Tuesday, 24 November 2015
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Do the dark forces have Bodhisattvas, too, who fulfill their interests here on earth?
How can we know whether our guiding star is a heavenly one or a fallen one of dark light?
If we follow our Innermost faithfully, how can we be sure that he is white-minded, not blackened?
Shall we follow him even if his will contradicts the actual law established by society?
… Or could this as well be a temptation in disguise?

I remember having read the advice that we should never expect our Innermost to answer in a specific way, but instead be open and receive his messages in any form they might appear.

Also I have read here many times that sensations are nothing (not reliable), because of their illusory nature.

What if an Innermost prefers to answer our call by means of higher emotions that go along with sensations? If maybe he finds this way he is understood best by his child?

These days I have to take a difficult decision, so I have taken refuge to my Innermost, and this is how he answers …

When I pray to him I become filled with love and observe a vibrant blue (combined with greenish yellow) light circle that constantly changes form. Then I ask: My Innermost, shall I do this, is it your will for me to do this? As an answer, love fills me even more, it feels uplifting, breath is pressed into the lungs with high pressure and it may even happen that my head starts nodding – would this be a trustworthy answer?

It feels like an answer. It feels like “yes”. Likewise, there are other sensations that do feel like “no”.

He does not show up in a visible (picture) or audible (word) way – similar to what many instructors and some students in this forum seem to have experienced as His presence. I follow a daily spiritual practice for some years now, but never have seen Him in an anthropomorphic form. We shall not make any image of God, right? Nevertheless people all the time mention to have seen their Inner Being as a warrior, an impressive figure, a beautiful angel, a great master … whatever.

This irritates me. I wonder if my experience is trustworthy. At least, it is constant. I am always answered in this manner: high emotion = yes, low emotion = no. Be it by the Innermost or Divine Mother, the answer comes as feelings and higher sensations of a kind that otherwise in daily life are unknown. Their presence enter through the heart and then they are felt in the body, mind and soul at once, and sometimes even cause a slight movement. When I call either one aspect of Divinity, they flourish like this from the heart and quite often bring love emissions and joy to the point of ecstasy. In the body, this causes sensations that are difficult to describe, like air filled with Prana pumped into lungs as into a gas balloon, etheric flavoured breath (like vapor), inner organs being energetically massaged, eyeballs turning upwards behind closed eyelids, colored light, head turning right of left … and so on. From time to time I fear they’re going to blow me up by the power of love.

Is this a reliable way of receiving the unseen Divinity and their answers?

Are these emotional sensations just flowers that I have grown in my heart through constant prayer? Or is this really the presence of God?

Or is it Satan who speaks like this? Can we ever be sure who really is the One guiding us? Who are those invisible forces who answer our prayers with Love? There comes into my mind the Gospel of Judas whom Jesus has warned: “Oh Judas, your star has led you astray!”

I have to take a difficult decision. I wonder if I can trust and follow the answers thus received, especially when they contradict the current man-made law of society in which I live. One needs courage to follow faithfully. I would you could lend me some of yours … ;)
6 years ago
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#10732
Accepted Answer
God never falls. However, a falling star is a symbol of a fallen Bodhisattva, since they once were united with the light (Ain Soph).

Physicality (Malkuth) is temporary and illusory. Therefore it should not be used as a measure of certainty. Vitality and sensations (Yesod) are transient and moving, since sensations comes and go, just as in certain times of the day one has more or less energy. Emotional states (Hod) tend to be negative or superfluous, given our egoic conditioning, yet we may learn to train with intuition in order to grasp at certain understandings in the physical plane, but this is not entirely a solid form of certainty.

Having energy and a lightness of heart can signify that pranayama, transmutation, serenity, calmness of mind, etc., are taking effect from our spiritual discipline. This is the first step in order to gain direct knowledge of divinity, but does not signify that one has necessarily received insight or presence of the divine.

This type of intuitive knowledge needs to be developed when the other lower kleishas or veils (Malkuth-Yesod, specifically) so as to perceive within the internal worlds (astral plane and beyond) the nature of a given problem. However, even the best responses are not typically found in the lunar astral world, but in the sixth dimension, as Master Moria explains in The Dayspring of Youth, since Hod and Netzach are filled with illusion as well. However, if you train well in meditation and learn to go out of your body, you can receive higher teachings in Hod or Netzach, but after developing a lot of discrimination and intuition for interpreting those experiences, since these realms also reflect our impurity and conditioning.

We also have to remember that genuine spiritual experiences within the internal worlds will always support or validate events and circumstances occurring within the physical plane. If internal experiences contradict physical facts, we must discard the internal, spiritual experience. Many individuals have fallen into delinquency because they had experiences that contradicted physical facts, driving them to madness, murder, and other crimes, for having over-estimated their experiences and being conditioned by subjective psychological impressions, they perceived physical fact under the light of such conditioning and made terrible mistakes that harmed themselves and unfortunately others.

