Kind Regards Everyone,
I pray that God is keeping you all happy, joyful, and at peace. There seems to be some dilemma in editing Beelzebub's Wikipedia page. It is just best explained if we read what went on when I tried to edit the page. A few days ago, noticing that there is no information on Beelzebub's Wikipedia page regarding his defecting from Hell, so under the part of the page titled "Gnostic Tradition," which has basically no useful information I posted:
The Revolution of Beelzebub tells the incredible story of Samael Aun Weor, initiator of the Modern Gnostic Movement, and his efforts to convert the demon Beelzebub. Beginning in the ancient past, this incredible journey takes us from the cradle of humanity, Arcadia, the ancient golden age, through the rise and fall of races and civilizations. We learn how the ancient prince Beelzebub was tempted into the path of pleasures and vices, and how he gradually degenerated to eventually become a terrible demon with millions of disciples. Along the way, we see the differences between the white and black paths: their ethics, rituals, magic, initiations, powers, and results, all of which were first revealed to the public in this book.
Then, during World War Two, a time when demonic forces were threatening to overrun the world, one man disrupted their plans by helping one of their greatest leaders to defect: Beelzebub. It was an unprecedented act of love, and an inspiration, for if even a demon from the depths of hell can be saved, there is hope for the rest of us, provided we are willing to do our part.
Our hope for liberation comes in the form of practical steps, the same steps taken by Beelzebub when he left the Black Lodge, which are explained in detail in this book. Through radical internal change, a psychological and spiritual revolution, even a demon can be converted into an angel.
“My intentions were in the long run to perform the greatest task in the cosmos, which was to take Beelzebub out of the Black Lodge and transform him into a disciple of the White Lodge.” —Samael Aun Weor
And under the posting part of Wikipedia that asks the reason for editing the page, I wrote:
These changes are of immense importance because they reveal the reality between Heaven and Hell. Samael Aun Weor, the initiator of the Modern Gnostic Movement, guided Beelzebub, the previous main link of Hell or the "Black Lodge" as the description says, to becoming the first repented demon. Many other demons followed his example. Hopefully, someone may read this Beelzebub Wikipedia page and do the same. The description is almost verbatim from the summary on the back of the book cited. Be well!
It got posted immediately and successfully, yet a few days later I received and responded to these messages from Wikipedia:
Your post on on IP's talk page re your edit to Beelzebub
You posted [1] a question about the undo of your edit to Beelzebub on an IP's talk page. I have removed the post since that is not the correct place for it (you made the edit with this named account) and you repeated the copyright violation.
Your edit was undone by user:Nthep here [2] as promotional, which it certainly was. Wikipedia is not here to promote the book, and we neutral language. More seriously, you copied the content, in violation of copyright rules. See WP:COPYVIO. As you put it on the IP's page The description is almost verbatim from the summary on the back of the book cited.
And who is the "we" you mention on the IP's page? If you could please let me know what we need to do from regarding getting the most correct and current description of Beelzebub, we would appreciate it. User accounts may not be shared, and it appears that you have some connection to this book or published, and thus have a conflict of interest. Please read and follow WP:COI. Meters (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank You Very Much
Dear Wikipedia,
Thank you for getting back to me. It all makes a lot of sense now. I plan to go through the book again and accumulate enough information without breaking any rules.
Afterward, I will submit the summary of my possible addition to the page about 'Beelzebub' to see if it is appropriate. It is all actually a powerful book, and I look forward to getting the most our of the book so that others can benefit from it.
By the way, when I used the term, "we" I was referring to Beelzebub and myself. That is all.
Something did feel a little wrong about what I posted, although I have never posted anything before, so thank you kindly for bringing it to my attention. I understand. Have a great day!
Sincerely, Adam
So, you're saying that you have no connection to the book, the writer or the publisher? And I would certainly hope that "Something did feel a little wrong about what I posted" when you made a virtually verbatim copy of promotional material. Meters (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I doubt very much that any version of most of that material is going to be acceptable on Wikipedia. Meters (talk) 01:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
This is all a lot to read and you Instructors are not necessarily internet attorneys that can sort this out nor tell me what to do, yet if you could provide some guidance on how to explain the reality of Beelzebub on his Wikipedia page, we would appreciate it. Beelzebub has helped me a lot, although I am mostly unaware of it, yet I feel it in my heart. I would just like to slightly repay the favor. He does not deserve to have so much evil associated with him.
Anyway, thank you all for everything. Bests!
Sincerely,
Adam
I pray that God is keeping you all happy, joyful, and at peace. There seems to be some dilemma in editing Beelzebub's Wikipedia page. It is just best explained if we read what went on when I tried to edit the page. A few days ago, noticing that there is no information on Beelzebub's Wikipedia page regarding his defecting from Hell, so under the part of the page titled "Gnostic Tradition," which has basically no useful information I posted:
The Revolution of Beelzebub tells the incredible story of Samael Aun Weor, initiator of the Modern Gnostic Movement, and his efforts to convert the demon Beelzebub. Beginning in the ancient past, this incredible journey takes us from the cradle of humanity, Arcadia, the ancient golden age, through the rise and fall of races and civilizations. We learn how the ancient prince Beelzebub was tempted into the path of pleasures and vices, and how he gradually degenerated to eventually become a terrible demon with millions of disciples. Along the way, we see the differences between the white and black paths: their ethics, rituals, magic, initiations, powers, and results, all of which were first revealed to the public in this book.
