Hello, I have been student of theology, mythology, and philosophy for about 2 years now and have been familiar with the teachings of Samael for around a year probably now. my question has to do with what gnosticism is, as i have studied here and through other sources i have come across what i would consider two very distinct threads of gnostic teachings. the first being what i would consider the teachings of Samael Aun Weor, and the latter being what i guess i would call more mainstream scholarly gnostic teachings. the difference is so vast that it truly shocks me and has caused me a bit of distress and confusion. the main difference is this. in the teachings of Samael Aun Weor all world faiths though they have been adulterated have descended from truth, and the opposing all faiths descend from lies. (especially those of the abrahamic roots) it also has a lot to do with the character of YHVH. to my knowledge through much studying in the teachings of Samael YHVH is a sort of personified collective consciousness, that is heavenly and for lack of better words good; in the opposing teaching the YHVH is made out to be the evil and parasitic Demiurge who has trapped our divine spark and to whom we are a slave. whilst i personally feel drawn to the teachings of Samael many scholars consider his work to be unauthentic teaching and not the true heart of gnosis. it has truly put a fear in me, i know the only one who can truly lead me down the correct path is my innermost but sadly my practice has been little to none out of the fear of failing and choosing the wrong path. so i wanted to come here to try and find where this division of teachings comes from and which is considered authentic.
that you for all this website does and i look forward to hearing back soon.
Sean
that you for all this website does and i look forward to hearing back soon.
Sean
Accepted Answer
Reflect upon this teaching: The Lord Jehovah.
Jehovah is the lord of both divine and mechanical laws in nature. He is the Demiurge, the Multiple Perfect Unity or collective host of angels who work with the souls of minerals, animals, plants, and humanoids, whether through evolution or devolution.
The problem is that humanity has chosen the path of devolution, of perversion and of evil, demonstrated by "eating the forbidden fruit" in Genesis. Therefore, intellectual humanoids entered into degeneration, and Jehovah, the Demiurge, as an act of mercy, is propelling those failed souls through the abyss so the impurities of their psyches may be purified and removed. That is hell: a recycling plant to remove the garbage of the mind and soul. This is an act of compassion, since those failures cannot remove the impurities of their psyches by themselves, and therefore need the mechanical laws of nature to which they are enslaved to do it for them. If divinity did not do this, then humanity would eternally remain in evil, and that is absurd.
The reflection of the powers of the Demiurge in us is demonic, since "Demonius est Deus inversus" or "The devil is God inverted." However, the powers of the Christ, the Demiurge, within any pure human being or perfected master is angelic, beautiful, and holy. The Gnostic scriptures, being written in Kabbalah and Alchemical principles, often speaks of both in a mixed way, requiring intuition and meditation to comprehend.
Jehovah is the lord of both divine and mechanical laws in nature. He is the Demiurge, the Multiple Perfect Unity or collective host of angels who work with the souls of minerals, animals, plants, and humanoids, whether through evolution or devolution.
The problem is that humanity has chosen the path of devolution, of perversion and of evil, demonstrated by "eating the forbidden fruit" in Genesis. Therefore, intellectual humanoids entered into degeneration, and Jehovah, the Demiurge, as an act of mercy, is propelling those failed souls through the abyss so the impurities of their psyches may be purified and removed. That is hell: a recycling plant to remove the garbage of the mind and soul. This is an act of compassion, since those failures cannot remove the impurities of their psyches by themselves, and therefore need the mechanical laws of nature to which they are enslaved to do it for them. If divinity did not do this, then humanity would eternally remain in evil, and that is absurd.
The reflection of the powers of the Demiurge in us is demonic, since "Demonius est Deus inversus" or "The devil is God inverted." However, the powers of the Christ, the Demiurge, within any pure human being or perfected master is angelic, beautiful, and holy. The Gnostic scriptures, being written in Kabbalah and Alchemical principles, often speaks of both in a mixed way, requiring intuition and meditation to comprehend.
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
Scholars who base themselves on intellectual associations do not have cognizance of divinity, and therefore do not have gnosis.
