Monday, 20 April 2020
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I'm not very familiar with Dantes inferno, I do know he explored klipoth, was that his choice or did he have to descend first before ascending. Why was he exploring klipoth and is it safe for us to experience these realms without trapping our consciousness there or descending sephiroth.

Personally I believe psychedelics serve an important purpose in lifting our consciousness even if our visions occur in hell. They can take an atheist and remove him from his vessel or help him investigate his mind. I also believe that people can reach higher sephiroth via psychedelic use however this is extremely rare and requires much internal discipline.

I believe a huge portion of your students were iniated via psychedelics, they did a survey on American Buddhist in the 80s or 90s, and it turned out over 90% of the practicing students claimed that psychedelics is what iniated their spiritual seeking, not that psychedelics are spiritual awakening nor did they recommend them.

I know from personal experience i would still be agnostic if it were not for DMT. I believe the most growth I received in my life was when I was using them, yes majority of my experiences were hallucinations, but occasionally we get lucky and are alighned for something truthful, healing, or divine, when it occurs you know it. However most pyschdellic users have very little control of their minds and are usually along for wherever the mind takes them, it can be dangerous, I understand that, but if we are only observing, is it safe for us to explore, even if we are entering our lower realms.

Also what is the opinion of Alex Grey, he has an immaculate imagination, creates beautiful art, however much of his visions occur under pyschdellic influence, but not always. I look at his art and within me i feel he receives visions from god, not fantasies of his negative imagination. I'm confident in this since he has visions that have captured the future. Please view his art if you're not familiar, it really is one of a kind, I don't believe the psychedelics are causing him to journey klipoth, unless his desire is too be a prideful famous artist, but we would never know what's happening within him.

I don't agree with Samuel 100%, nor should we unless we experience ourselves. There's only a few things that make me hesitant on Samuels perspective, his disapproval of psychedelics is one of them. Majority of psychedelics experiences occur in klipoth, but only because majority of users are grounded to malkuth and gravitate towards klipoth, however those who have control of their minds can learn to shed the ego and ascend with psychedelics help.

So really I'm looking for more psychedelics opinions even though this has been regurgitated countless times and whether it's beneficial to explore lower realms since we users with weak control on the mind will often get tossed wherever the mind goes.
2 years ago
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You can believe whatever you want about psychedelics. We are not here to change your mind. If you wish to continue using drugs, that is your choice. Our response will always be the same: psychedelics and recreational drugs condition the consciousness in hell, so that it remains awakened and trapped there. Ingesting psychedelics will keep you identified and trapped in the lower realms. Even if some people find gnosis while they are experimenting with drugs, that does not justify their use. What happens is that divinity is offering a means of escaping addiction, vice, and degeneration, i.e. through the teachings, not because DMT or drugs led the way. We teach how to liberate consciousness from these lower levels, not how to increase one's attachment to subjective and infernal states of being--so we will never advocate the use of intoxicants.

The art of Alex Grey is the fatality of Nahemah: fatal beauty. The perceptions of his art are an exact reflection of awakening in the ego. It is 100% negative. How do I know? I have awakened in evil before, and remember that state. I had to fight a lot to escape those inferior levels of being and do not recommend worshiping that state of mind or any art that reflects such tendencies.

As for using free, objective consciousness to explore the hell realms, this can be very useful. In an objective state, we can see the immense suffering of these realms and cultivate compassion for those who are hypnotized by these subjective states. However, many of us on this planet have the majority of consciousness in hell realms, and we see them through the filters of our attachments and desires, not as they truly are.

If we wish to escape hell, you need to awaken the free consciousness, not the consciousness trapped in the ego. Psychedelics fortify the egotistical consciousness and keep it enslaved to desire, keep it imprisoned. Unconditioned consciousness, free from desire, is the only way to free the rest of the consciousness that is caged. A prisoner cannot free anyone else if he or she is trapped in their own cell. You have to escape the cell first to free others. The same with the consciousness.

The philosophy and mysticism of psychedelics hypnotizes many people. This type of mentality is evident in drug addicts who, while deteriorating and filled with incredible suffering, continue to defend their addiction despite the evidence around them, the affliction and pain of their loved ones, socio-economic problems, etc.

These types of questions and beliefs validate Samael Aun Weor's statement, "Drug addicts transform their vice into a religion."

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

2 years ago
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#21743
Accepted Answer
You can believe whatever you want about psychedelics. We are not here to change your mind. If you wish to continue using drugs, that is your choice. Our response will always be the same: psychedelics and recreational drugs condition the consciousness in hell, so that it remains awakened and trapped there. Ingesting psychedelics will keep you identified and trapped in the lower realms. Even if some people find gnosis while they are experimenting with drugs, that does not justify their use. What happens is that divinity is offering a means of escaping addiction, vice, and degeneration, i.e. through the teachings, not because DMT or drugs led the way. We teach how to liberate consciousness from these lower levels, not how to increase one's attachment to subjective and infernal states of being--so we will never advocate the use of intoxicants.

The art of Alex Grey is the fatality of Nahemah: fatal beauty. The perceptions of his art are an exact reflection of awakening in the ego. It is 100% negative. How do I know? I have awakened in evil before, and remember that state. I had to fight a lot to escape those inferior levels of being and do not recommend worshiping that state of mind or any art that reflects such tendencies.

As for using free, objective consciousness to explore the hell realms, this can be very useful. In an objective state, we can see the immense suffering of these realms and cultivate compassion for those who are hypnotized by these subjective states. However, many of us on this planet have the majority of consciousness in hell realms, and we see them through the filters of our attachments and desires, not as they truly are.

If we wish to escape hell, you need to awaken the free consciousness, not the consciousness trapped in the ego. Psychedelics fortify the egotistical consciousness and keep it enslaved to desire, keep it imprisoned. Unconditioned consciousness, free from desire, is the only way to free the rest of the consciousness that is caged. A prisoner cannot free anyone else if he or she is trapped in their own cell. You have to escape the cell first to free others. The same with the consciousness.

The philosophy and mysticism of psychedelics hypnotizes many people. This type of mentality is evident in drug addicts who, while deteriorating and filled with incredible suffering, continue to defend their addiction despite the evidence around them, the affliction and pain of their loved ones, socio-economic problems, etc.

These types of questions and beliefs validate Samael Aun Weor's statement, "Drug addicts transform their vice into a religion."

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

Thank you for this response, Benedictus.

It sheds much light on what was truly occurring during the drug use of my younger years.

Like so much information on this site, it is not neccesarily what people *want* to hear, but to me, it is undeniable that it feels correct.
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