Then, during World War Two, a time when demonic forces were threatening to overrun the world, one man disrupted their plans by helping one of their greatest leaders to defect: Beelzebub. It was an unprecedented act of love, and an inspiration, for if even a demon from the depths of hell can be saved, there is hope for the rest of us, provided we are willing to do our part.
Our hope for liberation comes in the form of practical steps, the same steps taken by Beelzebub when he left the Black Lodge, which are explained in detail in this book. Through radical internal change, a psychological and spiritual revolution, even a demon can be converted into an angel.
“My intentions were in the long run to perform the greatest task in the cosmos, which was to take Beelzebub out of the Black Lodge and transform him into a disciple of the White Lodge.” —Samael Aun Weor
And under the posting part of Wikipedia that asks the reason for editing the page, I wrote:
These changes are of immense importance because they reveal the reality between Heaven and Hell. Samael Aun Weor, the initiator of the Modern Gnostic Movement, guided Beelzebub, the previous main link of Hell or the "Black Lodge" as the description says, to becoming the first repented demon. Many other demons followed his example. Hopefully, someone may read this Beelzebub Wikipedia page and do the same. The description is almost verbatim from the summary on the back of the book cited. Be well!
It got posted immediately and successfully, yet a few days later I received and responded to these messages from Wikipedia:
Your post on on IP's talk page re your edit to Beelzebub
You posted [1] a question about the undo of your edit to Beelzebub on an IP's talk page. I have removed the post since that is not the correct place for it (you made the edit with this named account) and you repeated the copyright violation.
Your edit was undone by user:Nthep here [2] as promotional, which it certainly was. Wikipedia is not here to promote the book, and we neutral language. More seriously, you copied the content, in violation of copyright rules. See WP:COPYVIO. As you put it on the IP's page The description is almost verbatim from the summary on the back of the book cited.
And who is the "we" you mention on the IP's page? If you could please let me know what we need to do from regarding getting the most correct and current description of Beelzebub, we would appreciate it. User accounts may not be shared, and it appears that you have some connection to this book or published, and thus have a conflict of interest. Please read and follow WP:COI. Meters (talk) 21:46, 10 March 2021 (UTC)
Thank You Very Much
Dear Wikipedia,
Thank you for getting back to me. It all makes a lot of sense now. I plan to go through the book again and accumulate enough information without breaking any rules.
Afterward, I will submit the summary of my possible addition to the page about 'Beelzebub' to see if it is appropriate. It is all actually a powerful book, and I look forward to getting the most our of the book so that others can benefit from it.
By the way, when I used the term, "we" I was referring to Beelzebub and myself. That is all.
Something did feel a little wrong about what I posted, although I have never posted anything before, so thank you kindly for bringing it to my attention. I understand. Have a great day!
Sincerely, Adam
So, you're saying that you have no connection to the book, the writer or the publisher? And I would certainly hope that "Something did feel a little wrong about what I posted" when you made a virtually verbatim copy of promotional material. Meters (talk) 01:54, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
I doubt very much that any version of most of that material is going to be acceptable on Wikipedia. Meters (talk) 01:57, 11 March 2021 (UTC)
This is all a lot to read and you Instructors are not necessarily internet attorneys that can sort this out nor tell me what to do, yet if you could provide some guidance on how to explain the reality of Beelzebub on his Wikipedia page, we would appreciate it. Beelzebub has helped me a lot, although I am mostly unaware of it, yet I feel it in my heart. I would just like to slightly repay the favor. He does not deserve to have so much evil associated with him.
Anyway, thank you all for everything. Bests!
Sincerely,
Adam
Accepted Answer
If it is your wish to edit this wikipedia page, you have to write using unbiased language, like text in an encyclopedia.
For example:
According to the teachings of the Modern Gnostic Movement of Samael Aun Weor, Beelzebub was a prince of demons who rebelled against the Black Lodge during World War II and was converted by Aun Weor to the White Lodge. (Then include a citation to the book The Revolution of Beelzebub in the footnotes, without needing to specifically name it in the article.)
That might be acceptable, although I doubt many moderators of wikipedia would give credence to these teachings.
For example:
According to the teachings of the Modern Gnostic Movement of Samael Aun Weor, Beelzebub was a prince of demons who rebelled against the Black Lodge during World War II and was converted by Aun Weor to the White Lodge. (Then include a citation to the book The Revolution of Beelzebub in the footnotes, without needing to specifically name it in the article.)
That might be acceptable, although I doubt many moderators of wikipedia would give credence to these teachings.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
Accepted Answer
If it is your wish to edit this wikipedia page, you have to write using unbiased language, like text in an encyclopedia.
For example:
According to the teachings of the Modern Gnostic Movement of Samael Aun Weor, Beelzebub was a prince of demons who rebelled against the Black Lodge during World War II and was converted by Aun Weor to the White Lodge. (Then include a citation to the book The Revolution of Beelzebub in the footnotes, without needing to specifically name it in the article.)
That might be acceptable, although I doubt many moderators of wikipedia would give credence to these teachings.
For example:
According to the teachings of the Modern Gnostic Movement of Samael Aun Weor, Beelzebub was a prince of demons who rebelled against the Black Lodge during World War II and was converted by Aun Weor to the White Lodge. (Then include a citation to the book The Revolution of Beelzebub in the footnotes, without needing to specifically name it in the article.)
That might be acceptable, although I doubt many moderators of wikipedia would give credence to these teachings.
"If thou canst not make thine own self what thou desireth, how shalt thou be able to fashion another to thine own liking. We are ready to see others made perfect, and yet we do not amend our own shortcomings."
—Thomas à Kempis
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