Monday, 23 April 2012
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Dear Instructors,
Thank you for your work.
Using my intuition and much research, I chose to apply to a Rosicrucian school that seems to be in Harmony with White Tantra. It is an American Rosicrucian school, which draws from the teachings of a prominent 20th century occultist and "sex magician". My impression was that this school was the most authentic in the country. I admit that I joined the school in the hopes of being steered to the same conclusions as that of Master Samael with regards to the value of genuine Sexual Transmutation. The content of the Lessons, while quite "Westernized", seems to be in harmony with Soul development and Spiritual advancement. About a year into the curriculum, I was offered a chance to purchase a private text. I did... it is a book on sexual/divine alchemy. It has become clear in reading this book that the author a) posits that "coitus interruptus" is a "Crime"; and b) that the sexual act should be performed most lovingly and most completely, including what seems to be mutual orgasm (respectful of the woman's "needs" not just man's own animal desires). This book also warns against casting the seed upon the ground. My impression is that this is an early text in a 20th century curriculum which was hoping to teach men to respect women more fully. However- having listened to many lectures here and reading/listening to a good number of Master Samael's books, I am concerned about my enrollment in this Rosicrucian school. My questions: 1) Can Sexual Transmutation, as taught by the Master Samael Aun Weor, be in any way associated with the term "Coitus Interruptus"? 2) Since complete sex and ejaculation (deep within the Vagina) has seemingly been advocated by a founder of this Rosicrucian school, is it fair to say that, at a minimum, this School is associated with so-called Grey Tantra? 3) Is there any chance that this school will later teach and/or encourage White Tantra in the later lessons and texts even if it is fairly clear by now that Grey Tantra is taught in the earlier stages? and 4) Is it okay to receive methodical Rosicrucian lessons in sequence in order to "re-trace" the footsteps of a Master Teacher like Samael Aun Weor? Should I not be working on myself? And another Specific question: May I feel free to study Agni Yoga (Roerich) and 4th Way (Ouspensky/Gurdjieff) without any contradictions to the Gnostic Teachings? I apologize for the length of the question. I did search the forums for similar ones... but I still wanted to express my concern to this venerable school. Your presence online is refreshing. Thanks again for the Service.

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10 years ago
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#1087
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PS: "Should I not be working on myself?" is in reference to my apparent need to be CONVINCED that White Tantra is the path... I want it proven/verified that Sexual Transmutation without orgasm is The Path. my wish in joining this school was to learn the teachings in a similar way as that of Master Samael did.

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10 years ago
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#1087
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PS: "Should I not be working on myself?" is in reference to my apparent need to be CONVINCED that White Tantra is the path... I want it proven/verified that Sexual Transmutation without orgasm is The Path. my wish in joining this school was to learn the teachings in a similar way as that of Master Samael did.

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10 years ago
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#1089
Rosicrucian Order from the glossary:

A lodge in the internal worlds whose members are all Resurrected Masters. The groups in the physical world who call themselves Rosicrucian have absolutely no affiliation with the True Order. In particular, Samael Aun Weor indicates repeatedly in many books that the school of A.M.O.R.C. (based in California) has nothing to do with the true Order. See The Revolution of Beelzebub by Samael Aun Weor for more information.

"The order of the Logos, the true Rosicross, does not have a visible or tangible organization in the physical world, it does not have a physical temple; this only exists in the superior worlds. The brethren of the Rosicrucian Order who have physical bodies here in this tridimensional world are all of them Resurrected Masters. They are Resurrected Masters who already incarnated the Christ.Those from distinct schools and orders in this physical world who denominate themselves Rosicrucian are false. The true Rosicrucian Order that the Logos has established upon the face of the Earth does not have any visible organization, it does not dictate courses by correspondence, nor does it collect fees, nor does it have juridical personality, nor does it have internal or external statutes. Their members are not even acquainted with each other in this physical world. They might be acquainted with each other in the superior worlds, yet in this physical world they very seldom, very seldom encounter each other." - Samael Aun Weor, The Kabbalah of the Mayan Mysteries

I recommend that you stop all connections with this order. They are contrary to the Gnostic Movements, and thus Samael Aun Weor.
10 years ago
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#1093
"[White Tantra] is a system that transmutes the sexual energy into Ojas (Christic force). The couple must restrain the sexual impulse and avoid the ejaculation of the semen.

“The coitus interruptus,” the restrained sexual impulse, makes the sexual energy of the Third Logos to inwardly and upwardly return throughout the canals of Ida and Pingala." - Samael Aun Weor, The Doomed Aryan Race

"The prophets of Baalim eat at Jezebel’s table (the Baalim are the black magicians).

"The prophets of Baalim who teach how to “mystically” fornicate and how to eat things sacrificed unto idols are all the theorists and spiritualists of the world. Therefore, all their teachings are food sacrificed unto idols.

"The gentleman Parsival Krumm-Heller, sovereign commander of the so-called "Ancient Rosicrucian Order," with headquarters in Germany, is sending courses of black sexual magic to his tenebrous disciples. In his course, he advises the “mystical” seminal ejaculation (orgasm).

"This is how Jezebel seduced my servants. This is how she teaches them to fornicate and how to eat theories sacrificed unto idols.

"This course of negative and tenebrous sexual magic is the same horrible and satanic tantric doctrine preached and taught by all the prophets of Baalim who eat at Jezebel’s table.

"With this repugnant phallic cult, the Kundalini awakens negatively, and gloomily submerges itself into the human’s own atomic infernos, giving the Astral Body the horrible and satanic appearance of the Lucifers." - Samael Aun Weor, Igneous Rose

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

10 years ago
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#1118
Thank you for your responses. And thank you for the references.
Is it POSSIBLE that some schools begin with Black/Grey Magic teachings
and then progress the student to the point of accepting White Tantrism
in the higher degrees?

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2 years ago
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#20782
Thank you for your responses. And thank you for the references.
Is it POSSIBLE that some schools begin with Black/Grey Magic teachings
and then progress the student to the point of accepting White Tantrism
in the higher degrees?


NEVER. You cannot heal someone while killing them. Black/grey tantra kill the soul.

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

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