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  Wednesday, 07 December 2022
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If Nirvanis, elemental buddhas and failed monads are not allowed to stay forever in the Ain, then what will happen to them? Isn't the destiny of everyone to eventually live in the Ain forever and attain deeper realizations inside the Ain? If that's the case, then will those monads who exhausted their 3000 cycles of manifestation return again in another mahamanvantara until they become masters or paramarthasatyas?

Here Master Samael states that the monads that fail leave the Absolute again in a new mahamanvantara:

Samael Aun Weor: With the greatest pleasure, my dear brother. In any case, then, the monads that can fail in 3,000 cosmic cycles are certainly rare, but it is not impossible that some fail. What does it matter in the ocean of the universal spirit of life, one resplendent wave more or one resplendent wave less? Simply, it is a wave that did not achieve self-realization and that is all.

Student: Such a wave is not going to enter the absolute, as you have just told me, because that is for Paramarthasatyas. Such a wave will live within the ocean of the universal spirit of life; and that's it.

Samael Aun Weor: It is clear that at the end of the mahamanvantara, such a wave enters with all the waves into the eternal, unconditioned abstract space of the unmanifested Sat. But it is also very true that when the dawn arrives, that wave comes out with all the waves; it is a bubble in the ocean that necessarily has to come out of the absolute. It could not stay in the absolute; only the self-realized waves of light can remain in the absolute, the logos that possess a christified, self-realized consciousness (which is ultimately the effort that all logos are making).

I want you to know that deep within each of us there is an inner logoi that aspires to consciousness. The logoi that manages to have consciousness becomes self-realized logos and all self-realized logos have the right to become Paramarthasatyas, that is, an inhabitant of the absolute, do you understand me?


Here he talks about the waves that enter into the Absolute without self-realization(after 3000 cycles), and then later they come out in a new Mahamanvantara with all other waves. He states that the only waves that are allowed to stay in the Absolute are the Paramarthasatyas and no one else.

the right to become Paramarthasatyas, that is, an inhabitant of the absolute


If the failed wave could stay forever in the Absolute and never leave, then it would become an inhabitant of the Absolute, a Paramarthasatya.
3 weeks ago
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#28554
Accepted Answer
The Abstract Absolute Space has three aspects, namely:
1: AIN
2: AIN SOPH
3: AIN SOPH AUR

"Samael Aun Weor: It is clear that at the end of the mahamanvantara, such a wave enters with all the waves into the eternal, unconditioned abstract space of the unmanifested Sat. But it is also very true that when the dawn arrives, that wave comes out (from the AIN SOPH) with all the waves; it is a bubble in the ocean that necessarily has to come out of the (second aspect of the) absolute (the AIN SOPH). It could not stay in the absolute (the AIN SOPH); only the self-realized waves of light (AUR) can remain in the absolute (or AIN SOPH AUR, the third aspect, which are) the logos that possess a christified, self-realized consciousness (which is ultimately the effort that all logos are making)."


Yes, all the Logoi through many Mahamanvantaras, are making the effort to penetrate into the AIN, the first aspect of the Absolute, and to become Paramarthasatyas. Many of them fail to enter the AIN, because they are entangled in Katancia (the karma of the worlds).

"A strange evolution that not even the gods or the human beings know about exists within the Ain Soph. Much beyond the Innermost we find the Logos or the Christ. Much beyond the ineffable Ancient of Days is the Ain Soph or the Absolute, whose exhalation is called cosmic day (mahamanvantara), and whose inhalation is called cosmic night (mahapralaya).

During the cosmic night, the universe is disintegrated within the Ain Soph; then the universe only exists in the mind of the Ain Soph and in the mind of its gods. The universe that exists in the mind of It and in the mind of Them is only objective within the abstract absolute space." - Samael Aun Weor


AUM TAT SAT TAN PAZ

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

1 month ago
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#28509
The monads who do not reach the level of Paramarthasatyas must continue returning into manifestation in order to achieve that level of mastery. One cannot achieve that kind of mastery merely by remaining in the Ain. Developing the mastery level of Paramarthasatyas requires conscious work within manifested nature.

"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis

4 weeks ago
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#28546
Yes, but the monad can't remain in the Ain if they are not Paramarthasatyas, right? Because they don't have the trinity completely crystallized, therefore in a new cosmic day they are spit out again, since they don't have a true center of gravity... they are just bubbles
4 weeks ago
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#28548
"Once, while vacationing in the Port of Acapulco, on the coast of the Pacific in Mexico, I had to enter into the yogic state of Nirvi-kalpa-samadhi.