This is well-explained in one of my favorite Sufi treatises by Hujwiri, known as Revelation of the Mystery (Khasf al-Mahjub). I will present some of the most pertinent selections of his explanations:
'ilm al-yaqin: the knowledge of certainty
'ayn al-yaqin: the eye of certainty
'haqq al-yaqin: the truth of certainty
The knowledge of certainty is like hearing about fire.
The eye of certainty is like seeing fire.
The truth of certainty is like being consumed by fire.
Scholars only speak and write about fire, never having seen it or let alone been consumed by it. Therefore, it is not unusual for the donkeys of the intellect, the stubborn animal minds attached to their beliefs, to denigrate the writings of Samael Aun Weor, who is a great bonfire in the internal planes.
Remember also that Jalalludin Muhammad Rumi was a scholar when he met his Guru, his master Shams of Tabriz, who took all of Rumi's books and threw them into a well, signifying, symbolically, Kabbalistically: "White wash the devil (your theorizing, demonic mind) and burn [or bury] your books (intellectualism and speculation, by throwing them into the well of Yesod and by going into your own spiritual earth, so as to extract real wisdom)."
Divinity grants us certainty in accordance with our works. In order for you to move beyond the knowledge of certainty, you must see and experience. Then, you will be inoculated by the spirit "of the dead letter that kills [the scholars who go towards the second death, having experienced nothing they read]."
Meditate on these sayings by Rumi:
This is well-explained in one of my favorite Sufi treatises by Hujwiri, known as Revelation of the Mystery (Khasf al-Mahjub). I will present some of the most pertinent selections of his explanations:
If reason were the cause of gnosis, it would follow that every reasonable person must know God, and that all who lack reason must be ignorant of Him; which is manifestly absurd. Others pretend that demonstration (istidlal) is the cause of knowledge of God [such as scholars demonstrating their intellectual beliefs of Gnostic scriptures], and that such knowledge is not gained except by those who deduce it in this manner [meaning: if you do not accept the scholarly interpretations of the scriptures, then the scholars say you are wrong].As I mentioned to a student in another post:
...In reality Man's only guide and enlightener is God. Reason and the proofs adduced by reason are unable to direct anyone in the right way. If the infidels (fornicators, whether they be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Buddhist, etc.) were the return from the place of Judgement to this world, they would bring their infidelity back with them (cf. Koran vi, 28). When the Commander of the Faithful, 'Ali, was asked concerning gnosis, he said, "I know God by God, and I know that which is not God by the light [cognizance] of God." God created the body and committed its life to the spirit (jan), and He created the soul (dil) and committed its life to Himself [through the path of initiation]. Hence, inasmuch as reason and human faculties and evidences have no power to make the body live, they cannot make the soul live, as God hath said: "Shall he who was dead [spiritually] and whom We have restored to life [in divinity] and to whom We have given a light whereby he may walk among men...?" (Koran vi, 122), i.e. "I am the Creator of the light [understanding, intuition, insight] in which believers [of the Gnostic doctrine] are illumined." It is God that opens and seals the hearts of men (Koran xxxix, 23; ii, 6): therefore He alone is able to guide them...
...The first step of demonstration [through intellectual speculation and scholarly debate] is a turning away from God, because demonstration involves consideration of some other thing, whereas gnosis is a turning away from all that is not God. Ordinary objects of search [in the intellectual, scholarly domain] are found by means of demonstration, but knowledge [gnosis, marifah in Arabic] of God is extraordinary [and is only verified through meditation, insight, and experience].
God Most High has said, “In that are signs for those who read the signs” (15:75). “By those who read the signs” means “for those who can see the inward state of things” or “those who have insight" [and therefore certainty]."There are three forms of certainty in order to read the signs, scriptures, and experiences of the divine:
—Al-Risalah: Principles of Sufism by Al-Qushayri
'ilm al-yaqin: the knowledge of certainty
'ayn al-yaqin: the eye of certainty
'haqq al-yaqin: the truth of certainty
The knowledge of certainty is like hearing about fire.
The eye of certainty is like seeing fire.
The truth of certainty is like being consumed by fire.