For knowing how to interpret experiences and to study the laws of nature, read Fundamental Notions of Endocrinology and Criminology by Samael Aun Weor!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

6 years ago
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#10732
Accepted Answer
God never falls. However, a falling star is a symbol of a fallen Bodhisattva, since they once were united with the light (Ain Soph).

Physicality (Malkuth) is temporary and illusory. Therefore it should not be used as a measure of certainty. Vitality and sensations (Yesod) are transient and moving, since sensations comes and go, just as in certain times of the day one has more or less energy. Emotional states (Hod) tend to be negative or superfluous, given our egoic conditioning, yet we may learn to train with intuition in order to grasp at certain understandings in the physical plane, but this is not entirely a solid form of certainty.

Having energy and a lightness of heart can signify that pranayama, transmutation, serenity, calmness of mind, etc., are taking effect from our spiritual discipline. This is the first step in order to gain direct knowledge of divinity, but does not signify that one has necessarily received insight or presence of the divine.

This type of intuitive knowledge needs to be developed when the other lower kleishas or veils (Malkuth-Yesod, specifically) so as to perceive within the internal worlds (astral plane and beyond) the nature of a given problem. However, even the best responses are not typically found in the lunar astral world, but in the sixth dimension, as Master Moria explains in The Dayspring of Youth, since Hod and Netzach are filled with illusion as well. However, if you train well in meditation and learn to go out of your body, you can receive higher teachings in Hod or Netzach, but after developing a lot of discrimination and intuition for interpreting those experiences, since these realms also reflect our impurity and conditioning.

We also have to remember that genuine spiritual experiences within the internal worlds will always support or validate events and circumstances occurring within the physical plane. If internal experiences contradict physical facts, we must discard the internal, spiritual experience. Many individuals have fallen into delinquency because they had experiences that contradicted physical facts, driving them to madness, murder, and other crimes, for having over-estimated their experiences and being conditioned by subjective psychological impressions, they perceived physical fact under the light of such conditioning and made terrible mistakes that harmed themselves and unfortunately others.

For knowing how to interpret experiences and to study the laws of nature, read Fundamental Notions of Endocrinology and Criminology by Samael Aun Weor!

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

6 years ago
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#10745
Your thoughts are very much appreciated! Thank you for helping me discriminate between the different stages of insight versus illusion. Reading your lines I try to reflect on how this corresponds to the way I receive the heartfelt guidance. If one puts how it expresses into the categories you suggest, one should come to the conclusion that higher emotional-sensational states of vital/physical bodies and psyche (like the ones that I feel) are not reliable and cannot give complete certainty. Although they do correspond to actual events in the physical world, even in a surprising way, things show up when needed, and feelings are complemented by intuition. But still all of this is lunar, so no certainty whatsoever to be built on this.

Does this mean that the answers I have been given through the heart have come from the unknown profoundities of the conditioned psyche not the Innermost? No real guidance then?

I feel unhappy now. The decision I mentioned has been taken only a few hours before your reply. I decided to follow the heart, as it felt right and true, although risky. Time was running out. But now I am scared.

If I understand you well, it cannot be possible that some people in this world are guided by their Innermost who belongs to the Black Lodge? I mean, white masters are in the White Lodge. Where does the black lodge recruit their members if every innermost Spirit is white per nature? Does this mean, if someone is guided by a dark force it is not the Innermost? Is the Innermost always on the good side and only the fallen human wallows in the mud? Who constitutes the Black Lodge?

My guidance is of no hostility and does not drive me to doing bad things or to assassinate someone – nothing of this range. (And if it would, I suppose it would be clear that this is not the voice of God.) Quite the contrary, I am inspired to follow love. I find myself doing seemingly unreasonable things that demand courage and confidence in order to not poison those actions with doubt. I don’t know how to explain it. This human world of nations and borders has so many conditions that it seems from time to time one needs to ignore some of them to do a step beyond – even without knowing where it leads to. Fear is waiting on the backseat. Am I doing the right or wrong thing? Will I suffer the consequences? Are man-made laws and barriers just illusory and prevent us from living freely in this world?

Formerly, I have used the intellect for preliminary consideration whether or not an action is reasonable and will be effective, or if it would be rather dangerous and harmful. And then I did it or avoided it. Now it is different. I ask my heart (calling for the Innermost) and it tells me “do” or “do not” without giving any explanations. I am frightened a bit because if someone would ask me: Why are you doing it? i cannot give any rational response but only that my heart is telling me so. People will point to their forehead when hearing this. Funnily, they point to the third eye, not knowing what they point to. Their gesture is right. But what they express is: you’re nuts. I suppose a worldly court would react the same way.

Am I going mad (nuts) or am I going with God (3rd eye)? This is the question. This world becomes terribly unreal sometimes. But still it is there and we are in it, so we have to obey its conditions and social norms and rules and the official law which oftentimes is unjust and unrighteous. Formerly, when I was committed to a rational understanding, I have never felt this fear of going out of my mind. Spirituality, it seems, bears a potential for going insane because it shifts reality completely.

