Wednesday, 13 January 2021
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Hi, I was listening to the lecture "Christic vs Demonic Initiation" (https://glorian.org/learn/courses-and-lectures/beginning-here-and-now/christic-and-demonic-initiation) and had a question regarding whether or not it is possible for someone who has made the mistake of trying to combine their spiritual longing with their sexual desires (as I understand its the root for the demonic initiation mentioned) to sucessfully complete the Christic initiation. In the lecture he mentions "hasnamussen" as someone who has developed through Christic initiation then falls and redevelops thus having 2 polarities. Is this something that can happen in the inverse? I have heard various other authors mention something along the lines of an answer to my question such as Dion Fortune saying he who develops to early has to "return to the checkpoint (Malkuth) and learn the lessons of mundane exsistance again" (Mystical Qaballah) or Eliphas Levi who talks of the initiate who over indulges in his desires developing a sort of astral film and must allow it to burn off in the fire (Doctrine and Ritual of High Magic). Regarding the Dion Fortune example would that be the same as the 4 Ordeals Mentioned In the aforementioned lecture? Sorry if this seems a little scattered and all over the place, I'm really hoping someone could help me with a few resources or some level of understanding of a situation like this. I am currently reading The Revolution of Beelzebub by Master Samael Aun Weor in hopes of trying to find answers to these questions.

Thank you for your time and any potential response.
1 year ago
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Shantideva states in The Way of the Bodhisattva how combining bodhichitta with desire results in terrible downfalls. Mystical fornication is exceptionally dangerous, since lust becomes empowered through the loss of compassion.

There are many demons, like Beelzebub, who, never having entered the path of Christic initiation, learned to eliminate their negative polarity without having first developed a solar, permanent center of gravity or divine polarity (mastery).

Everyone who enters solar initiation is submitted to the four ordeals, regardless of their prior development or lack thereof.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

1 year ago
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#23726
Accepted Answer
Shantideva states in The Way of the Bodhisattva how combining bodhichitta with desire results in terrible downfalls. Mystical fornication is exceptionally dangerous, since lust becomes empowered through the loss of compassion.

There are many demons, like Beelzebub, who, never having entered the path of Christic initiation, learned to eliminate their negative polarity without having first developed a solar, permanent center of gravity or divine polarity (mastery).

Everyone who enters solar initiation is submitted to the four ordeals, regardless of their prior development or lack thereof.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

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