Monday, 04 June 2012
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my wife has been listening to gnosis lectures for about a year now, & i have listened a few times. from what i've heard, most everything in your belief system is based on sex. i understand that you preach neither man or woman should reach the state of an orgasm, but i was wondering about your perspective on oral sex and manual stimulation as a means of foreplay. my wife says she thinks it is not permitted, but i am very curious and would greatly appreciate your response.

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10 years ago
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#1450
Accepted Answer
You say, “from what i've heard, most everything in your belief system is based on sex, i understand that you preach neither man or woman should reach the state of an orgasm.”

Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

The (Spirit or) wind blows where it wants (within your body), and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.– John 3: 5-8


You say, “but i was wondering about your perspective on oral sex and manual stimulation as a means of foreplay.

Well, observe cats, dogs and all mammals, and you will see that all of them do oral sex and all kind of stimulation as a means of foreplay. So, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh”, in other words, all of that is animal lust, animal desire, NOT HUMAN!

Yet, “That which is born of the Spirit is Spirit” When one is being born of the Spirit, one understands that in the beginning "the Spirit of God moves upon the face of the (sexual) waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." - Genesis 1: 2, 3

You say, "I am allowed to do anything (in the flesh)"--but not everything is good for you. You say, "I am allowed to do anything (as animal)"--but not everything is beneficial. 1 Corinthians 10: 23


my wife says she thinks it is not permitted, but i am very curious and would greatly appreciate your response.

Adam's wife also said that it is not permitted: “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it (as an animal), neither shall ye touch it (as a beast), lest ye die (the second death).” Genesis 3: 3


And no (lustful) man has ascended up to heaven, but he (the Spirit) that came down from heaven, even the Son of man (the Son of chastity) which is in heaven. - John 3: 13

Om
Mani
Padme
Hum

Let Om bloom (Padme) within your Hum-Mani-ty. ;)

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

10 years ago
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#1446
And the serpent (animal instinct) was more subtle than any beast of the field (sexual organs) which Jehovah Elohim had made" (Genesis 3: 1).


“Beast” in Hebrew spells חית and it is also how the letter ח Chet is spelled.

The letter Chet ח joins two letters, namely, ו Vav and ז Zain together.

The letter ו Vav represents the male and the letter ז Zain the female.

Therefore, חית “Beast,” means males and females who are the offspring and progeny of fornication, Lilith, the Kundabuffer serpent who tempted and seduced Eve (the sexual organ) to do evil by exciting animal desire and other animal tendencies. Thus, under these animal tendencies, she (the sexual organ) conceived and brought forth Cain (intellectual animals) who (through sexual promiscuity) kills Abel (their consciousness) his brother, the shepherd of whom the scripture terms "beschagam" (flesh).

And Jehovah said, My (Ruach) spirit will not be in man (Abel) for ever, for he is also flesh (Nephesh-animal soul). Genesis 6:3

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

10 years ago
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#1448
Are these just "canned" phrases? I must not be enlightened enough to understand, this makes no sense to me, and my questions still stand unanswered.

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10 years ago
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#1450
Accepted Answer
You say, “from what i've heard, most everything in your belief system is based on sex, i understand that you preach neither man or woman should reach the state of an orgasm.”

Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
Marvel not that I said to you, You must be born again.

The (Spirit or) wind blows where it wants (within your body), and you hear the sound thereof, but can not tell from where it comes, and where it goes: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.– John 3: 5-8


You say, “but i was wondering about your perspective on oral sex and manual stimulation as a means of foreplay.

Well, observe cats, dogs and all mammals, and you will see that all of them do oral sex and all kind of stimulation as a means of foreplay. So, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh”, in other words, all of that is animal lust, animal desire, NOT HUMAN!

Yet, “That which is born of the Spirit is Spirit” When one is being born of the Spirit, one understands that in the beginning "the Spirit of God moves upon the face of the (sexual) waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light." - Genesis 1: 2, 3

You say, "I am allowed to do anything (in the flesh)"--but not everything is good for you. You say, "I am allowed to do anything (as animal)"--but not everything is beneficial. 1 Corinthians 10: 23


my wife says she thinks it is not permitted, but i am very curious and would greatly appreciate your response.

Adam's wife also said that it is not permitted: “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it (as an animal), neither shall ye touch it (as a beast), lest ye die (the second death).” Genesis 3: 3


And no (lustful) man has ascended up to heaven, but he (the Spirit) that came down from heaven, even the Son of man (the Son of chastity) which is in heaven. - John 3: 13

Om
Mani
Padme
Hum

Let Om bloom (Padme) within your Hum-Mani-ty. ;)

Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5

10 years ago
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#1468
OK, as I understand your response, oral sex is considered animal lust and therefore not condoned. Thanks for your patience.

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10 years ago
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#1473
What was written here by the instructor is simple: learn to sense whether your sexual actions are animalistic or radiate purity and dignity. If you want to become an angel or buddha, you have to act like one. (They do have sex, by the way, but not like humanity).

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

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