Thursday, 08 October 2015
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If someone completes the spiritual path, that person fully merges with the Being. If a fall occurs (after one has completed the work), would it be considered something that happened because it was the will of the Being, perhaps in order to rise up again at some point and gain a higher degree of conscious objective reasoning (of the six degrees)? Since the Bodhisattva and Being are fully merged, the decision would be mutual because no distinction between the two would exist.

Or is it the case that the Bodhisattva falls of its own accord, without it necessarily being approved of by the Being?
6 years ago
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#10414
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Let us distinguish between an esoteric downfall and a descent. Evidently, these rebel angels did not descend, they fell, and this is the difference.


A downfall is against the will of the Being.

A descent is in accordance with the will of the Being.

I believe the confusion here is the interpretation of "completing the spiritual path." There is no such thing.

A relatively long time ago, while being in profound meditation, I was a witness to something unusual.

Indeed, I saw with mystical astonishment two adepts who, after having achieved a complete identification with Paranirvana, attained the final liberation.

These brethren, attired with their tunics of white linen and their heads covering with a mantle of immaculate whiteness that reached until their feet, entered within the Abstract Absolute Space.

Frankly, since I still have not lost my capacity for astonishment, I felt myself amazed, bewildered. Thus, with wonderment, I accompanied them until the Ring Pass Not (the gate of the universe)...

I saw them penetrate into the Uncreated Light of the Absolute filled with infinite humbleness and veneration.

They passed far beyond the Gods and humans. They became Paramarthasatyas. Nevertheless, they submerged themselves within “That” as simple apprentices...

This is because successive mystical exaltations also exist within the Absolute, which are far beyond any comprehension for us. - Cosmic Teachings of a Lama

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#10414
Accepted Answer
Let us distinguish between an esoteric downfall and a descent. Evidently, these rebel angels did not descend, they fell, and this is the difference.


A downfall is against the will of the Being.

A descent is in accordance with the will of the Being.

I believe the confusion here is the interpretation of "completing the spiritual path." There is no such thing.

A relatively long time ago, while being in profound meditation, I was a witness to something unusual.

Indeed, I saw with mystical astonishment two adepts who, after having achieved a complete identification with Paranirvana, attained the final liberation.

These brethren, attired with their tunics of white linen and their heads covering with a mantle of immaculate whiteness that reached until their feet, entered within the Abstract Absolute Space.

Frankly, since I still have not lost my capacity for astonishment, I felt myself amazed, bewildered. Thus, with wonderment, I accompanied them until the Ring Pass Not (the gate of the universe)...

I saw them penetrate into the Uncreated Light of the Absolute filled with infinite humbleness and veneration.

They passed far beyond the Gods and humans. They became Paramarthasatyas. Nevertheless, they submerged themselves within “That” as simple apprentices...

This is because successive mystical exaltations also exist within the Absolute, which are far beyond any comprehension for us. - Cosmic Teachings of a Lama

"Do not worry; cultivate the habit of being happy." - Samael Aun Weor

6 years ago
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#10418
The journey to God is short. The journey in God is infinite. -Abdul Karim Jili, Commentary to Ibn 'Arabi's Journey to the Lord of Power

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#10421
What's the difference between a downfall and a descent? Don't they both result in the Being separating itself from its Bodhisattva and the latter being sent back onto the wheel of Samsara?
6 years ago
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#10428

For thirty years I sought God. But when I looked carefully I found that in reality God was the seeker and I the sought. -Bayazid al-Bastami

6 years ago
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#10432
Very interesting. However, there seems to be a contradiction here.

Matthew Thomas wrote: "A descent is in accordance with the will of the Being."

In that lecture, Master Samael mentioned that those who descend "take a spouse when it is not permitted to them." That seems to be something which the Being would not do (since it knows the rules and does not break them), so it can be said that falling and descending would both be things that the Bodhisattva would do against the will of the Being.

Also, there seems to be no mention of what the actual difference is other than a descent not involving orgasm. I know that the fallen Bodhisattva's egos revive and that person becomes chained again to the wheel of Samsara. However, does the same thing happen to the descended Bodhisattva?

If descending is the less painful method of making the philosopher's stone stronger, why would anyone choose to fall and go through such immense suffering?
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