So I was wondering, let us say one is progressing very good on the path of self-realization: one has acquired the basic skills and the basic training needed to gain the ultimate liberation. But on the other hand, let us say the aspirant has not yet mastered the technique of meditation, how far can the aspirant, on the path get?, In means of elimination of the ego, we know that one needs a women to enter the initiation's of major mysterie's, but how much masterly in the practice of meditation does one need to master in order to ascend on the path of the initiate's?.