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I've done some work with shamans and learned about soul loss,

after one of my soul retrievals my voice has changed, Im 39 years old so it didn't just break! but if you can lose parts of your soul through trauma, if somebody intentionally puts you through trauma aren't they stealing a part of your soul?

what about after death? I've started to think about this recently, is it possible to steal someones soul as they are dying or have just died? is there any way to protect ourself from that?

im not suicidal i don't need a number to call thank you

please consider the question before you respond and thanks
5 months ago
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No one else can retrieve your soul for you from the infernal worlds. Not even an awakened master of the white lodge can liberate your consciousness (by destroying your egos), since the purpose of spiritual initiation is self-mastery, not mastery over another. No initiate has the power to eliminate another person’s defects, since this is the only way for one to retrieve his or her soul.

There is a term for people in our studies who exert control over another person. We call them black magicians. Such entities can steal our energy and coerce us to follow their will, which is in turn strengthening our own cage. Black magic is an exchange. By giving others our energy, we in turn fortify our own ego and further enslave our minds to psychological and external influences.

Also, people refer to soul loss without comprehending how and why. No one possesses their soul until they have created it through initiation, particularly the fifth relating to the causal body. The soul can only be retrieved upon reaching this Fifth Initiation of Fire, and only through one’s own works.

As for whether or not any entity can influence you after death, that depends on your level of being. Is one working to eliminate ego and awaken consciousness? Or does one pursue the fortification of lust and attachments before going to the grave? We always follow the trajectory of our own actions, whether it be superior (conscious) or inferior (egotistical). In the meantime, we can protect our spirituality through proven methods.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

5 months ago
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#27061
Accepted Answer
No one else can retrieve your soul for you from the infernal worlds. Not even an awakened master of the white lodge can liberate your consciousness (by destroying your egos), since the purpose of spiritual initiation is self-mastery, not mastery over another. No initiate has the power to eliminate another person’s defects, since this is the only way for one to retrieve his or her soul.

There is a term for people in our studies who exert control over another person. We call them black magicians. Such entities can steal our energy and coerce us to follow their will, which is in turn strengthening our own cage. Black magic is an exchange. By giving others our energy, we in turn fortify our own ego and further enslave our minds to psychological and external influences.

Also, people refer to soul loss without comprehending how and why. No one possesses their soul until they have created it through initiation, particularly the fifth relating to the causal body. The soul can only be retrieved upon reaching this Fifth Initiation of Fire, and only through one’s own works.

As for whether or not any entity can influence you after death, that depends on your level of being. Is one working to eliminate ego and awaken consciousness? Or does one pursue the fortification of lust and attachments before going to the grave? We always follow the trajectory of our own actions, whether it be superior (conscious) or inferior (egotistical). In the meantime, we can protect our spirituality through proven methods.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

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