I wanted to know something about those Monads that had already lost every cosmic opportunity after having passed through the three thousand rounds of the wheel of samsara.

What I saw on that occasion, far away from the body, affections and the mind, was really extraordinary...

I entered through the doors of an ineffable temple, while completely submerged within the “current of sound,” within the resplendent and immaculate ocean of the supreme Parabrahatman-Atman...

To interrogate, inquire, and investigate was not necessary. I could vividly experience in the whole presence of my Being the tremendous reality of such sublime Monads. They are beyond good and evil.

They are very little, innocent, tiny creatures, sparks of divinity, yet without Self-realization; happy beings, but without mastery.

Those noble creatures delectably floated within the immaculate whiteness of the Great Ocean. They were either entering into the temple or departing from it. They were praying and prostrating themselves before the Buddhas, before the holy gods, before the mahatmas.

Unquestionably, such divine Monads look at the masters in the same way that ants look at humans.

For these types of Monads without mastery, the Agnishvattas, the Buddhas of Compassion, or the hierophants are like something they cannot understand, like strange beings — enigmatic and terribly divine...

These cited Monads obey the holy gods and serve them with infinite humbleness within the sanctas or churches of life free in its movement (the Absolute).

The joy of these Monads is very well earned, since the Essence of each one of them turned three thousand times in the wheel of samsara and knew the horrors of the abyss."

Excerpts from The Three Mountains by Samael Aun Weor

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

4 weeks ago
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#28549
Yeah, I know, but why does he say:

Samael Aun Weor: It is clear that at the end of the mahamanvantara, such a wave enters with all the waves into the eternal, unconditioned abstract space of the unmanifested Sat. But it is also very true that when the dawn arrives, that wave comes out with all the waves; it is a bubble in the ocean that necessarily has to come out of the absolute. It could not stay in the absolute; only the self-realized waves of light can remain in the absolute, the logos that possess a christified, self-realized consciousness (which is ultimately the effort that all logos are making).


My guesses are:

1- Error in the translation of the lecture by Samael Aun Weor;
2- Samael expressed himself wrongly;
3- He had different experiences later and changed his mind;
4- Maybe he still means the same thing, but the cycles are renewed after a new mahamanvantara(that lasts trillions of years according to him);
etc.

Maybe the freedom those essences earn only lasts until the dawn of the new mahamanvantara. Who knows. I don't know - I'm just a intellectual scoundrel pseudo-occultist humbly discussing what I read from his teachings and what I vaguely feel intuitively, since I have no memories of being awake during the dawn of a new mahamanvantara to truly know
3 weeks ago
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#28554
Accepted Answer
The Abstract Absolute Space has three aspects, namely:
1: AIN
2: AIN SOPH
3: AIN SOPH AUR

"Samael Aun Weor: It is clear that at the end of the mahamanvantara, such a wave enters with all the waves into the eternal, unconditioned abstract space of the unmanifested Sat. But it is also very true that when the dawn arrives, that wave comes out (from the AIN SOPH) with all the waves; it is a bubble in the ocean that necessarily has to come out of the (second aspect of the) absolute (the AIN SOPH). It could not stay in the absolute (the AIN SOPH); only the self-realized waves of light (AUR) can remain in the absolute (or AIN SOPH AUR, the third aspect, which are) the logos that possess a christified, self-realized consciousness (which is ultimately the effort that all logos are making)."


Yes, all the Logoi through many Mahamanvantaras, are making the effort to penetrate into the AIN, the first aspect of the Absolute, and to become Paramarthasatyas. Many of them fail to enter the AIN, because they are entangled in Katancia (the karma of the worlds).

"A strange evolution that not even the gods or the human beings know about exists within the Ain Soph. Much beyond the Innermost we find the Logos or the Christ. Much beyond the ineffable Ancient of Days is the Ain Soph or the Absolute, whose exhalation is called cosmic day (mahamanvantara), and whose inhalation is called cosmic night (mahapralaya).

During the cosmic night, the universe is disintegrated within the Ain Soph; then the universe only exists in the mind of the Ain Soph and in the mind of its gods. The universe that exists in the mind of It and in the mind of Them is only objective within the abstract absolute space." - Samael Aun Weor


AUM TAT SAT TAN PAZ

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 weeks ago
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#28561
Paz Inverencial.
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