Tuesday, 14 June 2016
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I have had a question like this for years. Reading the books and doing meditations I wanted to place sexual purity as essential in my practice. Not just something to be amused by intellectually. I have recently split from a man who only recently found out he may have homosexual inclinations. This relationship went on for 6 years before this happened. During our time together I insisted on refraining from (I don't know how openly we speak here) the orgasm while he just kind of went along with it, but did not refrain as much as I. I failed many times before taking the doctrine seriously, but not in comparison to him. He seems to want to experiment and then come back to me if it is a "phase".

Am I wrong in thinking that this fallen sexual energy has caused manifestations of homosexual energy in his person? Is it possible to work with him by gaining better mastery over myself or will he lose balance in practicing homosexuality? Should I not be involved with him again? Should we as gnostics look to connect with people within our tradition or other trantric traditions and not seek mates in the non-gnostic tradition as they seem to have no understanding of sexual practice. Everything is very orgasm based.
6 years ago
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#11976
Accepted Answer
The sexual union of man and woman begins a marriage. To perfect that marriage, both the man and the woman must purify and perfect their love, by eliminating the defects (lust, pride, envy), giving birth to the perfections (love, chastity, altruism), and serving others selflessly.

In other words, nature is blind to beliefs, morals, theories, cultural traditions, or ideas about sex; nature is chemistry, biology, action and consequence. If one has sex, one creates a union of souls. If one has many partners, one is an adulterer. If one has the orgasm, one is a fornicator. All adulterers suffer the same consequences; this is proven in observation of facts. All fornicators suffer the same consequences; this is proven in observation of facts. These are not beliefs or "gnostic" ideas, these are actions and consequences in your chemistry, biology, and psychology.

Marriage is the same: it is not a belief or idea, it is a fact of nature.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#11961
Firstly, the sexual act unites the body and soul: sex creates a marriage.

Lovers often confuse desire with love, and the worst of all is that they get married [have sex] believing they are in love. Therefore, when the sex act is consummated and carnal passion is satisfied, then disenchantment arrives and the terrifying reality remains.

Lovers should analyze themselves before getting married [via sex] to see if they are really in love. Passion is mistaken easily for love. Love and desire are absolute opposites.

Whosoever is truly in love is willing to shed even his last drop blood for his beloved.

Examine yourself before you get married. Do you feel capable of shedding even your last drop of blood for the being you adore? Would you be capable of giving your life so that your beloved could live? Reflect and meditate. Does a true affinity of thought, feeling, and will exist with the being whom you adore? Remember that if complete affinity does not exist, then your marriage, instead of being a heaven, will be a true hell. Do not let yourself get carried away by desire. Kill not only desire, but moreover, the shadow itself of the tempting tree of desire....

Adultery is the cruel result of the lack of love. The woman who is truly in love would prefer death to adultery. The man who commits adultery is not truly in love.
Love is terribly divine. The blessed Goddess Mother of the world is what we call love.

With the terrifying fire of love, we can transform ourselves into Gods in order to penetrate into the amphitheater of cosmic science with full majesty.


Sex is not what leads to liberation, awakening, powers, or a new level of being. Love does.
6 years ago
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#11970
So the gnostic definition of marriage is the sex act itself and not some piece of paper and a ceramony with your friends and family?
6 years ago
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#11974
No, that is not the "gnostic" definition, it is just how nature works. The sexual act is a chemical transformation.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#11975
So im a little confused then, what is the "gnostic" definition of marriage?
6 years ago
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#11976
Accepted Answer
The sexual union of man and woman begins a marriage. To perfect that marriage, both the man and the woman must purify and perfect their love, by eliminating the defects (lust, pride, envy), giving birth to the perfections (love, chastity, altruism), and serving others selflessly.

In other words, nature is blind to beliefs, morals, theories, cultural traditions, or ideas about sex; nature is chemistry, biology, action and consequence. If one has sex, one creates a union of souls. If one has many partners, one is an adulterer. If one has the orgasm, one is a fornicator. All adulterers suffer the same consequences; this is proven in observation of facts. All fornicators suffer the same consequences; this is proven in observation of facts. These are not beliefs or "gnostic" ideas, these are actions and consequences in your chemistry, biology, and psychology.

Marriage is the same: it is not a belief or idea, it is a fact of nature.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#11984
I think I understand what the instructor is saying. I will try to explain it how I have seen it. When you connect with someone on a physical level - you feel "bonded" with them. With my heart I have seen this. In my personal experience the bond of the flesh is very final and direct - I feel almost atomically intermingled with this person on a level that papers and ceremonies cannot achieve. So, therefore, yeah --- it is like a marriage in that you are deeply joined on a spiritual level. This is my interpretation. The marriage formal of course is a public way of expressing this clearly to all those around.

After I have "known" someone --- I may find others attractive, but I have no desire to go against the bond I have created / and agree to create by being in a relationship. Its like a natural monogomy.
6 years ago
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#12188
I totally understand this and papers for marriage are just somthing society has put in place. But in regards to the statement
I may find others attractive, but I have no desire to go against the bond I have created / and agree to create by being in a relationship. Its like a natural monogomy.
is this true? from my understanding
the moment we have attraction for someone other than our spouse we have already commited adultry. Am I incorrect on this?
6 years ago
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#12190
I think that what I meant to say is that I can see that others are handsome or have pleasing qualities. Just as I can see that a painting is beautiful or feel the weather is nice. I acknowledge this intellectually but not in lusting or wanting.

But yes, I agree that once you are lusting after someone in your heart, this is akin to adultery. I think it has to be conquered or meditated upon but I am not an instructor. I would not know completely how to answer this correctly. ;)
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