The concept that God is who gives and take's; is important in these part of the question, "everything we have is because of God's grace, and let us not forget what Jesus said, in Mathew 6:26-34
26 "Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one [a]cubit to his [b]stature?
28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not [c]arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble".
And in that we should rely on our God, to provide, what we need in times of trouble, because possession's will not guarantee happiness, or how much schooling one has attained, "what is important in life, is to do what God wants", that is to obey God and follow all he's commandments as they are set out, one by one. Because these is what Jesus Christ supplicated for in times of despair and fear, he said, "dear lord, thy will be done", indeed life is hard and really painful, but that is the reality we find ourselves in, therefore; one must continue to live and do what is good; "the life one has is based on there Karma, there on deeds/action's, what you plant so shall you reap" so then what one has to do, is do the Dharma(right action) to escape suffering, and enter heaven at the end of our life's, since heaven or liberation is the ultimate prize, for any saint. Radical change is what is important, and these is what Samael Aun Weor said:
"In life, the only thing of importance is a radical, total, and definitive change. The rest, frankly, is of no importance at all. - The Great Rebellion
And these is extremely true, only if one truly comprehends the meaning's of those statements. Ofcourse the reality is one needs a job in order to survive and a form of schooling in order to get into a proffesion/job that will supply, at most want one need's, but the reality is these things will only last as long as one is alive, "when one dies, then what?, You can't take all that with you into the grave, so that is what I think that statement is referring to, that is seek change, be holy, and do what God wants, since in the end, eternal life is a guarantee. So my question is, it is a reality that all initiate's go through "a lot of pain in life" the path is not easy, the path is you're life, one can not be tempted; and then let the temptation overcome him, Satan tempt's all the time, so an initiate is alway's resisting Satan but doing what God wants, so these pain is not physical pain, am referring to spiritual pain or in reality the sufferings in one's life. So my question is, what are the consequences of an initiate who is on the path of the Major Mysterie's, "since clearly, that individual is clearly practicing sexual magic with a spouse", and let's say, they get into a situation in life, (and God is tempting them) so they get into a situation, and let us say; "a true saint" unwillingly commit's the error of reaching the orgasm, "in the sexual act" or they end up reaching ejaculation, where they end up spilling there semen, unwillingly, not intentional, but they clearly spilled there semen or reached the state of the orgasm, while on the path of the Major Mysterie's, "how would God judge them, in these case", and how much Karma: would they have to endure?.
26 "Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one [a]cubit to his [b]stature?
28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not [c]arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?
31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble".
And in that we should rely on our God, to provide, what we need in times of trouble, because possession's will not guarantee happiness, or how much schooling one has attained, "what is important in life, is to do what God wants", that is to obey God and follow all he's commandments as they are set out, one by one. Because these is what Jesus Christ supplicated for in times of despair and fear, he said, "dear lord, thy will be done", indeed life is hard and really painful, but that is the reality we find ourselves in, therefore; one must continue to live and do what is good; "the life one has is based on there Karma, there on deeds/action's, what you plant so shall you reap" so then what one has to do, is do the Dharma(right action) to escape suffering, and enter heaven at the end of our life's, since heaven or liberation is the ultimate prize, for any saint. Radical change is what is important, and these is what Samael Aun Weor said:
"In life, the only thing of importance is a radical, total, and definitive change. The rest, frankly, is of no importance at all. - The Great Rebellion
And these is extremely true, only if one truly comprehends the meaning's of those statements. Ofcourse the reality is one needs a job in order to survive and a form of schooling in order to get into a proffesion/job that will supply, at most want one need's, but the reality is these things will only last as long as one is alive, "when one dies, then what?, You can't take all that with you into the grave, so that is what I think that statement is referring to, that is seek change, be holy, and do what God wants, since in the end, eternal life is a guarantee. So my question is, it is a reality that all initiate's go through "a lot of pain in life" the path is not easy, the path is you're life, one can not be tempted; and then let the temptation overcome him, Satan tempt's all the time, so an initiate is alway's resisting Satan but doing what God wants, so these pain is not physical pain, am referring to spiritual pain or in reality the sufferings in one's life. So my question is, what are the consequences of an initiate who is on the path of the Major Mysterie's, "since clearly, that individual is clearly practicing sexual magic with a spouse", and let's say, they get into a situation in life, (and God is tempting them) so they get into a situation, and let us say; "a true saint" unwillingly commit's the error of reaching the orgasm, "in the sexual act" or they end up reaching ejaculation, where they end up spilling there semen, unwillingly, not intentional, but they clearly spilled there semen or reached the state of the orgasm, while on the path of the Major Mysterie's, "how would God judge them, in these case", and how much Karma: would they have to endure?.
Accepted Answer
Initiates obviously have greater responsibility due to hierarchy.
The greater the intention in the sexual act, the greater the fall might be. It depends how much energy one invests in a downfall.
Many initiates of minor mysteries fall easily since they are beginners. But Masters of Major Mysteries obviously have less to no "accidents," since if they are really serious about conserving and transmuting their sexual energy, they do not get anywhere near the point of having a seminal emission.
The greater the intention in the sexual act, the greater the fall might be. It depends how much energy one invests in a downfall.
Many initiates of minor mysteries fall easily since they are beginners. But Masters of Major Mysteries obviously have less to no "accidents," since if they are really serious about conserving and transmuting their sexual energy, they do not get anywhere near the point of having a seminal emission.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Accepted Answer
Initiates obviously have greater responsibility due to hierarchy.
The greater the intention in the sexual act, the greater the fall might be. It depends how much energy one invests in a downfall.
Many initiates of minor mysteries fall easily since they are beginners. But Masters of Major Mysteries obviously have less to no "accidents," since if they are really serious about conserving and transmuting their sexual energy, they do not get anywhere near the point of having a seminal emission.
The greater the intention in the sexual act, the greater the fall might be. It depends how much energy one invests in a downfall.
Many initiates of minor mysteries fall easily since they are beginners. But Masters of Major Mysteries obviously have less to no "accidents," since if they are really serious about conserving and transmuting their sexual energy, they do not get anywhere near the point of having a seminal emission.
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Now, regarding the level of initiation and the danger's: of falling (reaching the orgasm/reaching ejaculation), I meant to say in times when, let us take for instance, (a female initiate, who is on the path; "encounter's a (serial rapist), and he forcefully "rapes her" against her will, and then ends up, reaching the (orgasm), "how would God, react to that", and how much Karma, would she have against the God's and how would she try to recover, all, she had lost, "in the orgasm". And for a male initiate, let's say: "they're sent into prison, and one of the cell-mates, forcefully attacks them, (beats them); and they somehow against there will, (rape them), and the male initiate, in that aggression, "ends up not only reaching the orgasm", but ends up also spilling; the content of semen, how would, that be. Would God, hold the sin against them, for not only reaching the orgasm in a female, but for the male since he would not only reach the orgasm but would also reach ejaculation (spill the content of semen)?.
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