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Hello,
From the begining I thought there are seven major initiations (seven great Initiations of Major Mysteries) and same is stated here and some other sources: https://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/esoteric-medicine-and-practical-magic/1119-egypt-elemental.html.
Yet for the first time I see mentioning of eight (8) great Initiations of Major Mysteries: https://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/esoteric-medicine-and-practical-magic/1094-the-path-of-initiation.html
Is it a typo or am I not comprehending something?
Thanks.
3 years ago
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#19784
Accepted Answer
So if I understood correctly after fifth great initiation, if you did not choose direct path there are two more great initiations for the Innermost to achieve?


Correct, that buddha finishes his fifth, sixth and seventh initiations of fire in Nirvana.

"And if you chose direct path, the initiation of Tiphereth (first Venustic initiations) begins?"


Yes, it begins in Malkuth, as it is described in John as follows:

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses (Tiphereth), but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (Chokmah).” - John 1: 14-17

And after that another seven Venustic initiations await, until you finish the mountain with eighth initiation?


Yes, after Jesus Christ, as light, absorbs Malkuth, he contiues absorbing the Bodhisattva through the spinal medulla of Yesod, Hod, Netzach, Tiphereth, Geburah, Chesed and returns to Binah from where he was born, this, in order to posteriorly help the alchemist in the annihilation of his ego in the 49 levels of the Being. This is the end of the first mountain

Or is it overall eight Venustic initiations (5 great initiations + initiation of Tiphereth and the rest two that belong to Innermost after which you finish First Mountain), that is those 5 great initiations you completed before become Venustic?


Tiphereth, the Human Soul, becomes Bodisattva in the Initiation of Tiphereth, which is the fifth great initiation for those who previously chose the direct path in the 31st vertebrae of the causal body. The sixth and seventh initiations of fire are already attained in the fallen bodhisattvas.

Those alchemists who chose the direct path for the first time, enter into the mysteries of fire of the sixth and seventh initiations according to their alchemical work and thereafter continue with the 8 initiations of light or Venustic and finish the first mountain.

Remember, in Sanskrit, Bodhi means perfect knowledge or wisdom and Sattva means pure, divine, and spiritual, therefore, the Bodhisattva is Christ, Chokmah, united to Tiphereth, the human soul in the causal body. If Christ is not incarnated, in the human soul, that master is not a bodhisattva but a buddha pratieka, and that is all.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 years ago
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#19641
There are seven great initiations of major mysteries for the humans that enter the spiral path.

There are eight great initiations of major mysteries for the super-humans that enter the direct path.

The eight is related with the sephirah Binah, the Third Logos of the Three Logoi, namely, Kether, Chokmah and Binah, which are representing in the Duality or letters Iod and Hei of Jah, in the sephirah Daath.

In the Venustic Initiation of the first mountain, Jah, becomes the father mother of Chokmah, the Christ. Thus Iod-Hei, Jah, works in the throat of the super-human and as Vav-Hei, Phallus-Uterus in the genitalia of the superhuman and their spouse in Yesod.

After the first mountain, the super-human has to resurrect into the nine heavens of Yetzirah or second mountain, after having died in the nine spheres of Klipoth of Yetzirah; and thus resurrecting in Binah, in the world of Briah, after having qualified the eight initiations of the first mountain.

So, there are nine resurrections into the super-human level in the second mountain or Enneagram. Some esotericists call these nine resurrections of the Enneagram in the world of Yetzirah, nine initiations into the super-human level. Yet, Master Samael Aun Weor explains that the eight initiations pertain only to the first mountain and resurrection to the second mountain; only for those who enter the direct path.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 years ago
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#19643
That is interesting. Never read that information in that way.
I always thought there are seven intitiations of Major Mysteries (related to seven chakras; first 5 you complete yourself as a soul and the rest 2 achieves Innermost himself) and eight Venustic initiations :o
3 years ago
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#19649
"The seven chakras of the Astral body, the endocrine glands and their ethereal and mental correspondences, are only the purely animal exponents of the seven suns of the Innermost. These seven suns of the innermost reside in his Diamond Soul.

So, when we say that the Kundalini opens the seven churches under the direction of the Innermost, we are talking about the christification of the Diamond Soul, who has to light its seven suns and become totally christified in order to merge with her Innermost.

Brahma's eye has the figure of a bright white star that the master wears on his divine forehead. Brahma's ear is a yellow white sun that the master carries in his creative larynx. Brahma's heart shines with the colors white and divine blue, in the heart of the master. And in the navel of Brahma the solar fire shines, and finally, the other three centers of Brahma shine like ineffable suns.

The Innermost has its seven churches in his Diamond Soul, and the astral chakras are only its animal exponents; something like the shadow of the seven suns of the Innermost.

We Gnostics are not interested in the lower psychism or the astral chakras of the animal soul, we are only interested in the Diamond Soul and the Innermost. We are only interested in the superlative powers of our Consciousness; we must put an end to the animal soul process, and heroically extract the psychic extracts from our lower bodies in order to assimilate those psychic extracts within our Diamond Soul and self-realize each one of us as a Brahmin, as a Dhyan-Chohans, as a Solar Pitri.

