Friday, 18 August 2017
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Just wanted to elaborate on one of the previous questions, where Almustafa said that divinity is not tyranny, but freedom and love. How can you say that, seriously? What kind of love can we talk about when such terrible things happen on earth, not talking about the horrors of hell? What kind of parent it has to be to invent a system like this, based on suffering, punishment and all the horrors if you don't follow the path? Here, physically, we don't beat up our children simply because they don't do their homework or we don't send our children intentionally to prison, war, etc. so that they know "what is good or bad" if we are a loving parent, do we? So how can you say that divinity is not tyranny? What kind of love and freedom to choose can we talk about?

You say that it is all because of our fault, but how can we know what is good and bad, when all this knowledge and wisdom has been hidden for centuries, given to a few lucky ones with a teaspoon? It is revealed only now, when it is almost over, and even theoretical chances of accomplishing the work are barely minimal, not talking about practical chances.

Yes, this humanity has failed, but divinity and gods have done absolutely nothing to change the situation. Let's admit, not only humanity has failed, but also divinity and gods have failed miserably. More to that, individuals like Sakaki, who failed completely and orchestrated the system in which we are now even got "promoted" so to say. What kind of justice is that?
4 years ago
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#14935
Accepted Answer
Indeed, it is collective: there is responsibility all around, yet the majority of the responsibility rests upon the one who performs the action.

The scenario on this planet has many deep roots, yet in spite of the help that divinity has attempted to provide, we have not been interested in it. We are only interested in pursuing actions that cause suffering.

No one has "made us" behave this way. Divinity gave us free will, and we freely chose to degenerate, as we continue to daily.

No one has "beat on us." Our suffering is the result of our mistaken actions.

Divinity is not a tyrant or cruel: in fact, the only reason we still have a chance to escape being recycled by nature is because of compassionate beings who are making terrific sacrifices on our behalf to give us a few more moments to change.

It is hard to understand the degree of suffering on this planet: even the gods are incredulous at it. It will come to an end soon. The only question that remains is who will have the strength to change sufficiently to stay above the tremendous downward pull.

Bear in mind that anger and frustration can only take you further downward. They reside in hell, so don't remain attached to them else they will keep you there.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

4 years ago
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#14933
When a person dies of alcoholism, suicide, or a sexual disease, whose fault is it?

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

4 years ago
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#14934
It is a collective responsibility: the one who has chosen that way, but also those who didn't do anything to stop that person, those who were indifferent, those who created the conditions which have devastated the other person who committed the suicide or turned into alcohol addict, etc. etc.

Let me flip the question around: if you beat up your child daily, abuse him, etc. and create a hell for him each day, and all of a sudden he finishes his life – whose fault it is? Both – your child as he chose that way, but also yours – because you have made that person to act that way.
4 years ago
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#14935
Accepted Answer
Indeed, it is collective: there is responsibility all around, yet the majority of the responsibility rests upon the one who performs the action.

The scenario on this planet has many deep roots, yet in spite of the help that divinity has attempted to provide, we have not been interested in it. We are only interested in pursuing actions that cause suffering.

No one has "made us" behave this way. Divinity gave us free will, and we freely chose to degenerate, as we continue to daily.

No one has "beat on us." Our suffering is the result of our mistaken actions.

Divinity is not a tyrant or cruel: in fact, the only reason we still have a chance to escape being recycled by nature is because of compassionate beings who are making terrific sacrifices on our behalf to give us a few more moments to change.

It is hard to understand the degree of suffering on this planet: even the gods are incredulous at it. It will come to an end soon. The only question that remains is who will have the strength to change sufficiently to stay above the tremendous downward pull.

Bear in mind that anger and frustration can only take you further downward. They reside in hell, so don't remain attached to them else they will keep you there.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

4 years ago
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#14937
Like the poster above, ordinary student, i have had similar thoughts and sometimes fail to understand the Gnostic teachings.

My son was raped when he was 10 years old.
As a result he turned to alcohol, drugs, gambling and sex as a form of escape like many abuse victims do.

As i understand the laws of Karma it appears likely that my son may have been an abuser in a previous life and is therefore experiencing the karmic consequences of those previous actions.

What i do not understand is that if those karmic consequences of suffering exactly what you have done in a previous life are meant to correct our behaviour, it clearly is not working as a huge percentage of people who have been abused become abusers themselves.

Many people have come forward in recent years describing the systematic abuse they suffered, who were born into satanic bloodline families.

They describe how they and their siblings are abused and tortured, as their parents were, to perpetuate this situation and create yet more abusers.

Statistics and my own observations, clearly demonstrate to me that karma (as described on this website) rarely work in such situations but rather create yet more abuse and suffering.

On a microcosmic scale, i would not hit my child because he hit another child in order to teach him that hurting others was not right, it makes no sense to me at all that God would employ the same method.

So is it the victims fault ?
4 years ago
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#14940
There is no such thing as a "God" that "punishes" people.

Nature is a structure of laws. One of those laws is cause and effect.

The cycles of violence and abuse are not just indicative of the actions of one or two lifetimes, but many more. Our actions and their consequences are compounded over hundreds of years. This is not a simple "1+1" equation. It is very complex. The experiences of each person are the result of uncountable actions and consequences originated by that very person. Someone who is in the circumstances of abuse and violence has been laying the groundwork for that experience for many, many lifetimes.

Do negative actions tend to compound and lead to more suffering? Of course! Especially when we choose to respond negatively. The cited examples reflect this: perhaps due to their own abusive actions in the past, a person suffers abuse in return; in response, they use this new experience to justify their desire to abuse others in return. In other words, having abused and been abused, and they choose to continue abusing, making it worse for everyone, rather than stopping the cycle. All of this only multiplies the suffering for everyone: by choice, by will. They are not forced to choose that way of behaving, they willing choose it.

Incredibly, however, it is possible to take advantage of the very same law in order to change those circumstances. When one consciously chooses to adopt superior actions, they can compound very rapidly and effectively, even exponentially, such that "the phoenix bird" rises from the ashes of suffering into a brilliant and beautiful expression of light. However, this cannot occur so long as one remains stuck in old ways of thinking and behaving.

Sadly, the fact is that this humanity is too far gone. That is why nature will soon clean itself.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

4 years ago
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#14946
When you say soon- you mean years, decades, centuries?
4 years ago
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#14949
Read the first few chapters of this book:

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

4 years ago
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#14953
I have read it, but there's not much clarity. Based on the symptoms described it can be the next year, but equally it can be after a 50-100 years.
4 years ago
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#14958
But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. - Mat 24:36

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

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