the error that pulled them out of Eden.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
Your confusion is caused by the two different types of twin souls that Master Samael refers to in his writings.
In Light from Darkness, Samael Aun Weor is referring to the Kabbalistic twin soul, the human soul who is separated from his Innermost at the dawn of creation:
Thirsty for love, souls always wander in search of their other half, their twin soul, from which they have been separated since the dawn of creation.
In the quote from the Zodaical Course, Samael Aun Weor is talking about two people who were separated when they first fornicated together (left Eden):
The first woman that man knew in Eden is his twin soul.
The twin souls keep meeting each other, life after life. Together they came out of Eden and together they must return to Eden. When karma separates them, they suffer the inexpressible. True happiness in marriage can only be possible between two twin souls.
When the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is a karmic marriage and one suffers the inexpressible.
In the latter quote, these two people were most likely fallen in the times of Lemuria, when the sexes were separated. At the end of the path, one needs to practice alchemy with the specific person with whom they first fell from Eden (fornicated) in ancient times. Then, they can rectify the error that pulled them out of Eden.
It's all adding up now. Thank you for the clarifications.
Your confusion is caused by the two different types of twin souls that Master Samael refers to in his writings.
In Light from Darkness, Samael Aun Weor is referring to the Kabbalistic twin soul, the human soul who is separated from his Innermost at the dawn of creation:
Thirsty for love, souls always wander in search of their other half, their twin soul, from which they have been separated since the dawn of creation.
In the quote from the Zodaical Course, Samael Aun Weor is talking about two people who were separated when they first fornicated together (left Eden):
The first woman that man knew in Eden is his twin soul.
The twin souls keep meeting each other, life after life. Together they came out of Eden and together they must return to Eden. When karma separates them, they suffer the inexpressible. True happiness in marriage can only be possible between two twin souls.
When the marriage does not take place with the twin soul, it is a karmic marriage and one suffers the inexpressible.
In the latter quote, these two people were most likely fallen in the times of Lemuria, when the sexes were separated. At the end of the path, one needs to practice alchemy with the specific person with whom they first fell from Eden (fornicated) in ancient times. Then, they can rectify the error that pulled them out of Eden.
What if one twin soul doesn't make any progress on the path of the three mountains? So... Maybe one twin soul has completed the first/second mountain but the other twin soul is still a spiritual novice. Then what? How then can both of them enter Eden together if one of them is so spiritually weak?
Clearly, I cannot go to Eden alone, I must take my twin soul with me. But in order for that to happen, then we must both be devotees of the path, right? So maybe this means that my twin soul, somewhere out there is a gnostic and I just don't know about it?
Personally, I have not reached that level yet, so I can't answer. However, hypothetically speaking only, it could be possible for you to achieve everything up to that point, die physically, and return to a new human body at a future time when your twin soul is reaching the same level of spiritual development.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
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