The Diamond Soul is the Buddhic or intuitional body, it is the body of the spirit of life, it is the soul-spirit, it is Buddhi, the superlative Consciousness of the Being, and although the astral chakras rotate and shine, they are nothing but simple and miserable spark plugs when comparing them with the ineffable glow of the seven churches that the Innermost has located in its Diamond Soul. Blessed is the one who becomes liberated from the bodies of sin!" - Samael Aun Weor

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 years ago
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#19652
Can it be that there was some typos in older editions of Samael Aun Weor books?
Because until now I had in my mind that there are seven great initiations. I have never seen any mention of more (except Venustic ones).
Those books were published by "Timeless Gnostic Wisdom" I believe (or it was a series of books, editions from 2008 until 2012 if I am correct).
Particularly "The Major Mysteries", "The Three Mountains" and if I recall corectly "Revolution of Belzebuub".
Thank you.
3 years ago
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#19774
Hi!

Wanted to ask about this topic https://gnosticteachings.org/ask-instructor/19772-the-wedding-of-cana.html.

Lion of Judah, here you mention that there is 8 Venustic Initiations. That I knew from reading books. But before you said there is eight (8) great initiations of major mysteries for those that enter direct path and the eight is related to Binah, that is Venustic initiation.
So I have a bit of confussion here. To choose between spiral and direct paths you need to complete 5 great initiations, right? How can you choose between Venustic and Spiral initiations before that if you did not complete first 5 great initiations?
So there is 8 (eight) Venustic initiations or the eighth is Venustic intiatiation and 7 great initiations before are just solar?

I remember reading one of the books and Samael stated that you must first complete 5 great initiations (solar initiations), choose a path, and then 6th and 7th initiations are done by Innermost and if you choose direct path another 8 Venustic initiations await. Is that correct?

I am really sorry to bother you. I think it is just a language barrier, a difference between logic of languages (of how we think and read).
3 years ago
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#19777
“The seven serpents have their marvelous double in the seven serpents of light. First the fire, then the Brahmic splendor of the Venustic Initiation. We first need to climb the septenary scale of fire and then the septenary scale of light. We first need to resurrect in the fire and then in the light.”

Excerpt From: Samael Aun Weor. “The Perfect Matrimony: The Door to Enter into Initiation.” iBooks.


Study here, the thirty-first vertebrae of the causal body, before the Fifth Initiation of Tiphereth

Thereafter

The First Venustic Initiation

Then, the end of the first mountain or

Eighth Venustic Initiation

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 years ago
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#19782
So if I understood correctly after fifth great initiation, if you did not choose direct path there are two more great initiations for the Innermost to achieve?
1. And if you chose direct path, the initiation of Tiphereth (first Venustic initiations) begins? And after that another seven Venustic initiations await, until you finish the mountain with eigth initiation?
2. Or is it overall eight Venustic initiations (5 great initiations + initiation of Tiphereth and the rest two that belong to Innermost after which you finish First Mountain), that is those 5 great initiations you completed before become Venustic?
3. Or there is no initiations after 5 great initiations that Innermost must complete (6th and 7th), because you become Bodhisattva, and you must complete those?
Thank you!
It is a bit more clear now, but still not completely.
3 years ago
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#19784
Accepted Answer
So if I understood correctly after fifth great initiation, if you did not choose direct path there are two more great initiations for the Innermost to achieve?


Correct, that buddha finishes his fifth, sixth and seventh initiations of fire in Nirvana.

"And if you chose direct path, the initiation of Tiphereth (first Venustic initiations) begins?"


Yes, it begins in Malkuth, as it is described in John as follows:

"And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. (For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John.) John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that comes after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace. For the law was given by Moses (Tiphereth), but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ (Chokmah).” - John 1: 14-17

And after that another seven Venustic initiations await, until you finish the mountain with eighth initiation?


Yes, after Jesus Christ, as light, absorbs Malkuth, he contiues absorbing the Bodhisattva through the spinal medulla of Yesod, Hod, Netzach, Tiphereth, Geburah, Chesed and returns to Binah from where he was born, this, in order to posteriorly help the alchemist in the annihilation of his ego in the 49 levels of the Being. This is the end of the first mountain

Or is it overall eight Venustic initiations (5 great initiations + initiation of Tiphereth and the rest two that belong to Innermost after which you finish First Mountain), that is those 5 great initiations you completed before become Venustic?


Tiphereth, the Human Soul, becomes Bodisattva in the Initiation of Tiphereth, which is the fifth great initiation for those who previously chose the direct path in the 31st vertebrae of the causal body. The sixth and seventh initiations of fire are already attained in the fallen bodhisattvas.

Those alchemists who chose the direct path for the first time, enter into the mysteries of fire of the sixth and seventh initiations according to their alchemical work and thereafter continue with the 8 initiations of light or Venustic and finish the first mountain.

Remember, in Sanskrit, Bodhi means perfect knowledge or wisdom and Sattva means pure, divine, and spiritual, therefore, the Bodhisattva is Christ, Chokmah, united to Tiphereth, the human soul in the causal body. If Christ is not incarnated, in the human soul, that master is not a bodhisattva but a buddha pratieka, and that is all.

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

3 years ago
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#19785
Now everything makes perfect sense.
Was thinking that you must attain 7 fire initiations to start Venustic ones no matter if you are fallen or never have been on the path. But the Being does not fall, so for fallen Bodhisattvas Venustic initiation starts after 5th initiation of fire. That's where confussion was coming from.
Thank you again Lion of Judah! You have been of great help!
Take care!
Best wishes,
Wingless Eagle
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