Scholars only speak and write about fire, never having seen it or let alone been consumed by it. Therefore, it is not unusual for the donkeys of the intellect, the stubborn animal minds attached to their beliefs, to denigrate the writings of Samael Aun Weor, who is a great bonfire in the internal planes.
Remember also that Jalalludin Muhammad Rumi was a scholar when he met his Guru, his master Shams of Tabriz, who took all of Rumi's books and threw them into a well, signifying, symbolically, Kabbalistically: "White wash the devil (your theorizing, demonic mind) and burn [or bury] your books (intellectualism and speculation, by throwing them into the well of Yesod and by going into your own spiritual earth, so as to extract real wisdom)."
Divinity grants us certainty in accordance with our works. In order for you to move beyond the knowledge of certainty, you must see and experience. Then, you will be inoculated by the spirit "of the dead letter that kills [the scholars who go towards the second death, having experienced nothing they read]."
Meditate on these sayings by Rumi:
"A donkey with a load of holy books is still a donkey."
“If in thirst you drink water from a cup, you see Allah in it. Those who are not in love with Allah will see only their own faces [interpretations] in it.”
For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami
Thank you for your quick reply, but i don't fee it quite answered my question. i guess in short what i was asking is where Scripturally does this division in gnosticism stem from, what are people reading that is causing so many people who study gnosticism consider YHVH to be the evil Demiurge/false god whilst you here at Glorian publishings do not. that is my confusion, how from one group of texts. (nag hamadi library, pistis sophia etc.) two such opposing views could be made on the character of YHVH.
thank you again for your assistance.
thank you again for your assistance.
Accepted Answer
Reflect upon this teaching: The Lord Jehovah.
Jehovah is the lord of both divine and mechanical laws in nature. He is the Demiurge, the Multiple Perfect Unity or collective host of angels who work with the souls of minerals, animals, plants, and humanoids, whether through evolution or devolution.
The problem is that humanity has chosen the path of devolution, of perversion and of evil, demonstrated by "eating the forbidden fruit" in Genesis. Therefore, intellectual humanoids entered into degeneration, and Jehovah, the Demiurge, as an act of mercy, is propelling those failed souls through the abyss so the impurities of their psyches may be purified and removed. That is hell: a recycling plant to remove the garbage of the mind and soul. This is an act of compassion, since those failures cannot remove the impurities of their psyches by themselves, and therefore need the mechanical laws of nature to which they are enslaved to do it for them. If divinity did not do this, then humanity would eternally remain in evil, and that is absurd.
The reflection of the powers of the Demiurge in us is demonic, since "Demonius est Deus inversus" or "The devil is God inverted." However, the powers of the Christ, the Demiurge, within any pure human being or perfected master is angelic, beautiful, and holy. The Gnostic scriptures, being written in Kabbalah and Alchemical principles, often speaks of both in a mixed way, requiring intuition and meditation to comprehend.
Jehovah is the lord of both divine and mechanical laws in nature. He is the Demiurge, the Multiple Perfect Unity or collective host of angels who work with the souls of minerals, animals, plants, and humanoids, whether through evolution or devolution.
The problem is that humanity has chosen the path of devolution, of perversion and of evil, demonstrated by "eating the forbidden fruit" in Genesis. Therefore, intellectual humanoids entered into degeneration, and Jehovah, the Demiurge, as an act of mercy, is propelling those failed souls through the abyss so the impurities of their psyches may be purified and removed. That is hell: a recycling plant to remove the garbage of the mind and soul. This is an act of compassion, since those failures cannot remove the impurities of their psyches by themselves, and therefore need the mechanical laws of nature to which they are enslaved to do it for them. If divinity did not do this, then humanity would eternally remain in evil, and that is absurd.
The reflection of the powers of the Demiurge in us is demonic, since "Demonius est Deus inversus" or "The devil is God inverted." However, the powers of the Christ, the Demiurge, within any pure human being or perfected master is angelic, beautiful, and holy. The Gnostic scriptures, being written in Kabbalah and Alchemical principles, often speaks of both in a mixed way, requiring intuition and meditation to comprehend.
Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.
Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.
"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
thank you very much i look forward to studying this matter deeper.
May all beings be happy!
May all beings be happy!
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