I will read the book when I find time (actually I have read some chapters before, but found them quite extreme – at least for my use, as he is talking a lot about murder and assassination).
6 years ago
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#10746
God, the Innermost, is omniscient and perfect. He never sins, only the soul enters into degeneration.

I mentioned Fundamental Notions of Endocrinology and Criminology as an example of people who followed experiences but did not use discrimination. This happens in severe cases or in minor experiences, whereby we think we know what is going on, but do not have insight. We speak in a general manner to not only help you, but others who read this forum!

In order to resolve your problem, you must meditate and reach an internal state of equanimity and mental silence. Insight come to us when we cease the thinking process and open our consciousness to the knowledge of the new. If you are in conflict, you must examine this conflict in order to comprehend and arrive at the synthesis. This results in intuitive action free of mental dualism: "Should I, or shouldn't I do this?"

If you've acted already, continue to meditate. Identify what in you drives you to act. Comprehension produces peace of mind and will allow you to have acceptance and understanding about how to live your life, whereas an undisciplined mind results in chaos, suffering, indecision, pain, fear, speculation, etc.

Creative comprehension is knowing what to do and what constitutes right action. Comprehension is the lightning strike of insight that the thunder of the mind follows. Again, comprehension arrives to us when we learn to silence and discipline our mind and through profound meditation, as Samael Aun Weor taught throughout his books.

Joyful in hope, suffering in tribulation, be thou constant in thy prayer.

Benedictis, qui venit in nomine Domini. Osanna in excelsis.

"Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"

6 years ago
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#10748
Thank you very much again. I will do what you say. It seems you hit the mark in regards to the undisciplined mind. This is really what troubles me most and the outcome is exactly how you say: chaos, suffering, indecision, pain, fear, speculation. In other moments there is a clear knowing, too, accompanied by peacecul happiness and serenity. But when the mind comes into play, the battle starts. Unfortunately, this battle seems to prevent me from entering into deep meditation and every time I try only frustrates me more. I am so tired from it and of it already. There are times it seems more desirable to die than to continue this inner battle. But then I know it is the ego who wants to die, it is not me, I’m just identified.

May I ask, just for clarification, who constitutes the Black Lodge? Are those dark forces organized in there Spirits that oppose or work against God? Or are they Souls in degeneration? Are they the shadow of God?
6 years ago
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#10751
Anyone with ego is part of the black lodge, since this lodge is constituted by beings who have desire, ego, in varying degrees.

Our affiliation with the black lodge is in direct accord with how much ego we have. The less ego, the less we have to do with the black lodge. If we have no ego, then we are completely liberated and emancipated from this organization.

The spirit is the Innermost, divine. God has nothing to do with the black lodge, although the soul may be fallen into degeneration, sin, and egotistical tendencies.

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#10752
If this was true, the Black Lodge would be gigantic in comparision to the White Lodge. But then it is no lodge, it is just the masses. Almost everyone is conditioned by ego: all of us in this forum and instructors included, as I remember having read on this website that even masters and angels are not completely free of it.

The White Lodge uses the black lodge to fulfill the law, often times to punish humanity for its degeneration.


It seems the term is being used in different ways. A Black Lodge, as I understand it, would mean an organization of beings that have the purpose to work with magic techniques and knowledge of the mysteries, albeit with darkened and egotistical intentions. Someone who is awakened in evil is different from the ignorant masses. My question was referring to those negatively awakened black masters who meet and work in/with this organization also called Dark Fraternity or Fraternity of Crime.

Is this a complete misconception? Do you want to express that the Innermost of a black magician is divine, too, and it is only his soul who has set up for black intentions?
6 years ago
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#10755
If this was true, the Black Lodge would be gigantic in comparision to the White Lodge.
Not necessarily, as evidenced by:

http://www.hdwallpapers.in/walls/galaxy_universe-normal.jpg

There are awakened black magicians, and there are unconscious black magicians. Whether one is awakened or not, one still has desire, ego, sin, defects, which constitute the black lodge.

Not everyone is awakened in evil, but we are still 97% ego, and ego, desire, belongs to hell, the black lodge.

The Innermost never falls, even if the soul or Bodhisattva enters into hell.

Study: Esoteric Treatise of Theurgy in The Divine Science!

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#10756
Thank you.

This is a different way of understanding what "black lodge" means. It is thus formed by the masses of ego-driven people. Black lodge is hell. It is not an organization like I thought, like the White Lodge seems to be organized with their own temple in the internal worlds and have their leader and council of elders. There is no organization called "Black Lodge" in the internal worlds with their temple, is there? I ask because I have heard and read that there is, and that there are black lodges in the physical world, too (which do exclude the masses).

Is the chapter you recommended available online? Under the link you gave I cannot find it.
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