Sunday, 10 September 2017
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All these arcana pertain to suffering. But what is the difference between the suffering that must come because of the 8th arcanum and the 12th one? This I would like to know in particular.

In general, is there a fundamental difference between the suffering brought by each of these arcana?

Off topic, I would like to thank all of you very much for this website and for the work you are doing! I can only hope to ever help humanity as much.
4 years ago
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Arcanum 7: suffering through battles with the black lodge, but battles that always end with victory for us.

Arcanum 8: suffering certain unchangeable and unmodifiable circumstances. Arcanum 8 refers to the eight years of Job, which are experienced at the end of the second mountain. With arcanum 8, one must have patience because one cannot change certain exterior circumstances.

Arcanum 9: suffering from seeing one's mistakes (especially lust) and entering repentance and initiation, a difficult and dangerous ordeal.

Arcanum 12: suffering as a result of sacrificing oneself for humanity, as an apostle, apostolate. With arcanum 12, one is sacrificing for humanity and is receiving the black coin of ingratitude, because one is working as an apostle, an apostolate, who undergoes moral crises and tremendous agony as a result of selfless service for others.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

4 years ago
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Arcanum 7: suffering through battles with the black lodge, but battles that always end with victory for us.

Arcanum 8: suffering certain unchangeable and unmodifiable circumstances. Arcanum 8 refers to the eight years of Job, which are experienced at the end of the second mountain. With arcanum 8, one must have patience because one cannot change certain exterior circumstances.

Arcanum 9: suffering from seeing one's mistakes (especially lust) and entering repentance and initiation, a difficult and dangerous ordeal.

Arcanum 12: suffering as a result of sacrificing oneself for humanity, as an apostle, apostolate. With arcanum 12, one is sacrificing for humanity and is receiving the black coin of ingratitude, because one is working as an apostle, an apostolate, who undergoes moral crises and tremendous agony as a result of selfless service for others.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

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