Tuesday, 12 January 2016
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if one waters his garden, having watered all the plants that seemed to have the most promise and reward, one then waters the ground where the smallest seed fell, not even knowing for sure it is there. having been made sick by the garden, one waters the barren spot with the last drop of water so that one would otherwise die, the seed becomes the root of a great tree.

what are the birds that take shelter in that tree?
6 years ago
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#11054
Accepted Answer
Study The Conference of the Birds by the Sufi master Farid ud-Din Attar!

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#11054
Accepted Answer
Study The Conference of the Birds by the Sufi master Farid ud-Din Attar!

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#11203
There is enough in that poem to find enlightenment. it is worthy of study.

However, i fail to see the answer to my question.

I use the words i do in the question, because i am explaining what i see.
the garden is one's reality, the seeds are experiences, the smallest seed is the subtle body.
After obtaining thus clearly, i consider the parables of different masters concerning this tree.

I have an insight into the answer, but i will hold it for confirmation. equanimity is more important than an answer.
6 years ago
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#11206
Every tree of life has nine branches (heavens or sephiroth above) and roots (in Malkuth).

According to The Conference of the Birds, these birds (initiates who know how to conquer the air, the mind) must traverse the seven stations or valleys (seven descents into the infernal worlds in order to resurrect in the fire and light of the Major Mysteries)!

The seed of the gospels is the Buddhata that must become what it is: a Buddha (awakened one), just as the birds in Farid ud-Din Attar's text explain that the birds are the kings they seek when they behold themselves in the lake (the waters of Divine Mother Space)!

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#11259
i did read the conference of the birds btw. it is the book i wish i would have read when i started the path, and it is a book that i will read multiple times. however, i don't believe those are the birds im talking about.

i tried to specify the birds i was talking about.

the birds buddha said would take shelter in the tree that is like a man of faith/conviction.
AN 5.38 PTS: A iii 42
Saddha Sutta: Conviction


also christ, in the parable of the mustard seed, said these would take shelter in the tree that grows from a mustard seed.
6 years ago
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#11263
Birds are those who know how to control the Tattwa Vayu (the air of the mind). A tree is the tree of life, the Being!
71. Let us awake within ourselves the occult majesty of our interior beauty.
72. Allow me to affirm the majesty of our Being.
73. I am a solitary tree. I am the Tree of Life.
-Samael Aun Weor, Igneous Rose

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#11264
it is so, if one awakens, then those who have obtained some truth, will take shelter in the awakened ones teachings and guidance.
that is the milk. that is not the concealed meaning that im feeling but can't quite make out.
I assure you though, the truth dresses in many clothes.
(the clothes are for us, because the truth doesn't change, the change is only in the receivers.)

in the other world, is there another tree? the tree of life is unique, and unchanging isn't it so?
in this world, all of the buddhas are different in their human form, and they are different in their words. So the truth in them wears different clothes does it not?

and how does this tree grow within a person, is it not by the death of the ego?
And how many are the egos/aggregates of what we consider self?
many, and these egos are not the tree. if any of them was the tree, the other ego(s) would be exposed, clearly as lies.

so what does one find when one can awaken while the ego sleeps. does one have thoughts when they are in the emptiness. does the ego think of the void?
Isnt it so that every expenditure of energy in this body, thoughts included, is to the service of self/ego?
then the thoughts die with the ego!

So as the tree grows within one, it follows that the ego must be dying on this side. then what is one to think?
in that one, in whom the tree grows, what are they to think of if they can only think of the lights impression on their ego?
i have met the guardians. the mind can not see the truth without clothes, it is a more stable law than even gravity.

the truth, it comes to one when the tree grows so that the awakened one can have true thoughts. The spirit of truth reveals itself to the tree.
the corrected consciousness is the only cup that can receive the truth, and the truth does not let a void form.
meaning: when there is a vessel to receive the truth, such a vessel is incapable of receiving anything else besides the truth, and there is no other thing than the truth. so the cup is filled.

what can we liken the spirit of truth to?
what imagery might be used to describe the truth descending upon an awakened one?
if we say that the buddha in this world is like a tree in the garden of the kingdom, then what would we say are the birds in the other world?

to be born into the kingdom is like a rock becoming a sprout. if the buddha is a tree, then what human can fly to him?

if we interpret the tree as a spiritual thing, so shouldn't the birds be a spiritual thing?
so now i have come to wonder if the specific birds im talking about are angles or the thoughts from the holy spirit...
perhaps angels are the thoughts of the holy spirit. we already know that demons are the thoughts of the homosapiens/ego.

when i first asked this question, it was because i found something in the spirit and i couldn't discern it.
i did not have this in mind when i submitted the question.

now that you have helped me this far, please give me your genuine measure of the issue.
if we are not in agreement, then i want to beat the rug further.
but if you don't find fault here, then we will end this topic.
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