This is an addendum question to a thread that I accepted the answer of from Gnostic Instructor KH.
Click the link for the source question if you wish:
http://gnosticteachings.org/forum/the-idea-of-universal-salvation-what-is-the-gnostic-perspective-on-this.html
Notwithstanding, I still accept KH's answer in regards to the idea of Universal Salvation. However a part of KH's response makes me wonder further, in regards to a part of KH's quote....
While I agree with that point generally, however I can't help but wonder and seriously question....
Does God's Will reign supreme or can "Our" (when I say Our I mean Man's) free will thwart it?
Surely this can not be, How can we, thwart the will of our creator and at the self same not even realize it? I can see us being blinded from the start by deception and non-willingness to wake up. I always thought and found comfort in God's power always overcoming and proving him/herself supreme that even in the end all would come to pass in accordance to the Divine Plan.
Which makes re-think of the original ideas of God's desires of according to Christian Bible teachings; 1.) That God shall reconcile all things to himself. and 2.) That God desires for all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
While I still sincerely believe KH's response to the source question on this, but in all honesty, can we in good faith still know that God's will shall ultimately prevail or is that something that can never be known and can only be taken solely on faith?
Thank you, and I look forward to your anticipated response.
Click the link for the source question if you wish:
http://gnosticteachings.org/forum/the-idea-of-universal-salvation-what-is-the-gnostic-perspective-on-this.html
Notwithstanding, I still accept KH's answer in regards to the idea of Universal Salvation. However a part of KH's response makes me wonder further, in regards to a part of KH's quote....
Only with conscious works can we reach true Salvation and Final Liberation. Salvation is not mechanical. God is not a tyrant and we all have the choice to not work on ourselves.
While I agree with that point generally, however I can't help but wonder and seriously question....
Does God's Will reign supreme or can "Our" (when I say Our I mean Man's) free will thwart it?
Surely this can not be, How can we, thwart the will of our creator and at the self same not even realize it? I can see us being blinded from the start by deception and non-willingness to wake up. I always thought and found comfort in God's power always overcoming and proving him/herself supreme that even in the end all would come to pass in accordance to the Divine Plan.
Which makes re-think of the original ideas of God's desires of according to Christian Bible teachings; 1.) That God shall reconcile all things to himself. and 2.) That God desires for all men to be saved and come unto the knowledge of the truth.
While I still sincerely believe KH's response to the source question on this, but in all honesty, can we in good faith still know that God's will shall ultimately prevail or is that something that can never be known and can only be taken solely on faith?
Thank you, and I look forward to your anticipated response.
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Accepted Answer
Planet Earth is not the only inhabited planet in the starry space. The plurality of inhabited worlds is a tremendous reality. This invites us to comprehend that the Monads from other planets also enjoy complete freedom in order to accept or to reject mastery.
Notwithstanding, the personality is different. Thus, I want to emphatically state the following about it: not all of the existing human personalities who live in other inhabited worlds of the infinite space have fallen as low as we, the inhabitants of the planet Earth.
Friends, in the diverse spheres of the infinite exist marvelous planetary humanities who march in accordance with the great cosmic laws. However, again, I repeat, not all the Monads want mastery.
Infernos exist within all the planets from all the galaxies. Nevertheless, not all the planetary hells are inhabited. For instance: our sun is a marvelous star whose light illuminates all the planets of this solar system of Ors, and it is interesting to know that the infernal worlds of our king star are completely clean. Obviously, in this brilliant sun it is impossible to find cosmic failures; not one of its inhabitants march in submerged devolution. The creatures that live in the king star are completely divine, they are Solar Spirits.
It is convenient to not forget that any cosmic unit that emerges into life inevitably possesses a mineral kingdom that is submerged within its natural infradimensions. Albeit there exist worlds whose submerged mineral kingdom is densely populated; among them is our planet Earth. This indicates or shows us the failure of many Monads.
http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/hell-the-devil-and-karma/758-monads-and-essences.html
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5
Accepted Answer
Planet Earth is not the only inhabited planet in the starry space. The plurality of inhabited worlds is a tremendous reality. This invites us to comprehend that the Monads from other planets also enjoy complete freedom in order to accept or to reject mastery.
Notwithstanding, the personality is different. Thus, I want to emphatically state the following about it: not all of the existing human personalities who live in other inhabited worlds of the infinite space have fallen as low as we, the inhabitants of the planet Earth.
Friends, in the diverse spheres of the infinite exist marvelous planetary humanities who march in accordance with the great cosmic laws. However, again, I repeat, not all the Monads want mastery.
Infernos exist within all the planets from all the galaxies. Nevertheless, not all the planetary hells are inhabited. For instance: our sun is a marvelous star whose light illuminates all the planets of this solar system of Ors, and it is interesting to know that the infernal worlds of our king star are completely clean. Obviously, in this brilliant sun it is impossible to find cosmic failures; not one of its inhabitants march in submerged devolution. The creatures that live in the king star are completely divine, they are Solar Spirits.
It is convenient to not forget that any cosmic unit that emerges into life inevitably possesses a mineral kingdom that is submerged within its natural infradimensions. Albeit there exist worlds whose submerged mineral kingdom is densely populated; among them is our planet Earth. This indicates or shows us the failure of many Monads.
http://gnosticteachings.org/books-by-samael-aun-weor/hell-the-devil-and-karma/758-monads-and-essences.html
Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah,
the Root of David, has prevailed to open the book,
and to loose the seven seals thereof. - Revelation 5: 5
It took me three times of reading your quoted response, now I do believe I get it. Ultimately Like KH previously quoted above "God is not a tyrant and we all have the choice to not work on ourselves." In the end, Whatsoever the Divine Plan is also includes our abilities to choose whatsoever our outcome.
I understand now its not about whether or not if our choices could or couldn't thwart God's plan. Its ultimately about how God will never make us do anything, for instance, self-realize. As quoted some will not choose mastery.
This stuff is very deep, I look forward to reading more about these things. Thank you for responding in reference to this concern. I really do appreciate it.
On a side note, Whoever voted this down, It is not my intention to be inflammatory or negative. The purpose of this question or any question I may ask is to seek clarity on a matter. I was raised on the ideology that no question is a stupid question. One can never get an answer or get anywhere close to progress if one doesn't ask.
Nevertheless, apologies to anyone I may have offended in regards to this topic.
May all be well and be safe.
I understand now its not about whether or not if our choices could or couldn't thwart God's plan. Its ultimately about how God will never make us do anything, for instance, self-realize. As quoted some will not choose mastery.
This stuff is very deep, I look forward to reading more about these things. Thank you for responding in reference to this concern. I really do appreciate it.
On a side note, Whoever voted this down, It is not my intention to be inflammatory or negative. The purpose of this question or any question I may ask is to seek clarity on a matter. I was raised on the ideology that no question is a stupid question. One can never get an answer or get anywhere close to progress if one doesn't ask.
Nevertheless, apologies to anyone I may have offended in regards to this topic.
May all be well and be safe.
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